As i recall it, inanimate objects cut via Death Perception lines simply disintegrate, so if she cut foam it would just fall apart and sublimate away.

The big question though is how much of the foam goes poof per 'kill.' You ever read any of the Dresden Files books? In them, one of Harry Dresden's favorite ways of mystical eaves dropping was to use sympathetic magic on a can of silly string. Put silly string on an object, like one of the carts hotels use to move stuff when you order room service, and spray some in his own ear, and the magic lets him hear what the string in the room 'hears' regardless of distance, but the magic only works because the foam all came from the same can.

So when Taylor kills some containment foam that has been sprayed at her, would she kill just that chunk of foam, or would she also kill the unused foam still in the sprayer because the spray and the reserves are conceptually one thing? And if she can kill the unspent reserves, how far back does the conceptual chain go? The regional level, letting her destroy BB's entire stock of foam with one swing? The industrial level, letting her kill entire production runs by the simple expedient that the whole batch was conceptually one object when first mixed up?

Because, if I'm understanding the BS that is the MEoDP correctly, by internalizing the concept that 'Words can Die,' Taylor can, in theory, murder languages with a knife swipe. Which means, in theory, that Taylor can similarly internalize that containment foam can die, and kill the entire concept of the stuff by stabbing a small sample. And we all know that accidently murdering the PRT's primary method of non-lethal take downs is the sort of thing Taylor would do.
 
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Never in my life did I imagine that this would be a relevant image.
Never in my life did I imagine it would be relevant either.

The big question though is how much of the foam goes poof per 'kill.' You ever read any of the Dresden Files books? In them, one of Harry Dresden's favorite ways of mystical eaves dropping was to use sympathetic magic on a can of silly string. Put silly string on an object, like one of the carts hotels use to move stuff when you order room service, and spray some in his own ear, and the magic lets him hear what the string in the room 'hears' regardless of distance, but the magic only works because the foam all came from the same can.

So when Taylor kills some containment foam that has been sprayed at her, would she kill just that chunk of foam, or would she also kill the unused foam still in the sprayer because the spray and the reserves are conceptually one thing? And if she can kill the unspent reserves, how far back does the conceptual chain go? The regional level, letting her destroy BB's entire stock of foam with one swing? The industrial level, letting her kill entire production runs by the simple expedient that the whole batch was conceptually one object when first mixed up?

Because, if I'm understanding the BS that is the MEoDP correctly, by internalizing the concept that 'Words can Die,' Taylor can, in theory, murder languages with a knife swipe. Which means, in theory, that Taylor can similarly internalize that containment foam can die, and kill the entire concept of the stuff by stabbing a small sample. And we all know that accidentally murdering the PRT's primary method of non-lethal take downs is the sort of thing Taylor would do.
If the foam she cuts is a single continuous mass, I imagine it would destroy all of it. The silly string example works because the string breaks up into lots of parts.
 
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Fundamentally, as usual, it's a matter of perception. (There was a different KnK/Worm cross by that name, in fact...)

Human instincts are going to bias you towards looking at a clump of foam as, well, a clump of foam. If Taylor takes the time to look closer at it, and tries to shift viewpoints (think the vase/faces illusions) so that she's looking at a part of a whole, she might be able to get the whole can or the whole batch - though honestly, she'd probably have an easier time targeting "everything in this building" or "the foam holding down my team", since the limiting factor isn't "the sympathy of the target" but rather "the apparent cohesion of the target."

Which reminds me, I was actually wrong before - the MEoDP are specifically called out as being able to kill hive entities of the sort that send you little disposable bits at a time, leaving the main body safe, in one easy-to-see stroke. So killing Scion is mostly going to be a matter of getting into arm's length.

(In fact, if we're talking pure "magitech geekery," you could probably do it by having Taylor meditate on the Void for a month while standing next to a parahuman (or on her own shard), and then killing all the Shards at once by killing the original Entity as a whole. She'd only have to be standing next to a parahuman in that case. But that would be boring, so it won't happen.)
 
The big question though is how much of the foam goes poof per 'kill.' You ever read any of the Dresden Files books? In them, one of Harry Dresden's favorite ways of mystical eaves dropping was to use sympathetic magic on a can of silly string. Put silly string on an object, like one of the carts hotels use to move stuff when you order room service, and spray some in his own ear, and the magic lets him hear what the string in the room 'hears' regardless of distance, but the magic only works because the foam all came from the same can.

