It is not going to attack till it actually has a opening to attack. Also Avernus has noticed it and the longer it is around the more that Avernus will escalate things. Time favors us and we have choirs that can counter it. We have no reason to create a hole in our defenses. It is bad idea to create a hole where there is none.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. Long enough that is does not matter
2. Usually no, it generally takes some time for a banished deacon to be able to return to the Materium
3. No,
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
And they're going to be making an hole presumably with Titans, which will then be filled with the Archangyle.
If its going to be charging into an opening I'd rather it be one we've chosen, prepared and where the Titans are few minutes behind it so we can beat on it before it gets support rather than it appearing in one they've just blasted open. One favours us, the other favours them, one gives us a chance of taking out the demon and holding the walls, the other probably looses us the walls.
Also time does not favour us in this case, it doesn't get tired, our psykers do so the longer it stays around the greater risk we run of not having a counter to it and the more support it gives their people.
Now in most circumstances time does favour us, but it goes out the window if the thing isn't being worn down especially since I can't think of any other way to get rid of this thing other than punching it in the face (normally I'd recommend we wait for it to time out, but it has so many sacrifices and well its on Avernus that I don't think waiting will do the trick and yeah Durin just confirmed waiting it out isn't an option.)
As for Avernus coming into deal with it, maybe in a bit, but right now the Wyrms are most likely aiming for the main army on account of the thing flying and the Border Lions don't seem to have the fire power needed to put it down.
Your also acting like us loosing the walls is a death knell, it isn't.
As has been repeatedly noted by Durin Avernite cities get tougher the further in you go. The walls shouldn't be sacrificed, but if we have to do it.
@Durin
1. Have the Border Lions managed to kill anyone important that we can see? A chaos lord for instance?
It is not the end but it is damaged we do not have to take. Just prioritize them in a sally or send all our fighter craft and psyker support to attack them anything other than creating a hole in our outer walll. Our defenses are made for these kind of situation and you guys are alllowing the enemy to bypass them. Also you are assuming that we can fight them back or that they will take the bait. But there is no point in arguing since you have already voted and unless Enjou or eldarhaman come with a plan I do not see that changing.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Ok I really don't get your logic here so I'm afraid I'm going to keep going if you really want me to stop I will, but I'm afraid I can't give this up.For a start you are saying that its damage we do not need to take.
For one why are you assuming damage, we are creating an opening that doesn't mean we have to do intentional damage to ourselves like blowing a hole in the wall, we can just leave an opening in troop movements, something big that they can spot and send it against when in actuality we're ready and waiting to ambush the ****er with a Null zone.
For two why are you assuming that they can't make their own opening doing even more damage, they brought those titans and death strike missiles for a reason, again better to make their opening so we can ambush them rather than letting them create their own.
Second you think that sallying an even more risky move seeing how we'd be going up against them without our defences or sending our air craft against the high alpha with its 30 escort of betas would end with us winning? At least this plan is likely to end with it isolated for a few minutes.
Third: We are not letting them bypass our defences we are trapping an enemy that doesn't care about our defences with them. It can fly it can probably teleport the reason it doesn't go straight for Lin is probably that it knows it would be torn to shreds if it tried it and if it brings help good thing we've got that too.
As for the assumptions well they're pretty good assumptions, Rotbart is a paragon of military Ridcully is a paragon of divination with an entire choir backing him up, if anyone can make it work with minimal fuss its them and if anyone can make it so that if it doesn't work again its them. I am also fairly confident that they would take the bait because
A. These people have proven they care more about speed than common sense
B. Inherent over confidence in their super unit (not that I can blame them on that one)
As for us being able to kill it, in a one v one fight no, but if we stack the odds with say, a psyker who can severely weaken the demon outright another that can almost certainly block every attack it tries and two paragons of combat both capable of inflicting true death yeah I'd say our confidence has some foundations. (additional help from execution forces is also possible)
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
While there isn't as much as I'd like there is some.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
They seem ti have concentrated on the Angylic Hearalds more then any other target
- Location
- Leicester UK
Aye, I'm just frustrated at people wanting to bandwagon a non existent plan.
