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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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Nurgle said:
The whole point I am making is to send Rotbart out to take care of warbooses before that has to happen. There are a lot of orks in the galaxy and the eldar can't be the only ones going out and stopping warghs before they start.
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If they ask for help, and if we think they're on the level, and if they can provide the webway transportation, and are willing to help us help the wider loyalist polities, then I don't see why we wouldn't send a couple of armies. But if they specifically request Rotbart for more than short campaigns - which I don't think they will - they better have a very good reason.
Let's wait and see. Cross that bridge if we come to it.
 
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Nurgle said:
The whole point I am making is to send Rotbart out to take care of warbooses before that has to happen. There are a lot of orks in the galaxy and the eldar can't be the only ones going out and stopping warghs before they start.
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And the point I'm making is that's a terrible idea, your literally suggesting Rotbart can personally hinder The Beast, The entire Trust cannot stop the nearby small realm of orks from forming a Waaargh and you think Rotbart can somehow allow us to do the same to other larger ork groups at the head of an expeditionary fleet on a galaxy effecting scale.

I don't know what to say.
 
Nurgle said:
The whole point I am making is to send Rotbart out to take care of warbooses before that has to happen. There are a lot of orks in the galaxy and the eldar can't be the only ones going out and stopping warghs before they start.
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They're not, the Primarch's are active the Krork are doing stuff, if the necrons ain't double timing back I'll be surprised, large human and xenos polities are out there hell even chaos is getting in on it.

Tzeench and certainly Magnus are going to be active and the rest will probably help out of self preservation abbadon will absolutely.

nat_401 said:
And the point I'm making is that's a terrible idea, your literally suggesting Rotbart can personally hinder The Beast, The entire Trust cannot stop the nearby small realm of orks from forming a Waaargh and you think Rotbart can somehow allow us to do the same to other larger ork groups at the head of an expeditionary fleet on a galaxy effecting scale.

I don't know what to say.
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His martial bonus is good as is his paragon skill, but yeah this too.
 
thatguy said:
Wait, doesn't that still need to be fixed?
Are they just using it while ignoring the giant broken gun?
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Doomed Wombat said:
Assuming you mean the Vraja then we did tithe it at some point and it's one of the three Trust fleets command ships
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AlsoSprachOdin said:
Yes, that's the gravatic command battleship that guy asked about.
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He's talking about the Varja which uses a lot of gravetic accelerators
 
Mittens is scary. He has a real chance of getting a dual paragon in Combat and Stealth like we think Sept has concealed from us.

I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around just how scary five meters of angry tiger would be. If that's ignoring tail, he's literally twice as long as a sizeable horse and about as tall as a person. In blades of death form that would be enough to core a goddamn knight-Titan assuming his effective armor penetration is high enough.

Also, I love the idea of him making people freak the fuck out by joining a diplomatic mission. First from the whole 'holy fucking shit that's a giant tiger' thing, then from the 'said tiger can use psychic powers' thing, and finally from the 'that tiger can communicate and is probably smarter than I am' thing.

Finally, laughing at the fact that we can now literally say that on Avernus, even our cats can requisition shit. Could even be a thing there—between Rotbart's background a focus on administration, the universal education, and the extremely high level of military service among the population, I'm betting that the idea of anyone not being able to fill out a requisition form by their early teenage years is considered absurd...
 
Ok back I truly believe Rotbart can make a difference in the galaxy as great or greater than a primarch. Not just because of his ridiculous bullshit skills but also because he has something no one else has. A god killing sword made by the old ones.
 
Reynal said:
Mittens is scary. He has a real chance of getting a dual paragon in Combat and Stealth like we think Sept has concealed from us.

I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around just how scary five meters of angry tiger would be. If that's ignoring tail, he's literally twice as long as a sizeable horse and about as tall as a person. In blades of death form that would be enough to core a goddamn knight-Titan assuming his effective armor penetration is high enough.