So when Taylor kills some containment foam that has been sprayed at her, would she kill just that chunk of foam, or would she also kill the unused foam still in the sprayer because the spray and the reserves are conceptually one thing? And if she can kill the unspent reserves, how far back does the conceptual chain go? The regional level, letting her destroy BB's entire stock of foam with one swing? The industrial level, letting her kill entire production runs by the simple expedient that the whole batch was conceptually one object when first mixed up?

Because, if I'm understanding the BS that is the MEoDP correctly, by internalizing the concept that 'Words can Die,' Taylor can, in theory, murder languages with a knife swipe. Which means, in theory, that Taylor can similarly internalize that containment foam can die, and kill the entire concept of the stuff by stabbing a small sample. And we all know that accidently murdering the PRT's primary method of non-lethal take downs is the sort of thing Taylor would do.
To be fair, i was trying to simplify when i said 'concept', but thats not quite right.

Assuming Ryougi's version of the ability (which is the more powerful one) she can kill anything that A) is connected to the Root (which is basically everything below a certain class of lovecraftian scale cosmic entities). B) Will ever end in any sense of the term, if it will die, disintegrate, be forgotten, and/or fail or any variation on these she can bring that about immediately. C) has a shape and nature she can understand as being able to 'end.

For example, there is no mechanical reason she cant 'kill' a dead tree, but Ryougi generally considers that to be dead already and so she cant see the lines like she can on a living tree. By a similar filter, she cant kill all trees by stabbing one tree, because shed need to have a particular object that is both literally connected to the Root of all trees, and that she can comprehend as being all trees at once, and as something she can kill. (No, this does not extend to zombies, which are ambulatory and understood as being 'alive' in a sense, just not the technical one, so she can still kill those. Along with ghosts, spirits and the like)

Furthermore, as i implied above, this ability depends on her ability to see the lines. But the more abstract a concept is, or the more perfect the existence of her target, the harder the lines are to see. For example she fights a McEvil Wizard at one point who 'stopped' his existence, whos Origin was Stillness and who had a magical juju thing that should have made him basically immortal. She did manage to shank his ass eventually though by finding the line between him and the Root and severing that, but not before he wiped the floor with her extensively. She also took a very long time to learn to 'see' another character's space-warping 'twist' ability because it was basically shapeless, and couldnt cut a third character's precognition ability until she understood how it worked (which is to say, he was imagining a future he wanted, and acting to being it about, meaning there was something for her to cut... the future he desired.)

In more simple terms, she kills specific instances of concepts, not the big idea concepts that they are based on, because those sorts of things generally dont come in a easily comprehensible form that can die.

That said all the above limitations only apply to normal Ryougi Shiki/SHIKI, and not ⸢ ⸥ which thinks all those limitations are adorable and is capable of much greater degrees of comprehension than any mere human.

A contrasting example is Touko Shiki, who being a different person has different ideas about death and the functioning of his eyes, so his powers work slightly differently. This is aside from the fact that he didnt get Gaia as a external processor the way Ryougi did and so is way weaker in general.

Here is a good example of the power in action against a tricky opponent;
 
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Fundamentally, as usual, it's a matter of perception. (There was a different KnK/Worm cross by that name, in fact...)
HAHAHA NO THERE WASN'T WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT

But in regard to your actual point and not hiding my shame, I seem to recall some discussion about Ryougi, god knows where, to do with the fact that the mileage she got out of her eyes was partly due to a borked way of looking at the world (the first person to say distorted will be shot, unless it's Fuji). That is, she for some reason thought of things that work as being 'alive,' and of broken things as being 'dead.' To that end, it was easy for her to make the leap of being able to kill things, with the extra kickstarter of being forced to fight a zombie.

So a person who sees the world in a different (read: normal) way would likely have gotten far less use out of them, though admittedly, that would make for a rather more boring story.
 
It's all up to what Taylor chooses to cut. Considering the fact that Shiki cut the rotten aspect of a fish to make it edible/able to be prepared. The only limit the eyes have is your imagination. I think Word of God says that void shiki is literally capable of remaking reality if she wanted to.

Epilogue pretty much says that.

Shes really only limited by comprehension. And if she has Ryougi's version of the Eyes (rather than Tohno's) then shes able to comprehend anything with enough time to look at it.

Up to and including the entire freaking planet.

Physics waives the white flag since they don't want to die.
 
Containment foam's not alive enough to kill, though! And even though she could probably 'kill' it anyways somehow, I'm not sure what it would accomplish that cutting it wouldn't. It's just containment foam. What's dead containment foam gonna do? Not harden, I guess? Not useless, but... ehhh.

