A Certain Scientific XCOM Project
theflyingbiscuit
"Titanic neechan"
(going by xcom)
It's not torture. (wouldn't work any way due to language barrier)
It's more "ram a brain scanner in their head and see what comes up".
I still want to recruit her as a trainer and advocate.
Skarmory
Girl from the Black Lizard Planet
- Location
- Case Western Reserve University
The way XCOM skill trees work is that there are two choices on each level up (three in the Long War mod), and you can select one of them per soldier. Once you've made a selection, that selection is permanent for that soldier; however, you can select later skills in each 'tree' when you reach the appropriate level, regardless of whether you have selected the earlier ones.
Think of the skill trees as more being skill 'themes', and you have to choose how to specialize your troops at each juncture. Because you guys voted for medium mechanics, and because you have access to the MISAKA network, you won't be leveling troops individually. Instead, when a 'class' of soldier levels up, you'll select an option for every soldier of that class that will be immediately applied.
In XCOM, interrogating aliens always ends with a fresh corpse being added to your inventory, although it's not an advertised feature of the procedure. And the procedure is most definitely not pleasant; they just do a fade to black in game.
And while I agree that torture doesn't work in real life, it seems to be pretty damn effective in XCOM. They must have discovered some enhanced techniques for enhanced interrogation.
I'll allow write ins to visit specific known individuals or soldiers in person if you like. Since there's no opposing vote, they just have to be supported by a majority of the voters to go through.
You can make unlimited attempts per month so long as your funds hold out, but each attempt takes time, and you can't start another attempt until the previous one finishes. Each successful blood sample is good for 1 to 3 clones, depending on how you roll.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Also:
Basically, this. I actually feel kind of guilty myself, because I didn't take the extra time to understand Plan Macros, and I, with my limited knowledge of XCOM, had no idea that Overwatch wouldn't trigger if 34 ended turn in the Thin Man's line of sight.
Ah. Destructive testing. I think we should maybe, just possibly, try to find a mindreader instead?
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
Is there such a thing? It's true though that improving the magnetic ability of the MISAKAs would be good. I still think hacking is too versatile to pass up right now.
As per X-Com rules, no. It's... unclear what exactly happens in the interrogation room, actually. Just that you end up with research credits.
If there's an alternative, though, I'm all for it.
Yeah, that'd be good. Especially since the cloning facility mention her specifically as a potential risk if she finds out cloning is still a thing. Not sure how we'd go to convince her, though. The best case scenario I can imagine have her deciding to tag along to protect her sisters, which, granted, would be an insanely good thing for us. Brokenly so, in fact, so I don't think that's a credible option right now.
Maybe we can try to break the news gently. "Say, what would you think if we were to offer jobs to your sisters? The pay is good, and the dental plan is amazing!"
While I agree with that, I think we better keep some bucks in, just in case. So I'd advise to do that when our treasury is a bit more abundant.
Though I do genuinely wonder how stealing blood samples from Accelerator is even possible, with his auto-reflect always on. Hmm, having him punched by Touma. No wait! Having him punched by Kihara Amata, we have him! And if said Kihara dies right after that, all the better!
We just got one killed, so she's not going to be all that happy about it...
Skarmory
Girl from the Black Lizard Planet
- Location
- Case Western Reserve University
Accelerator's autoreflect, near invulnerability, and general disposition towards Academy City researchers are all very good reasons why his chance of success is Extremely Low.
That's also why Kuroko has such good odds; as a member of Judgement, she's likely to be easily swayed by appeals to her sense of civic duty.
EDIT: @theflyingbiscuit : Yeah, all clones will be leveled up the same way for simplicity.
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theflyingbiscuit
"Titanic neechan"
is that just for Misaka clones or all clones?
I felt the need to find this.
XCOM said:
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
And here I was, thinking it was simply because we were going to take advantage of the MISAKAs imageto lure her into a false sense of security.
"Yes, I have finally accepted your love, says Misaka with false sincerity and ulterior motives, hiding a needle behind her back."
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Indeed. It seems like torturing captives should be a firing offense, but noninvasive brain scans would be useful. Do we have a Capacity Down device for use in the labs, by the way?