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
I imagine it depends how exactly it was banished. If it was from being worn down by being shot with bazillion of lasguns he would probably be available for resumon pretty quickly, it would probably take longer if it was blasted apart by titan scale weaponry, even longer it was killed by a psyker(-s) and being banished by proper anti-Daemon weapon or psychic power should prevent him from manifesting in Materium for years if not decades.
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ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
Iiinnnteresting.
The Angyls are the primary target of the planet.
I wonder if the Magma Wyrms might pull off something tricky...
Nah. Assume the worst and prepare as such.
...Idea forming.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
mmm damn avernus and its one track mind (not that them attacking demons is a bad thing mind)
I'll admit this threw me for a loop for a few seconds, but I'm pretty sure the plan exists
Still I think I get what you mean.
According to canon in some cases thousands of years, for example the demon prince from the first volume of the Grey Knight omnibus couldn't get back into the materium for 1000 years after getting his ass kicked by the Knights.
@Durin
1. I don't suppose we've tried pinging the Lions to try and communicate?
2. What kind of manoeuvrability do the Angyels have? They can fly as a norm at least (which is actually unique among demons I think).
3. What about the third, can it pull off teleportation and the like?
4. Do we have estimates for what level of weapon we'll need to penetrate abom enhanced termi armour?
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. You have Tried, so far you have not made contact answer think they are hiding their minds somehowmmm damn avernus and its one track mind (not that them attacking demons is a bad thing mind)
I'll admit this threw me for a loop for a few seconds, but I'm pretty sure the plan exists
Still I think I get what you mean.
According to canon in some cases thousands of years, for example the demon prince from the first volume of the Grey Knight omnibus couldn't get back into the materium for 1000 years after getting his ass kicked by the Knights.
@Durin
1. I don't suppose we've tried pinging the Lions to try and communicate?
2. What kind of manoeuvrability do the Angyels have? They can fly as a norm at least (which is actually unique among demons I think).
3. What about the third, can it pull off teleportation and the like?
4. Do we have estimates for what level of weapon we'll need to penetrate abom enhanced termi armour?
2. The are all capable ough not especially fast for flyers by default
3. It probebly has the capacity but you have not seen it do it
4. Anything stronger then a nutron rifle
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Playing tough to get.
Well that's good?
System Update.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
So, we haven't really seen major Daemon activity since the Pink Skies, and really, Avernus hasn't had a chance to really sample the newest of the Dark Gods.
System Update.
One-hundred twenty-five million dead soldiers.
All sacrificed, all willingly so, to drag in golden skies.
Oh, it was nothing like the pink skies of so long ago and so recently, for this was a force of mortal glory, not some unnatural nature of purified excess.
But still, the hordes of Daemons would have made meat of any Guard regiment you care to name in the old Imperium, save perhaps those of legend like Catachans, Cadians, and the Tempestus Scions.
Indeed, even with powered armor in numbers that eclipsed even the Adeptus Sororitas, and weapons that made mincemeat of anything short of the mighty Astares themselves, along with defenses and Psykers to match all but the hardest of the Old Imperium, Avernites were dying at 3-1 ratios to kill the flock-hordes.
Avernus, on the other hand, had other ideas.
At first, it didn't really notice the gilt fleet, for it wasn't trying an exterminatus or even a especially heavy bombardment.
But when that sacrifice happened, it noticed something.
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Realm of Souls local infestation level rising sharply in area 15.
Wavetype?
N/A.
Repeat detection.
Wavetype N/A.
Send results. Check bioarrays full scan.
Objection: ETA 15 cycles. Local infestation levels increasing.
Objection overruled. Wavetype sensors offline result in inefficient usage of Weapons.
Check beginning. Wavetype sent.
Beginning analysis.
ETA?
Finished. Wavetype Maleficar, new subvariant.
Understood. Temporary designation "Flockboys" mindstripped from The Numberless local forces, standard handshake protocols. Query: disengage full systems check?
Acknowledged. Disengage full systems check. Rules of engagement: 4%.
Understood.