It's not an invalid question, though. How does she handle liquids and particulates? We've only really seen her cut coherent 'things' (non-physical things included).
It doesn't need to be alive. It just has to have an end somewhere. So she totally could kill containment foam.
 
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A) is connected to the Root (which is basically everything below a certain class of lovecraftian scale cosmic entities)
Everything is connected to the Root. The reason why MEoDP don't work on ORT and the like is because those lack a Gaian concept of death, and all the MEoDP bearers we've seen are of Gaia. In other words, it's a comprehension problem.
 
Everything is connected to the Root. The reason why MEoDP don't work on ORT and the like is because those lack a Gaian concept of death, and all the MEoDP bearers we've seen are of Gaia. In other words, it's a comprehension problem.
And even then it's probably only a matter of time before Ryougi can kill ORT and it's like since the black barrel and slash emperor can kill them.
 
HAHAHA NO THERE WASN'T WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT
Dude. I remember this. I came up with the idea, you wrote the story months later, then you abandoned it and I took over for you.

Then I ran it into the ground because my understanding of Worm canon was garbage and I was an immature shit.

Let it go. :p
 
Then I ran it into the ground because my understanding of Worm canon was garbage and I was an immature shit.
Has this changed since then? :p
I kid, I kid. You're actually quite admirable for having such a long-runner as One Foot, Ars, and I'm really impressed by your dedication to daily updates (now monthly or so, due to life kicking you in the privates, but eh).
 
I'm sure parian can be relied to come up with a suitable costume.

Piggot to assorrted Heros " Taylor herbert is the identical twin of the new leader of the ABB and attends arcardia she is not the leader of thr Abb or a Villian.
Dennis "an Identical Twin with exactly the same name?"
Piggot " I am not repeating myself the Herberts are a family with little imagination we are not arrestting Taylor herbert under any circumstances.
Taylor just has to deal with Victoria capturing her most days and the Prt letting her go with an apolgy and giving her a lift to her afterschool "job"

As a pragmatic crime boss beats an S class threat or an insane bombmaker much like the yakuza exsist in Japan by not bringing chaos to the streets.
 
As a pragmatic crime boss beats an S class threat or an insane bombmaker much like the yakuza exsist in Japan by not bringing chaos to the streets.

And on that note, may I suggest a name change for the Gang, to show their intention to distance themselves from their former leaders and practices? Besides, Asian Bad Boyz... is pretty much the stupidest name possible, particularly for a gang run by a teenage white girl with Heroic leanings.

"The Yakuza" actually sounds pretty appropriate, and clearly states the role they intend to play.
 
And on that note, may I suggest a name change for the Gang, to show their intention to distance themselves from their former leaders and practices? Besides, Asian Bad Boyz... is pretty much the stupidest name possible, particularly for a gang run by a teenage white girl with Heroic leanings.

"The Yakuza" actually sounds pretty appropriate, and clearly states the role they intend to play.
The new name should obviously be the PGG.
The Panethnic Good Guys.
 
A contrasting example is Touko Shiki, who being a different person has different ideas about death and the functioning of his eyes, so his powers work slightly differently. This is aside from the fact that he didnt get Gaia as a external processor the way Ryougi did and so is way weaker in general.
Did you mean Tohno(Nanaya by birth) Shiki?

Here is a good example of the power in action against a tricky opponent;
Ah yes, the healing shiv.

EDIT: Nasu hates purple hair, doesn't he...
 
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And even then it's probably only a matter of time before Ryougi can kill ORT and it's like since the black barrel and slash emperor can kill them.
Those do two different things. Black Barrel works by imposing the Gaian concept of death onto whatever it hits, which would make it vulnerable to the eyes. Slash Emperor works by going "Fuck Everything in front of my swing", destroying all that it hits, which would likely kill everything eventually.
 
Those do two different things. Black Barrel works by imposing the Gaian concept of death onto whatever it hits, which would make it vulnerable to the eyes. Slash Emperor works by going "Fuck Everything in front of my swing", destroying all that it hits, which would likely kill everything eventually.
Source for Black Barrel imposing a concept of death?
Angel Notes dictionary said:
ブラックバレル [Longinus]
Black Barrel

A black rifle that the Gun God uses. Created by a mineral that counters all Gin, it's a weapon that is feared by life forms that carry any slight amount of Gin.
But because all living beings that exists in the world are affected by Gin, it is impossible for them use or even touch it.
The God killer gun. If the target creature is stronger… in other words, the more Gin it carries, the more powerful the bullet becomes.
…Today, only the rare species that weren't able to evolve and doesn't carry any Gins can touch this gun.

