- Location
- The Bayou, Everglades
Fifteen votes for No Bombardment.
This worries me a lot. The point of the plan is to "destroy a good portion of their main fleet" in order to reduce the enemy's "ability to bombard our cities".
But the orbital defences around Avernus in general are really not strong enough to accomplish that. Almost all that time we spent building orbital defences was for Deiphobe, not Avernus, and what few we have are spread out all over the place. Our own fleet is diminutive compared to theirs. It's not going to happen.
And notice that the plan calls for
Unless of course we loose half our fleet, probably only taking a small chunk out of their numbers, then they can probably bombard with fewer worries.
Furthermore, this will horribly reduce our ability to harass the enemy from here on out, which is where out strength lies thanks to Sarnow, Ridcully and furthermore the enemy's now complete lack of attack craft wings.
And if we wanted to destroy the enemy's fleet here, the reserves would be much better for that purpose. It's 67 battleships against their 18, for emperor's sakes!
@Shard, how much of their fleet is your plan supposed to destroy in order to meaningfully reduce their bombardment capacity? 5 battleships? 12 battleships?
Those are the ones with the biggest guns, so I assume you want to destroy those, I just wonder how.
And does your long-term plan involve any harassment from us at all? Because our harassment forces are the smaller, more vulnerable ships, and the enemy might target those first to get rid of future harassment.
Taking a stand here goes against the Trust doctrine of absorbing the enemy on the ground, and it especially plays against our strengths.
This worries me a lot. The point of the plan is to "destroy a good portion of their main fleet" in order to reduce the enemy's "ability to bombard our cities".
But the orbital defences around Avernus in general are really not strong enough to accomplish that. Almost all that time we spent building orbital defences was for Deiphobe, not Avernus, and what few we have are spread out all over the place. Our own fleet is diminutive compared to theirs. It's not going to happen.
And notice that the plan calls for
That's before we loose two thirds of our fleet. So we're probably going to loose slightly more than half our fleet, that we've spent centuries building, and which we still need to defend ourselves against our other enemies. And this, in order to hopefully reduce bombardment? They aren't going to bombard our cities conventionally - they are going to split their fleet, go home with most of it for another shuttling-in off troops with escorts, and leave just enough of a fleet back here to protect their own armies from orbital bombardment. If they try, with that remainder fleet, to bombard our cities, the ground defences and our fleet's harassment will cost them far more than it's worth to them.
Unless of course we loose half our fleet, probably only taking a small chunk out of their numbers, then they can probably bombard with fewer worries.
Furthermore, this will horribly reduce our ability to harass the enemy from here on out, which is where out strength lies thanks to Sarnow, Ridcully and furthermore the enemy's now complete lack of attack craft wings.
And if we wanted to destroy the enemy's fleet here, the reserves would be much better for that purpose. It's 67 battleships against their 18, for emperor's sakes!
@Shard, how much of their fleet is your plan supposed to destroy in order to meaningfully reduce their bombardment capacity? 5 battleships? 12 battleships?
Those are the ones with the biggest guns, so I assume you want to destroy those, I just wonder how.
And does your long-term plan involve any harassment from us at all? Because our harassment forces are the smaller, more vulnerable ships, and the enemy might target those first to get rid of future harassment.
They have to be destroyed sooner or later, and it'll be easier on Avernus. As opposed to having to deal with them on their home turf.
We'll still have that advantage if we go blatant now. Valinor will just know that we know.
Why do we want to make a stand? Besides keeping Valinor from crashing their everything into Dis - the only type of bombardment that is a real danger to as, and which plan No Bombardment specifically doesn't protects us against, I might add.
Taking a stand here goes against the Trust doctrine of absorbing the enemy on the ground, and it especially plays against our strengths.
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Let's not forget our own massive debt to Muspelheim and Niflheim! Let's not put ourselves further in the red than we already are, please. Our own economy is having a bad enough time as it is, just trying to catch up to the thrones cost in AM maintenance of the stuff we have right now, and the EM and RM situation is even worse.