Also, I love the idea of him making people freak the fuck out by joining a diplomatic mission. First from the whole 'holy fucking shit that's a giant tiger' thing, then from the 'said tiger can use psychic powers' thing, and finally from the 'that tiger can communicate and is probably smarter than I am' thing.

Finally, laughing at the fact that we can now literally say that on Avernus, even our cats can requisition shit. Could even be a thing there—between Rotbart's background a focus on administration, the universal education, and the extremely high level of military service among the population, I'm betting that the idea of anyone not being able to fill out a requisition form by their early teenage years is considered absurd...
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Even better he can also go flame mode while microphasing :D

Nurgle said:
Ok back I truly believe Rotbart can make a difference in the galaxy as great or greater than a primarch. Not just because of his ridiculous bullshit skills but also because he has something no one else has. A god killing sword made by the old ones.
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Yeah but Rotbart can just give it to someone else more qualified in the stabbing department.

They're not bound to him we could give it to a Primarch (Russ probably on the table top there is literally no Primarch that can beat him including Horus) or a Phoenix Warrior and their 60+ combat stats will get a lot more out of it than Rotbart's 49.

In other questions
@Durin
1. In lore terms what separates a PM Apex Psyker from an alpha +. The crunch if I understand it right is apex base 50 power alpha + base 40.
2. Is humanity even capable of producing an Apex?
3. If yes Are you willing to give the chances?
 
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Should the situation ever arise that Frederick is needed on the front lines, commanding the Trust Guard, then he could just step down as Governor of Avernus in favour of Syr taking up the reins. Would make for a much smoother transition of power to boot.

Sure, we'd change PC, but the Guard would gain a bitching new commander, even if he's much less killy without the soul killing sword.
 
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Reynal said:
Finally, laughing at the fact that we can now literally say that on Avernus, even our cats can requisition shit. Could even be a thing there—between Rotbart's background a focus on administration, the universal education, and the extremely high level of military service among the population, I'm betting that the idea of anyone not being able to fill out a requisition form by their early teenage years is considered absurd...
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At the very least there isn't any conceivable excuse for not being able to do it if a ton weighing, 15 foot long cat can properly fill out a form or report and do so accurately after having taught itself how to read and write.

If this becomes common knowledge on Avernus about how intelligent Phase Tigers can be and combine that with the sheer efficiency of the Avernites Admin... how do other, less efficient worlds look to them.
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
Even better he can also go flame mode while microphasing :D


Yeah but Rotbart can just give it to someone else more qualified in the stabbing department.

They're not bound to him we could give it to a Primarch (Russ probably on the table top there is literally no Primarch that can beat him including Horus) or a Phoenix Warrior and their 60+ combat stats will get a lot more out of it than Rotbart's 49.

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@Durin
1. In lore terms what separates a PM Apex Psyker from an alpha +. The crunch if I understand it right is apex base 50 power alpha + base 40.
2. Is humanity even capable of producing an Apex?
3. If yes Are you willing to give the chances?
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1.Apex Psykers capable of pulling of feats like moving entire worlds though the warp ect
2. No Apex Psyker is actually more powerful then humans can be, it is a catagory reserved for demi-gods, Exalted Greter Deamons and similar
Andres110 said:
@Durin, shouldn't Mittens have (or nearly have) the Avernite Bi-centenarian trait?
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it is part of the Phase-Tiger Ancestor trait
AlsoSprachOdin said:
Right. Forgot about that.
But maybe there's something I'm overlooking.

[edit, because I pressed "post" instead of "insert quotes"]
@Durin
1. This is just a leftover, right?