ジン [grain "Ether"]
Gin

Space dust. Name given to all the harmful and unpredictable particles generated from the planet that lost its function. Although it is harmful to humans, sometimes it gives an unique effect to their body, and some call it Ether. The Hundred A-rays, Human Species, Knights, are all new species created by this Gin. The energy transfer rate of the Gin scattered in atmosphere is incredible, and it resulted in a new level of warfare that was never possible on this planet.
With A-rays who can take in Gin into their body and Demonic Swords crystallized by Gin, all the weapons of the old age became useless.
fallacies said:
Black Barrel
Holder: Unknown (One of the Atlas Academy's Seven Sins)
A weapon comprised of the 5th True Youso (要素, lit. "factor / constituent," as contrasted to Genso / 元素, or "element"), which imposes destruction upon the 5th Imaginary Youso. The God-Killing Gun (Longinus).
Bypasses the capabilities of those entities that persist by the activity of the 5th Imaginary Youso to impose injury, to the extent that such entities cannot come into physical contact with the weapon without coming to harm; the greater the extent to which a target is comprised of the 5th Imaginary Youso, the greater the lethality of the weapon. The 5th True Youso is as a cancer to existences founded in the 5th Imaginary Youso.
In『Notes.』, Godo's excavations at the Sealed Territory of Atlasia uncovered the Original and the Replica, but he came to favor the use of the Original.

Black Barrel・Barrel Replica

Holder: Sion Eltnam Atlasia
A replica of the Black Barrel; a Conceptual Equipment / Armament of 『lifespan』. Acts to impose a "toxin" upon a target in proportion to the target's natural lifespan.

For reference, the list of Elements (元素, Genso), from here:

1st-4th Elements: Fire, Water, Earth, Wind
5th Element: Ether
Unnumbered Imaginary Elements: Hollow (that which is theoretically possible, but does not exist within the material realm), Void (that which is theoretically impossible, but exists within the material realm)

The list of Youso (要素), from here:

1st Youso: Material
2nd Youso: Spirit
3rd Youso: Psyche
4th Youso: ???
5th Imaginary Youso: Ether (Jin)
5th True Youso: ??? (True Ether?)
6th Imaginary Youso: Demons / Curses (Wishes)

The Youso appear to be the layers that comprise reality, while the Genso are the components that comprise things within reality. The Wikia article on Elements is terribly translated, to the extent that I can't be bothered to correct it. For that matter, so are the articles on Demons and Divine Spirits.
 
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It seems one issue was not answered in that part. Was Taylor wearing a mask back there?
Nope. No mask.

Don't worry, Lisa'll talk some sense into Taylor before she does anything stupid like outing herself to the whole PRT (or giving Coil any information to use to his benefit).

If you want to, you can think of the ABB meeting sans-mask having been engineered in part by Tattletale, so that the members would be more open and accepting of Taylor. Full masks (like Lung and Oni Lee's) are bad for human relations, whereas no mask gives a sense of having nothing to hide and engenders more trust.

Really, Taylor just didn't consider the full consequences if things went south, is slightly warped in her thought of being able to handle anything that happened before it got to her civilian life with her father, and is being mildly obstinate in her opinion of not needing a new identity because she's still Taylor. To be fair, she's a fifteen year-old girl, and a little immaturity is completely normal.
 
Could be worth making it clearer in the chapter. What confused me was:
Without warning, the wooden-framed rice-paper door slid sideways, stopping with a bang. A tall, thin figure stood there, dressed in jeans and a vivid crimson-red leather jacket over a black shirt and pair of black boots.

...

"Shut up." The figure's voice was cold and hard. A high voice, a girl's voice.
The "a girl's voice" bit makes it feel like the gender is new information gained from her speaking, which only really makes sense if her face/hair is concealed.

Thinking about it... it's probably because, in the context (an ethnic gang meeting), mentioning Taylor's ethnicity seems like it'd be something he'd almost certainly do in that initial description, and the only reason that jumps to mind why he wouldn't is being unable to actually see her face.

So, include a bit of a face description in that first paragraph, and this'd all be more clear.
 
Huh, heard it from someone else, guess I was wrong. Also, those descriptions are just straight up word salads.
Apparently, CM shits all over that:
fuyuki said:
Black Barrel
Conceptual Weapon representing "natural life." Forces the concept of "natural life" on the undead to remove their immortality. Along the lines of, for example, writing over "unaging" with the idea of "natural life" (as in the time of allowed existence that is given to a person by heaven) to nullify that condition.
Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS) - Page 2668
Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS) - Page 2669
Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS) - Page 2669

Shit, this is all so fucked.
 
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