Deploy destruction units type 1984, standard ruleset. Sensorfocus kills. Determine infestation nature.
Understood. Sending data for analysis.
ETA unknown. Variant level 15%, 18 cycles to 25, assuming cluster is not dissolved. Stripping local minds. Name of forces: Angyls. Appear to be derivative of local species infestation.
Activate purgation protocols?
N. Local species engaging infestation. Purgation protocols delayed on judgement until local infestation in sector 15 is disabled.
Acknowledged. Weapon deployment online. ETA 4 cycles.
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Tl;dr: Avernus doesn't know what these are so they're murdering them and poking the warp residue with a stick.
System Update.
One-hundred twenty-five million dead soldiers.
All sacrificed, all willingly so, to drag in golden skies.
Oh, it was nothing like the pink skies of so long ago and so recently, for this was a force of mortal glory, not some unnatural nature of purified excess.
But still, the hordes of Daemons would have made meat of any Guard regiment you care to name in the old Imperium, save perhaps those of legend like Catachans, Cadians, and the Tempestus Scions.
Indeed, even with powered armor in numbers that eclipsed even the Adeptus Sororitas, and weapons that made mincemeat of anything short of the mighty Astares themselves, along with defenses and Psykers to match all but the hardest of the Old Imperium, Avernites were dying at 3-1 ratios to kill the flock-hordes.
Avernus, on the other hand, had other ideas.
At first, it didn't really notice the gilt fleet, for it wasn't trying an exterminatus or even a especially heavy bombardment.
But when that sacrifice happened, it noticed something.
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Realm of Souls local infestation level rising sharply in area 15.
Wavetype?
N/A.
Repeat detection.
Wavetype N/A.
Send results. Check bioarrays full scan.
Objection: ETA 15 cycles. Local infestation levels increasing.
Objection overruled. Wavetype sensors offline result in inefficient usage of Weapons.
Check beginning. Wavetype sent.
Beginning analysis.
ETA?
Finished. Wavetype Maleficar, new subvariant.
Understood. Temporary designation "Flockboys" mindstripped from The Numberless local forces, standard handshake protocols. Query: disengage full systems check?
Acknowledged. Disengage full systems check. Rules of engagement: 4%.
Understood.
Deploy destruction units type 1984, standard ruleset. Sensorfocus kills. Determine infestation nature.
Understood. Sending data for analysis.
ETA unknown. Variant level 15%, 18 cycles to 25, assuming cluster is not dissolved. Stripping local minds. Name of forces: Angyls. Appear to be derivative of local species infestation.
Activate purgation protocols?
N. Local species engaging infestation. Purgation protocols delayed on judgement until local infestation in sector 15 is disabled.
Acknowledged. Weapon deployment online. ETA 4 cycles.
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Tl;dr: Avernus doesn't know what these are so they're murdering them and poking the warp residue with a stick.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
I dunno about that? Its had us around letting em in and of course it got hit by the awakening alone I'd be very surprised if it hasn't been poking already and in any case incursion would mean full intervention.
- Location
- Australia
*holos
[X] Plan Giant Wyrm Trap
@Shard, I have three requests.
1. Have Ridcully gather information on the Archangyl. Frederick and a Diviner Choir should be sufficient to get it into position. Information on the Archangyl will make it easier to kill and will let us work around its Paragon trait, which currently has a too high chance of killing one of our heroes.
2. Put Tamia, a Telepathy Choir, or both on dedicated anti-telepathy. With so many daemons in play, we will take major damage if we don't fight back against it. Not countering their telepathy could also mess up the plan as their new slaves will tell them what our plan is.
3. Have the 1st Telekinetic hold down the Archangyl to make it easier to kill or push away any supporting daemons it has with it.
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ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
Yeah, but have we had any major Angyl incursions that wouldn't just be handled by us or the minor wildlife?
Basically, I thought it would be too small otherwise, like how you don't notice if a dust speck hits your skin slightly faster.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
I wouldn't call one of the four big warp (emp dies, Abom is born, Ynned is born and screws slaanesh and Gork and Mork wake) events of the past 1000 or so years small?
