I was torn between the Hugs and the Insightful options, just wish I could have rated you both of them :). As someone who HAS made a point of reading the entire story MULTIPLE times, I can say you've done a difficult task to perfection. Personally I wouldn't take his comment to heart, as he's basically told us he's not got any interest in actually knowing anything about the story. Which is his loss.
 
As a survivor of sexual abuse I can say...

... well. I wasn't okay with it. Not gonna lie, I skimmed a bit here and there.

But I understand what you were trying to do, and I don't feel it was inappropriate, unjustified, or insufficiently grounded in both source material and established context within this work.

You approached this... well, not from a tactful direction, because let's be fucking honest, you can't be tactful about rape unless you're dancing around it and being generally un-fucking-productive.

But I think you did this the best way you could have for what you're making.
 
the last chapter i feel captures the feelings and concepts that were present in never cry never life and sets up a trauma that could reasonably become a motivation for the twins to grow as characters. you stayed true to the fact that rape is something ugly and as a someone who almost was a victim of gang rape this chapter shows the horror and fear felt it such situations. don't let the words of people who didn't understand the importance of that chapter impact your writing.
 
I was expecting something good given that alert system said Ensou-sama has posted 800-ish words, but what I got was something unwanted. I just woke up after having to watch Room last night, and it's too early for this shit. Because really, what the actual fuck?! /rant

I'm a man. Nothing of the sort has happened to me or my immediate friends and family. I can only empathize, not because of psychology, but because I'm human. Ensou already warned us from the get go that this is a Worm/KnK fic, and that those savvy or well read already knew that rape and sexual abuse was a possibility. Ensou delivered on that, and made sure that the topic, despite being uncomfortable and painful to read, was given the proper respect it deserved. Rape was not overly focused, overly sexualized, and rape was not done for rape's sake.

Forget about the idiot about complaining on things he doesn't know, he can't be assed to learn more, and can't care about. Let's just move on with our lives and enjoy the quality entertainment that Ensou provides for free.
 
as a woman (and yes that's sexist but that's sort of how it fucking works with rape),

This generally offends me because males do get raped as well, regardless what the public conscience might think and if the rapist is a woman well.... yeah people find out and it's ether "oh, your such a pussy you deserved to be raped" or "well, obviously you enjoyed it and it was just aggressive sex for you." Just because majority of rape victims are female doesn't mean men don't get fucking raped. As someone who dealt with male rape it really angers me reading that. At least you acknowledge it's sexist which helps a little to alleviate that anger.

*sigh* sorry for snapping at you but it's one of my hot buttons and you hit it pretty well.

Don't get me started on abuse :mad:
 
> TFW guy comes in and calls scene "rape for rape's sake" after entire thread bandwagons on comments about scene being well-written and a reasonable contribution to the story
 
...well things are getting pretty tense around here.

...um...how's the chapter coming along ensou?
Haha, well enough.

Been reacquainting myself with Miss Militia's inner dialogue from her interlude to try and get her thought process right. I already have the scenes sketched out for the chapter, the details and content just needs to be filled in. I want to make sure both her and Dauntless are done right. ...though we don't really see much of Dauntless' character in canon.

It'll probably be a week or so. I've been working on the next chapter of Transposition, mostly, since it's been two months since an update for that story.
 
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Well, I can't really say anything about the scene that hasn't been said already and I read it on FF.net anyway but that guy was definitely trolling.

-shrugs-

That was bound to happen anyway since the scene would be a trigger for some people who read it. But moving on.

Dauntless' character in canon.

I always see him characterize as a generic good guy who is kinda lazy, hesitant when it comes to social interaction, and used to be a cop before he triggered type of thing. Don't think that would be what his canon is like but that's pretty much the fanon of him. He's apparently the dude that just sits in the background and happens to have an awesome power.

And in Nasuverse, bad things happens. Does it need a reason? Sometimes, there's no reason. It's just bad luck, or being in the wrong place in the wrong time.

Or saying you wont participate in a stupid war and getting your head cut off when your honorable servant of knighthood has a temper tantrum because of it.
 
...Fucking what? I... No. Just, no.

I originally wasn't going to respond to your comment. But it was this. This statement that really got to me.
I had a couple of accusations like that for Miracle of Zero, too. Despite being a Nasuverse cross, despite warning everyone that MoZ was basically the Heaven's Feel route to the original LN's Fate route of Familiar of Zero, despite warning everyone, "Things will get dark, and not all mysteries will be solved immediately," I still got a few accusations of using rape lightly.