2. Do we as Rotbart, upon hearing of the idea circulating some of the Munitorum - that we should bait or attack Valinor, think there are any reasons that this is a terrible idea?
3. When does Vanaheim expect to finish their Legend Dreadnought?
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1. yes
2. it is being discussed by the Mutnorum. the general consensus is not to attack before the fleet gets here and to wait to see what the feet is before making any decisions. this is partially because if the fleet arrived while you are attacking it could be very bad, and predicting a Chaos fleet's speed is hard even for Ridcully as it can suddenly accelerate without warning
AlsoSprachOdin said:
Oh boy @Durin , here comes another avalanche of dumb questions!
[ignore strike-throughs]

1: In addition to the previous question regarding whether the new Forge design was complete, which I don't think you answered (Is it?)...
1.i: Can Tranth already tell us what requirements it has? Such as forge-hives of particular sizes, whether they mustn't already have cathedrals of some kind?
2. Are we automatically sharing all our shiny new technology with the rest of the Trust, or will the Trust pay for it without any hard feelings?
3. Can Lin train some psyker-coaches, given his extensive experience and unique perspective?
3.i Or at least write a motivational book for the psykers-in-training to read, if that would be useful at all and not already covered under his Commentaries?
4. Would it be theoretically possible for our psykers to fuse, like the Eldar do when producing gods, or when the Emperor was conceived?
4.i How about fusing with non-human psykers? Like Eldar?
4.ii or with Avernus beasties? Like Sirens and Penguins?
4.iii how about familiars? Like Xavier and Mittens? (Realised this was one of those questions we have no way of knowing the answers to.)
5. Do we have flying cars in the Trust, yet?
6. Would the Sirens like some new rivers, lakes? To get away from the wider ocean durin' storms and whatnot.
6.i Would we be able to make some rivers and/or lakes for them? Without taking exorbitant losses, anyway.
7. Given that the psychologically burnt-out citizens tend to leave Avernus for the province worlds, are the remainder developing the Strong Will trait any further?
8. Does Frederik like Avernus? Like, does it feel like home? If he or it went away, would he miss this place?

A request: If Ridcully can no longer keep the Orks from uniting, I'd at least like the option to ensure the victory of the dumbest Boss.

@Doomed Wombat
Something for the Divination List: Divine for large-scale self-destruction mechanisms around Valinor. I can see them implementing those kinds of scorched-earth strategies, blowing up a city or planet along with the invading armies if they're losing.
And I can see us exploiting such mechanisms, what with all our telepaths and stealth capabilities. Just as a prank, you know.
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1. see next turn when I give details
5. yes, they are not commonplace however. I should mention that car ownership is a lot less common in the more densely populated worlds of the Trust then it si on earth, in alrge part due to their being levys to use cars in hives and due to very good public trasport
6. no, they prefer staltwater
7. very slowly yes
8. it is home, he both loves it and hates it. a combination of feeling very common on Avernus
 
though to be fair, some of them likely didn't fully intend to. I suspect that the ones who chased after something into the warp were intending to be gone for at most a few centuries, but you know, warp. but yeah, they really should have stuck around.
 
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@Durin

1. You missed this:
Andres110 said:
Durin said:
Grav-Sheer Weapons
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@Durin

1. Nitpick, but Grav-Shear - with an 'a' in the second word - would be better.
2. Can we make an order of psychic researchers to help with our Research actions or do we already have that?
Durin said:
3. possible, you would need to use an Alpha Psyker to hold the power however. Or get high quality wraithbone equivalent
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3. Can we use an equivalent amount of Beta psykers instead?
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Durin said:
1.Apex Psykers capable of pulling of feats like moving entire worlds though the warp ect
2. No Apex Psyker is actually more powerful then humans can be, it is a catagory reserved for demi-gods, Exalted Greter Deamons and similar
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Alpha Plus was supposed to refer to psykers whose rating could not be measured in any reasonable way. Adding the Apex designation is like adding an "11" when there's already a "10+", isn't it?
3. Malcador was an Alpha Plus and could put worlds in the Warp. He was also a regular human.
 
