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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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Actually, Durin has said that we don't need more than 1-2 PDF armies to fend off the wild-life.
Ok but why since we as players will get to be able to input where we want to deploy the trust forces. Rotbart is the best general in the Trust and one of the best in the galaxy. His ( or our opinion) matters.
Also strategically we could replace Avernus armies with the same or greater amount of Midgard and other armies from the Trust. While they would not be as seasoned as Avernus troops they are a lot more of them than Avernus armies.
These also does not include that the defenses are greater than we had the last demon incursion or warding we have. As well as the fact that the militia is far more heavily armed. As well as that two armies is more troops than when we had the incursion.
What if another WAAAGH hits while we're still fighting Gutcrumpa in the colonies? We should see it coming but with us already getting the psychic noise of fighting Orks and one eye on Valinor how far out can we see it? Orks are faster through the warp than us and getting troops out of one fight and ready to fight another takes time.
Then there's random shit. Pink Skies won't be the only sudden disaster on that table.
We must keep a decent reserve.
Then there's random shit. Pink Skies won't be the only sudden disaster on that table.
We must keep a decent reserve.
If nothing goes wrong. We need as well some percentage of troops to retrain replacements timely.
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We could commit 11, but then say we should keep 2 of those garrisoned on Avernus in case of Demonic Incursion. But that's no different from only committing 9, and it would look silly.
Where? On Avernus? Not for any extended period of time, because they'll be a lot more vulnerable to the wildlife than Avernites.
Everything is bigger than back in the day. I would expect a demonic incursion to be better prepared for Avernus.
Things are already going to go wrong up in Gehenna. What might go wrong here that extra PDF would help with, besides maybe Demonic Incursions?
Alright, but what are the chances? I'll tell you; bigger the longer the Gutcrumpa-war goes on. So how long do we figure that is? It took us 14 years to take over 20 fortified Ork worlds, so I'd say no more than 10 years to at least make Gut go away, probably less. Make of that what you will.
We have retirees for that, especially when the war has cut down the waiting list for Juvenat treatments.
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Doomed Wombat
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Not sure if spaghetti yet, but just be careful.
[X] Avernus is willing to deploy 11 out of 13 of its armies on extended campaign.
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[X] Avernus is willing to deploy 11 out of 13 of its armies on extended campaign.
I'm going to keep making my case that they should all stay on Avernus until Valinor stops being an issue.
Doomed Wombat
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sigh...
The PDF I might be able to see happening, but the Helguard and helltroopers are probably getting deployed in their entirety.
We require muscle and there simply are not enough Astartes or Fire Giants.
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You think we can take Valinor with nothing but our PDF? On what basis?
All we know about the Crusade Fleet is that they wouldn't attack before the Trust was engaged elsewhere, and our PDF alone doesn't really compare to the entirety of the Trust. If Valinor was hesitant against the Trust combined military, they'll feel pretty good about only facing our PDF.
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Doomed Wombat
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Eh?
I didn't say that, I'm just saying that you shouldn't hope to keep all our troops home. I hope that we can send a chunk of the PDF along with a smaller chunk of the Hel soldiers to waargh and keep the rest of them home along with elites from the rest of the trust (Knights, and Svat guard,)
Our PDF is also a force to be reckoned with though (366 skill level means that ATM the only grenidires stronger are the Fire Giants I think) + the milita, defences and Avernus as a whole.
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Send Saint Lin to the Ork front and then try to trick the Orks to attack the Crusade Fleet.
Doomed Wombat
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As fun as that idea might be, I get the feeling they'd just attack when us and the orks were wailing on each other.
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Cyclonic torpedo on the big one and maybe even the 2nd biggest one aswell to make the space fight managable . This also has a chance of breaking the waagh by getting lucky on warboss kill.
I dont know how good idea invading a hulk outside of teleporting to the bridge or near it to try kill the boss - otherwise it doesnt sound like a great idea unless we commit armies to it somehow if we can disable it i guess? Cause there will be billions of ork on it. Take the chaplain and one of our heroes or xavier for that with terminator armor marine escort or governors own...
Maybe the hope is for stc-s / ships from the hulk i guess and metal/am i guess for breaking up the hulks...