My plan wasn't blood so much as sweat, dandruff, snot, hair, poop... The real problem is if, in his malleable characterization (being punched generally does not make one grow a conscience) he decides to pull a Mikoto. I'd give us decent odds of survival, because we can probably deploy invisible airborne toxins on short notice, or possibly call in Touma. He would, however, probably do a lot of damage in the process, and we'd have to come up with a longer term solution.
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Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
I wouldn't necessary bet on him being on our side, on this issue. He pretty much makes a living of punching people trying to justify themselves as acting "for the greater good".
Quest Bad End : Mikoto, Touma and Accelerator all decide to pay a visit to our headquarters. They are not amused.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I did say possibly. Also send MIKASAs, conventional troops, and invisible knockout gas, respectively.
We should probably get on spiking Accelerator's food with a remotely detonatable sedative. Maybe Mikoto's, too.
- Location
- USA
On the Accelerator issue, we could always ask Last Order to try and get it for us. That has the potential to backfire really badly though. Like Bad End badly.
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
Well, that carries the risk of us having a mutiny on our hands. Last Order is rather fond of Accelerator (because of... reasons), and all the MISAKAs genuinely admire their original, even if they're not above trolling her.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Misaka Prime is not invincible mainly because she's not a munchkin. And - wait a minute, I feel dumb now. Does Capacity Down work on Level 5s?
[X] Electricity: Remote Serial Bus
[X] Improve furnishings in the Barracks. ($40)
[X] Attempt to acquire additional genetic material from espers with known locations. (All options cost $10 each; some may require field deployment)
-[X] Shirai Kuroko (Level 4 Teleporter | Success Rate: High)
[X] Autopsy: Sectoid (3 days, 3 Sectoid Corpses)
- [X] Interrogation: Sectoid (5 days; converts 1 Sectoid Captive to 1 Sectoid Corpse) (if first research completed before any mission occurs)
[X] Field Medikits ($15 per unit, less than 1 day)
- [X] x2
[X] Build Esper Development Facility ($25, $10/month upkeep, 10 days)
[X] Build Genetic Engineering Facility ($40, $10/month upkeep, 14 days)
[X] Supervise Facility Construction
How will KUROKOs work with MISAKAs
[X] Improve furnishings in the Barracks. ($40)
[X] Attempt to acquire additional genetic material from espers with known locations. (All options cost $10 each; some may require field deployment)
-[X] Shirai Kuroko (Level 4 Teleporter | Success Rate: High)
[X] Autopsy: Sectoid (3 days, 3 Sectoid Corpses)
- [X] Interrogation: Sectoid (5 days; converts 1 Sectoid Captive to 1 Sectoid Corpse) (if first research completed before any mission occurs)
[X] Field Medikits ($15 per unit, less than 1 day)
- [X] x2
[X] Build Esper Development Facility ($25, $10/month upkeep, 10 days)
[X] Build Genetic Engineering Facility ($40, $10/month upkeep, 14 days)
[X] Supervise Facility Construction
How will KUROKOs work with MISAKAs
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Ahem. Can we please have more discussion first? Just a little? @Skarmory's approved some write-ins that could be critical.
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Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
To some extent. It actually doesn't suppress their powers, it makes them uncontrollable. Which isn't necessarily a good thing.
Why, very well, of course!
EDIT: hey! No discouraging people for voting for my plan!
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
So for Accelerator's sake, we should really hurry up with those sedatives so we have an option to deal with him nonlethally. (I presume losing control of skincontact infinite leverage telekinesis is not very survivable.)
We might get disables on more mechanical enemies via the hack tree fi you're worried about them. We have no idea what the skill tree will develop into.
Melee and teleport synergize way to well not to exploit that.
Melee and teleport synergize way to well not to exploit that.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Well... can we wait on the remote takeover powers until we know if they'd affect alien weapons? I like the Magnetic tree, and I don't want to lose out on those powers unless the other is obviously more useful.
One thing I'd like to point out is that she knows us, knows we care about children and hate the system that leads to them being seen as expendable. We were literally kidnapped off the street, and woke up in the command center less than an hour before the battle, and the Sisters were already on site and heading into battle. If we contact her now, she'll probably understand we took the command position as the only way we could help keep any of those four alive, and wouldn't freak out on us personally. The issue, of course, is that doing that may well end the quest, because I really doubt she'd do anything but try to dismantle XCOM.
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
That or deciding to fight the alien threat herself. Which is good, but game-breaking.
Damn, now I want a final mission fielding the six original level 5 (that we know of).