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Hold It In (RWBY/Transistor)

Which of the other starter choices do you want to see interludes from most?

  • Dishonored

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • Legend Of Zelda

    Votes: 9 20.9%

  • Shadow Of Mordor

    Votes: 2 4.7%

  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

    Votes: 4 9.3%

  • Preacher

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

    Votes: 8 18.6%

  • Fist Of The North Star

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Kill Six Billion Demons

    Votes: 12 27.9%

  • The Zombie Knight

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Mob Psycho 100

    Votes: 2 4.7%

  • Author's Choice

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
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[X] Unlikely Pair
[X] Nobody, A
[X] Doe, A Deer, A Female Deer

As for the fate shop: Process Minions! Process Minions! Process Minions!!!
Can you tell that I'm excited about saving up to get this upgrade. It really lets us become a player in the world game. Think about all the butterflies that will be let loose when we start creating our own army! Apparently they evolve on their own, so if even if e start off with the weakest cells in time they might be able to grow in strength alongside us.
 
Maybe it's the fact that I've been watching my roommates play through Horizon Zero Dawn again but I don't know if introducing the Process is a good idea. Don't trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain, for one thing, and then add a side helping of AI that self duplicate.

We do not want to open that can of worms unless we are 110% sure we can close it again.
 
z3r0gamer said:
Maybe it's the fact that I've been watching my roommates play through Horizon Zero Dawn again but I don't know if introducing the Process is a good idea. Don't trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain, for one thing, and then add a side helping of AI that self duplicate.

We do not want to open that can of worms unless we are 110% sure we can close it again.
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God I am so absolutely sick of people going but 'all AI's are bad!' just because a lot of movies and games have AI go wrong. That kind of shit leads to things like Mass Effects way of handling things along with people like Worm's Saint where everyone in those settings loses their shit just because they saw a scary movie about robots even though a lot of AI in those settings aren't actually hostile. Like there are plenty of stories where AI aren't evil but of course people for some reason seem to conviniently ignore this. Though of course AI's causing problems is more popular since AI being enemies to mankind seems more interesting than them just being peaceful.

Remnant is freaking death world that is over run with literal soulless monster where the kingdoms are contained in certain borders and cant expand, have limited resources and villages disappear all the time. And here we are with the process that could bring forth an age of post scarcity where people could be cared for and don't have to worry about much and people ignore all the good it could do because of some goddamn movies about AI going wrong while ignoring all the good AIs! Sorry but when I read things like this it's the freaking nuclear scare all over again that slowed down the introduction of nuclear power.
 
z3r0gamer said:
Maybe it's the fact that I've been watching my roommates play through Horizon Zero Dawn again but I don't know if introducing the Process is a good idea. Don't trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain, for one thing, and then add a side helping of AI that self duplicate.

We do not want to open that can of worms unless we are 110% sure we can close it again.
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Forget where they keep their brains, Jaune can see where they keep the rules regulating their existence. Worst comes to worst, including a backdoor of some sort is presumably possible.
 
[X] small notreallyhere girl
[X] Doe, A Deer, A Female Deer
[X] Luxbrah

I hope that each of these is being counted seperatly, I know Lux doesn't have the best chance of winning.
 
I'm not saying "don't use the Process". I'm saying "don't use the Process early."

I agree, they're a powerful tool, but we are not ready to do what Red does and take on an entire army of the things to shut it down. Until we have a solid team and have upped our memory a bit, we are not ready for the worst case scenario, and given that scenario could completely and utterly fuck an entire kingdom if we get unlucky enough?

Wait.

We're getting them anyway.

Focus on the skills we have already, code a couple Functions, learn swordsmanship. Then we can deal with the Process. Damn right I'm scared of them; they're fucking scary.
 
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z3r0gamer said:
I'm not saying "don't use the Process". I'm saying "don't use the Process early."

I agree, they're a powerful tool, but we are not ready to do what Red does and take on an entire army of the things to shut it down. Until we have a solid team and have upped our memory a bit, we are not ready for the worst case scenario, and given that scenario could completely and utterly fuck an entire kingdom if we get unlucky enough?

Wait.
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We aren't Red, from what I can tell things only went as bad as they did was becase
Red was using the Transistor and the process in a way that they weren't meant to be used and no one knew how the Transistor fully worked or even where it came from[spoiler/]. Seeing as Jaune is actually the one that built the transistor and has pretty much full understanding of his own power it likely wouldn't be as much of and issue as people make it out to be.
 
z3r0gamer said:
I'm not saying "don't use the Process". I'm saying "don't use the Process early."

I agree, they're a powerful tool, but we are not ready to do what Red does and take on an entire army of the things to shut it down. Until we have a solid team and have upped our memory a bit, we are not ready for the worst case scenario, and given that scenario could completely and utterly fuck an entire kingdom if we get unlucky enough?

Wait.

We're getting them anyway.

Focus on the skills we have already, code a couple Functions, learn swordsmanship. Then we can deal with the Process. Damn right I'm scared of them; they're fucking scary.
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there a nucular option until we're powerful enough basically. if we unleash them early it should be because Salem is about to claim a relic or something of their teir.
 
Concern over rogue Process is entirely justified, considering that the Transistor version of "debugging" is both literal and percussive. Compounding matters, the Process is not "just" an AI, it's a Von Neumann machine with adaptive intelligence, meaning it's going to eat and learn and spread like the Zerg/Cravers/Tyranids/pick your example. It won't do this out of malice given that machine intelligence is incapable of malice, but because it's carrying out its programming, and that programming has been set to "factory zero". If the Transistor resets (and don't you dare say "it can't happen" when the QM is right there) and is left unchecked the Process'll easily be a threat greater than the Grimm.