If they didnt have hulks we would merk them badly for example even with meh rolls so cyclonic torpedo might be worth spending if u can gurantee a hit more or less´i think.
we can also try ambushing them if we have ridicully present like we did with garkill?
and lin evacutating to somewhere else is a option guys . Apparently svartalheim has lv 8 defenses available wich should be considered ? This also makes sense if u wanna avoid damage i guess to our income .
I dont know how good idea invading a hulk outside of teleporting to the bridge or near it to try kill the boss - otherwise it doesnt sound like a great idea unless we commit armies to it somehow if we can disable it i guess? Cause there will be billions of ork on it. Take the chaplain and one of our heroes or xavier for that with terminator armor marine escort or governors own...
Maybe the hope is for stc-s / ships from the hulk i guess and metal/am i guess for breaking up the hulks...
If they didnt have hulks we would merk them badly for example even with meh rolls so cyclonic torpedo might be worth spending if u can gurantee a hit more or less´i think.
we can also try ambushing them if we have ridicully present like we did with garkill?
and lin evacutating to somewhere else is a option guys . Apparently svartalheim has lv 8 defenses available wich should be considered ? This also makes sense if u wanna avoid damage i guess to our income .
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So, you want to exchange some of our troopers for elites from other worlds? Even though you're saying that those troopers we're sending are equivalent to those Trust elites, bar a few Firegiants?
For what purpose? It's just a shuffling of forces, bringing in soldiers who aren't used to Avernus and who will die for it.
And what makes you think firegiants are particularly more suited against Valinor than they are against Orks?
And what makes you think that this amount of forces are enough?
We need to find out more about the Crusade Fleet before we can make any decision. And about what the rest of the council thinks.
Let's table this discussion till then.
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Doomed Wombat
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Not quite. IIRC Durin doesn't simply work on skill levels, grenidirs will always kill more than troopers and PDF (I believe the rank above that is for things like Myrmidons and astartes). So by sending out our PDF to strengthen the main body of the trust and getting their grenedirs we all benefit.
They're not, they can work against either or, the main issue is that there's very few of them to go around.
Because Valinor doesn't have enough to beat us.
You can say I'm wrong ect. ect. but at the end of the day I don't think they have the troops, ships or otherwise to properly defeat us. You saw the smack down we made against them the first time they tried and we used even less of our forces than we intend to use now.
Unless they summon an Archangyle (which we still have a counter too...two in fact) I have confidence we could beat them with our militia, albeit with horrific casualties.
I mean hells bells man they need to use battleships as sacrificial rams to get through our shields and even then only temporarily.
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They might have a number of battleships. Cram a bunch of them with explosives, send them one a time in rapid succession - boom boom boom boom boom, no more Dis.
I don't want to gamble on Avernus caring about Dis.
We don't know that.
And back then they didn't have a Crusade Fleet reinforcement.
I don't see how the troopers are better against Orks and the Elites against Valinor.
But let's table this discussion until we're not simply deciding how many troops to commit to deployment.
I mean, you can make rebuttals, but I'm going to let you have the last word then and keep those points in mind until then.
We can't assume that - if we make them available for long term deployment we have to plan for them being on long term term deployment when we need troops. That's what we're agreeing to. If it will be in the Trust's interest for them to be on Avernus then why put them on the table? When we plan we have to give ourselves some margin for things to go wrong, especially in military planning.
There is also an asymmetry in failure states and how hard it is to fix them. If there's a shortage of troops in Gehenna it hits relatively low population and industry worlds - one large city being breached on Avernus can have more impact than writing off a whole colony. Then, it is relatively fast and easy to up our deployment and send out another army or two compared to trying to get one back in a hurry.
What is the benefit? What does Avernus gain by keeping fewer PDF than Alfheim despite having more people to protect and wildlife constantly trying to kill us - to the point that some years it can tie up two whole armies on its own? It won't get us favours or credits or approval ratings or even thanks - we know this from experience. Indeed if it gets us into trouble it could lower our standing because it's our mistake.
Doomed Wombat
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No no I'm not, I'm too sleepy to try anyway.
I'll just keep writing the Jacob omake.
RogueInquisitor
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Between our semi-regular losses to major Chaos psykers, occasional surges in wildlife activity (i.e., magma worms, plague outbreaks, etc.) and the regular attrition of just living on Avernus, I don't feel that we should be keeping only the absolute minimum of forces on Avernus. Shit happens, even without WAAAGHs and Chaos incursions, and we should be prepared.