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Durin said:
it can be argued that all of the Primarchs but those that died ran from their responsibility
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Yeah the Primemarchs we're not the emperor best project. They were the most prideful group of people. The Kahn got lost chasing the eldar. Corvus went willing into the eye of terror. Russ got a vision of a tree and went into the eye of terror. Rogal adorable went to the imperial palace and wonder around for 8000 years in a centurion suit.
 
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Andres110 said:
@Durin

1. You missed this:

2.

Alpha Plus was supposed to refer to psykers whose rating could not be measured in any reasonable way. Adding the Apex designation is like adding an "11" when there's already a "10+".
3. Malcador was an Alpha Plus and could put worlds in the Warp. He was also a regular human.
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1. you are right
2. you already have that, making an order to help with a certain category of research would work though

3. not really

2. yes it is, 40k needs that to separate those who are off the scale with those who are so far off the scale that they make the scale useless
3. he was also a perpetual with a Paragon Power Trait, or more
 
Nurgle said:
Rogal adorable went to the imperial palace and wonder around for 8000 years in a centurion suit.
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To be fair, ensuring that the Emperor would not die is one of the most important things a Primarch can do to ensure the survival of the Imperium.

Durin said:
2. yes it is, 40k needs that to separate those who are off the scale with those who are so far off the scale that they make the scale useless
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I don't think you should include Exalted Greater Daemons to the list of Apex psykers. Exalted Greater Daemons can be found in the lists of both Age of Sigmar and Warhammer 40k (just Exalted Bloodthirsters in the latter) which means that they are killable. An'ggrath - the highest among the Bloodthirsters - was defeated by Grey Knights. (Inquisitor Hector Rex being the one to personally defeat him.) Exalted Greater Daemons should be powerful, but not Apex and maybe not even Alpha Plus. If they can't mind-control an entire world like that one human Alpha Plus fetus did, or can't mind-control 1300 solar systems like that Alpha Plus cyborg xeno could, they are certainly not Apex.
 
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Andres110 said:
To be fair, ensuring that the Emperor would not die is one of the most important things a Primarch can do to ensure the survival of the Imperium.


I don't think you should include Exalted Greater Daemons to the list of Apex psykers. Exalted Greater Daemons can be found in the lists of both Age of Sigmar and Warhammer 40k (just Exalted Bloodthirsters in the latter) which means that they are killable. An'ggrath - the highest among the Bloodthirsters - was defeated by Grey Knights. (Inquisitor Hector Rex being the one to personally defeat him.) Exalted Greater Daemons should be powerful, but not Apex and maybe not even Alpha Plus. If they can't mind-control an entire world like that one human Alpha Plus fetus did, they are certainly not Apex.
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Yeah but that makes him even more of a failure since the emperor died.
 
Reynal said:
Mittens is scary. He has a real chance of getting a dual paragon in Combat and Stealth like we think Sept has concealed from us.

I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around just how scary five meters of angry tiger would be. If that's ignoring tail, he's literally twice as long as a sizeable horse and about as tall as a person. In blades of death form that would be enough to core a goddamn knight-Titan assuming his effective armor penetration is high enough.

Also, I love the idea of him making people freak the fuck out by joining a diplomatic mission. First from the whole 'holy fucking shit that's a giant tiger' thing, then from the 'said tiger can use psychic powers' thing, and finally from the 'that tiger can communicate and is probably smarter than I am' thing.

Finally, laughing at the fact that we can now literally say that on Avernus, even our cats can requisition shit. Could even be a thing there—between Rotbart's background a focus on administration, the universal education, and the extremely high level of military service among the population, I'm betting that the idea of anyone not being able to fill out a requisition form by their early teenage years is considered absurd...
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Has Mittens' character sheet been posted somewhere?
 
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    With the death of Edvinyou have to select your next Chief Administrator. There are three main candidates, your personal assistant Thaddeus Starr, the Head of the Department of Health Isaac Gros and the Head of the Treasury Department Signe Seidel. You could also pull back Syr from her current position in the Navy and give her the position.
    note if you choose Thaddeus also chose who replaces him as your assistant from among the others
     
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