I don't think I did. The purpose was not only to give Mott the characterization of a particularly unrepentant slave owner, but also to remind everyone, "Halkeginia is not all sunshine and rainbows." What do you get with an aristocracy that can basically do whatever it likes? Of course, you'll get a few guys who think their shit doesn't smell and commoners are property to be used as they please.

For that matter, not everything is hinted at several chapters in advance. Some things do, actually, come out of nowhere, especially in a story written from one character's perspective.
And in Nasuverse, bad things happens. Does it need a reason? Sometimes, there's no reason. It's just bad luck, or being in the wrong place in the wrong time.
This. So much this. It's not just KnK, with Fujino. Anyone familiar with FSN, particularly the VN, should be well aware of what Sakura has suffered through, and anyone who has watched the recent UBW anime should also be well aware that Shinji got extremely close to raping Rin. And Kotomine condoned it, would have gotten pleasure from watching it (because watching people suffer is his fix).

For all that the heroes can sometimes edge closer to Shounen archetypes than I'd like, people should never forget: Nasuverse is a crapsack world. Forget that humans are low on the totem pole, forget that basically everything else in the world is perfectly happy with killing off every single person, forget that nigh-unkillable monstrosities will show up to destroy them if mankind outlives their home planet, magi themselves are crooked and amoral jerks who can get away with anything so long as it doesn't reveal the secret of magic, and frequently do.

And anyone who does not understand that has no place to complain in any kind of Nasuverse crossover if things veer into the darkest places people can go.
 
I must be dense because it seemed to me that it was more assault rather than rape, even looking at the FFN version (which as far as I can tell the only difference was pants removal), the closest it got was when a hand was shoved down her pants (which could be rape, I don't know what does and doesn't count, but I thought it required some kind of penetration) then it was flambé gang members.

Could Taylor kill their trauma? If she understood the conceptual side of her power better.
 
As someone that has no clue wtf "Matou Sakura and Asagami Fujino way"

Unlike most of the responses you have thus far received, I think that I shall offer a bit of advice.

Take this lesson to heart, and when you don't understand what a warning might mean, ask for clarification or search the internet. I feel that your post was poorly thought out, but you have my understanding of, if not sympathy for, your post. I have blundered into things for which I was unprepared before, but I find that the appropriate response is to turn around and quietly leave, when the warning was issued and I missed (or misunderstood) it.

Don't make this mistake again, and consider this a good lesson in the merits of understanding the signage, before you run into something one the road or in a lab. At least here the worst that you got were some pointed criticism.
 
I must be dense because it seemed to me that it was more assault rather than rape, even looking at the FFN version (which as far as I can tell the only difference was pants removal), the closest it got was when a hand was shoved down her pants (which could be rape, I don't know what does and doesn't count, but I thought it required some kind of penetration) then it was flambé gang members.
There was penetration though. In the FFN version that is.
 
Could Taylor kill their trauma? If she understood the conceptual side of her power better.

I keep seeing this, and I still don't believe that it's healthy for her to do that. I mean, sure she could possibly destroy the trauma, but in the end it's still something that the girls have to come to terms with and overcome if they ever want to move past this. And from a literary standpoint, it's not only good for the character development aspect of things, but it also gives Taylor a chance to grow closer to the two, and it gives Saya and Aya much needed screen time(which was the biggest complaint that I've seen from others that didn't cause negative feelings in the thread).

So yeah. I for one hope that they don't rely on the stabby fix-all ability and instead work through this with all the difficulty that comes from situations like these. Especially since I know that they'll both end up stronger for it, and that Taylor is gonna be there to help them every step of the way.
 
Because it's a good thing character development wise? Or a guess from their seen personalities and such so far?

A little bit of both honestly. They both seem fairly strong-willed, and while their dependence on Taylor may increase, - thanks again for that, QA - I think that they're strong enough to move forward from this. It'll be hard, no doubt, but that's what friends and family are for. And therapy.

And honestly, they still have each other if all else fails. I don't know, maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic about this, but I want to believe that they can recover from this whole situation.
 
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Penetration was covered in the FFN version, but seeing as it was a single line before Trigger Event (and shortly after torched gang members) I can understand why you missed it.
Hmm, I must have then, because what I can remember of the FFN version was groping, pants removal, weight pushing her down and being poked, then boomtime. Eh, oh well.

I keep seeing this, and I still don't believe that it's healthy for her to do that. I mean, sure she could possibly destroy the trauma, but in the end it's still something that the girls have to come to terms with and overcome if they ever want to move past this. And from a literary standpoint, it's not only good for the character development aspect of things, but it also gives Taylor a chance to grow closer to the two, and it gives Saya and Aya much needed screen time(which was the biggest complaint that I've seen from others that didn't cause negative feelings in the thread).