I may also just have a very high opinion of the PM's capabilities, but I think it would notice a foreign intrusion especially a warp based one, no matter how small.
@Durin
1. Out of curiosity what kind of demons come out of the warp rifts the Sphinx close, neutral demons like furies, aligned ones or both?
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
...Actually, given our Diviners selected Officers previous phase (Presumably for ease of domination and maximum effect), and Sirens are dominating those Officers this phase..
That is excellent omake material.
Anyway, @Durin,
1. Any comments on the Giant Wyrm Trap? Am I making some big assumption or is there something particularly important that I have missed?
2. You've said their assassins are about equal to the Last Hunters.. could you remind me how good the Last Hunters are?
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
1. We want to get it into position and into position at the right time. We absolutely want to time their commitment of the 3rd Circle to be at just the right time for the Magma Wyrms to cut off support.
2. Tamia + Telepathy 1 are on anti-telepathy. 1st Daemonology Choir is on general anti-psyker activity.
3. (???) We have other choirs focused on taking down the 3rd Circle.
- Location
- Australia
Your plan has them going off anti-telepathy if the ruse is a success, meaning the plan either fails or we have no anti-telepathy. Psykers can only do one thing per turn.
I know, but an extra choir will increase the chance of success and decrease risks.
Neighborhood Sniper
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
Omake - Neighborhood Sniper
*Music Starts*
Hey yo yo yo,
Ma name is Gutters the Neighborhood Sniper,
I stalk and kill Thornes and rice,
An today i'm about to lay it on thick for these Golden Assasins
They sneakin on da my crews at the little mili,
daggers out and guns out and somehow,
I feel a lil smile from there faces as they get all that closer,
But lil do they know that I'm the Neighborhood Sniper
I go BANG! An then I do a dance as the *lil mili goes a lokkin,
they know it as me doin a favor and spread out,
Golden Assasins with there pants down now lookin for evasion,
Unknown to them i'm still looking at them,
But now it's high noon and they still a target to shoot at,
An so I go 1, 2,3,4 all my rounds at there boys window,
He duckin and lookin for a new window as the lil mili cheases his girls down,
an i'm still lookin, but by the end of the day i'll always be the Neighborhood Sniper!
*Gun fires in the background as a thuds drop audibly in schronazation*
One mo time they call me Gutters the Nighborhood Sniper,
I'm killin the abominations bitches turning there black and gold RED!
((The song airs out in the day throughout Dis as a one time special for the troops fighting. A move orchestrated by the Cities Governor of all people.))
END
*Lil Mili = Underhive term for a militia man. Considered rude slang by some veterans.
Hey guys I made an omake about being a gangsta sniper! Why? because I have nothing else to do until school starts
*Music Starts*
Hey yo yo yo,
Ma name is Gutters the Neighborhood Sniper,
I stalk and kill Thornes and rice,
An today i'm about to lay it on thick for these Golden Assasins
They sneakin on da my crews at the little mili,
daggers out and guns out and somehow,
I feel a lil smile from there faces as they get all that closer,
But lil do they know that I'm the Neighborhood Sniper
I go BANG! An then I do a dance as the *lil mili goes a lokkin,
they know it as me doin a favor and spread out,
Golden Assasins with there pants down now lookin for evasion,
Unknown to them i'm still looking at them,
But now it's high noon and they still a target to shoot at,
An so I go 1, 2,3,4 all my rounds at there boys window,
He duckin and lookin for a new window as the lil mili cheases his girls down,
an i'm still lookin, but by the end of the day i'll always be the Neighborhood Sniper!
*Gun fires in the background as a thuds drop audibly in schronazation*
One mo time they call me Gutters the Nighborhood Sniper,
I'm killin the abominations bitches turning there black and gold RED!
((The song airs out in the day throughout Dis as a one time special for the troops fighting. A move orchestrated by the Cities Governor of all people.))
END
*Lil Mili = Underhive term for a militia man. Considered rude slang by some veterans.
Hey guys I made an omake about being a gangsta sniper! Why? because I have nothing else to do until school starts
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