So yeah. I for one hope that they don't rely on the stabby fix-all ability and instead work through this with all the difficulty that comes from situations like these. Especially since I know that they'll both end up stronger for it, and that Taylor is gonna be there to help them every step of the way.
Putting yourself in their shoes though, if you knew your friend could kill that sort of pain would you deny asking for it? You might put it off for a little bit, but between recurring nightmares and the like, would you change your view. It think a lot of people would ask for it to be done.
 
Putting yourself in their shoes though, if you knew your friend could kill that sort of pain would you deny asking for it? You might put it off for a little bit, but between recurring nightmares and the like, would you change your view. It think a lot of people would ask for it to be done.

Well that's the thing. I've never experienced a situation like this personally, so I can say that I'd definitely rather not go through something like this. But I don't know how I'd react if - god forbid - I ever end up in a situation like this.

And really, it ultimately comes down to whether Taylor not only discovers that she theoretically can cut the memories of their trauma, but if she can trust herself to cut just those memories. A human psyche is a fickle thing, so I wouldn't want her to risk completely destroying the twins sense of self in an attempt to help them. And I would be terrified if they would rather risk complete destruction of their personalities to get rid of their memories.

...bleh, it's all complicated and I really don't want to offend anybody and I kinda feel like I'm rambling so...sorry?
 
And honestly, they still have each other if all else fails. I don't know, maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic about this, but I want to believe that they can recover from this whole situation.

Speaking as someone who has to study the human mind in all of its horror, glory, depravity, innocence, fragility, and resilience, a good ending is always possible. It might take an inordinate amount of time and herculean effort, but people who had the worst forced upon them can climb back up and become greater.

Hmm, I must have then, because what I can remember of the FFN version was groping, pants removal, weight pushing her down and being poked, then boomtime. Eh, oh well.

Putting yourself in their shoes though, if you knew your friend could kill that sort of pain would you deny asking for it? You might put it off for a little bit, but between recurring nightmares and the like, would you change your view. It think a lot of people would ask for it to be done.

Probably late, but it was one specific line that was easy enough to miss, just before boom.

And personally, I won't ask for the mind wipe. Mainly because I'm a stubborn little shit, my personal philosophy discourages that, learned enough on how to cope, humble enough to ask for help when necessary.
 
I'm the Eclipse Phase type. Forget killing trauma, dramatic psychoaugmentation is very much in the cards.

With regards to rape in fiction...

....Mm. There's two sides to this, and they both stem from the same thing: there's really two horrible things left in the modern world that people are reasonably personally acquainted with, and that is rape and torture.

Nobody knows someone who's been murdered anymore, and even before that was true violence was just... we've built up such a culture around it from our millenia of militant societies that beating someone up or killing someone outright isn't such a big deal. We don't get people sacking villages, in civilized countries (not necessarily counting America, mind you...) even a homeless person can get enough food and water to not starve to death...

... Like, if you want to show that someone is really, truly cruel, your options are the slow torture kind of killer, or the serial rapist. And ... well, there are some very clear reasons why a (usually male) writer would feel okay with writing rape, but not torture. >.>

And that pretty much necessarily means it's overused. Sometimes you just don't need someone that viscerally cruel; if it's poorly executed, aside from feeling disrespectful it's also just tacky. Someone who goes around killing people won't have the same tone, it's true - but do you really need that tone?

... Not to call you out in particular @James D. Fawkes, since I haven't actually read your fic, but I kinda doubt Halkeginia needs it? Death is plenty bad enough when played up in the right ways. The problem comes up with a KnK cross, though, because... um, hello, Mystic Eyes. The audience gets used to "death" being a callsign for "the character is about to do something awesome," not "the character is about to do something horrible." You can try to explore death being itself horrible but then you come off with your character feeling like a dark antihero at best (though even there Nasu managed to pull off something pretty impressive, with Ryougi "You can only murder one person" Shiki).

Honestly, I'm withholding judgement for now - though as a final note, I will note that rapists are, unfortunately, rather more common than torturers, in large part because of rape culture and the general problem that mental harm is so much less visible and so much easier to ignore than the physical. It would be much easier to find a rapist in the ABB than to find a torturer. At any rate, the scene itself was done respectfully (i.e. not played for eroticism) and well, so I don't necessarily have a problem with it - but we'll see if it was necessary in the long run.
 
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