I'm still all for using it because FUCK DRAGONS ACQUIRE THE SPINE but it's playing with fire while wearing wax wings.

Red Bovine said:
We aren't Red, from what I can tell things only went as bad as they did was becase
Red was using the Transistor and the process in a way that they weren't meant to be used and no one knew how the Transistor fully worked or even where it came from
. Seeing as Jaune is actually the one that built the transistor and has pretty much full understanding of his own power it likely wouldn't be as much of and issue as people make it out to be.[/spoiler]
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If only.
The Transistor encountered an edge case (the Trace belonging to Blue/Mr. Nobody/SUBJECT NOT FOUND) and reset. This reset the Process, which took stock of its situation and did what it was programmed to do.
"if: in Cloudbank;standby=0, then: process city"

There was nothing wrong with the Transistor's programming or with how Red used it. The issue was the reset.
Also Jaune has no idea how the Transistor actually works, it's explicitly Semblance powered bullshit here. For all we know Jaune's summoning the Process instead of creating it.

Again, I'm in favor of using the Process, but there's no such thing as too careful.
 
Captain Clever said:
Concern over rogue Process is entirely justified, considering that the Transistor version of "debugging" is both literal and percussive. Compounding matters, the Process is not "just" an AI, it's a Von Neumann machine with adaptive intelligence, meaning it's going to eat and learn and spread like the Zerg/Cravers/Tyranids/pick your example. It won't do this out of malice given that machine intelligence is incapable of malice, but because it's carrying out its programming, and that programming has been set to "factory zero". If the Transistor resets (and don't you dare say "it can't happen" when the QM is right there) and is left unchecked the Process'll easily be a threat greater than the Grimm.

I'm still all for using it because FUCK DRAGONS ACQUIRE THE SPINE but it's playing with fire while wearing wax wings.


If only.
The Transistor encountered an edge case (the Trace belonging to Blue/Mr. Nobody/SUBJECT NOT FOUND) and reset. This reset the Process, which took stock of its situation and did what it was programmed to do.
"if: in Cloudbank;standby=0, then: process city"

There was nothing wrong with the Transistor's programming or with how Red used it. The issue was the reset.
Also Jaune has no idea how the Transistor actually works, it's explicitly Semblance powered bullshit here. For all we know Jaune's summoning the Process instead of creating it.

Again, I'm in favor of using the Process, but there's no such thing as too careful.
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I get what people are saying but considering that getting the process early is actually a pretty expensive reward from the fate shop I don't think it would be that bad thing if we are careful about it. I seriously doubt the QM would have it so that us spending so much on the reward of getting the process early just to fuck us over since that would be a dick move on his part honestly.
 
Red Bovine said:
I seriously doubt the QM would have it so that us spending so much on the reward of getting the process early just to fuck us over since that would be a dick move on his part honestly.
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Are you familiar with Dungeons and Dragons? There's a particular item in that game called the Deck of Many Things. The potential rewards are incredible.

You'll never get to enjoy them because drawing from the deck has an equal chance of, in no particular order, annihilating your character, destroying everything your character owns, summoning high level monsters that try and kill you, and getting your character's soul locked somewhere where the party has to go get it.

Having a Deck of Many Things in a DnD game is not a dick move, even when it results in a TPK, because everyone knows the rules going in.

And the fallout is hilarious.

That's the Process. Incredible potential rewards. Equally horrifying potential consequences. If you decide to draw from that deck then pick and a god and pray for mercy for the QM will have, and should have, none.
 
Well, I like the permanent items in the fate shop the most especially the last one. We are saving for that one right?
 
ConfusedPotato said:
Well, I like the permanent items in the fate shop the most especially the last one. We are saving for that one right?
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Oh yes. We should keep some points on hand for rerolls, but the Process is too good to pass up.

Though, I'd have thought the skill ups would be the actual Transistor USB drives, except instead of a USB stick inside they plug straight into the Transistor's pommel. DeSu2 ruined my ability to take the Akashic Records seriously.

z3r0gamer said:
Fredrick, that you?
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Let's just say that I went through a lot of avatars before settling on this and Freddiebear was one of the finalists.
 
Personally I just find it funny that you all think a hundred hands connected by many physically impossible means to a metal cube, gently cradling a wooden case uncannily shaped like a brain is in any way the slightest bit trustworthy.

It is, but honestly, I just expected more paranoia about it. You people seem to switch between tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists and the kid who actually goes up to the white van with free candy hastily written on the side, and that just cracks me up for some reason.

Look, the Process is a problem to deal with when they're around to deal with. Right now, you don't even know they exist.

Unless you've got a plan to grab 140 Fate Points anytime soon, or you go the fuck to sleep, it really is not a discussion that's you need to worry about right now.

Deal with your plan for dealing with the self-improving Von Neumann machines when you actually create them.
Adhoc vote count started by Prok on Sep 18, 2017 at 3:57 PM, finished with 999 posts and 23 votes.
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Personally I just find it funny that you all think a hundred hands connected by many physically impossible means to a metal cube, gently cradling a wooden case uncannily shaped like a brain is in any way the slightest bit trustworthy.
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I actually have two retorts to this!
1. This is par for course for anyone familiar with Planescape, Numenera, K6BD (okay bad example), or (J)RPGs beyond Tales and Final Fantasy.
2. How often do you see supposedly intelligent characters and players believing things they learn from sources that are real bad news? This goes all the way back to goddamn Greek mythology, I swear to god it's literally built in to our narrative expectations that Bad Guys are to be listened to, even over the people on "your" side.
My secret answer 3. It's meta canon the normal shadowrunning rules don't apply.

Prok said:
or you go the fuck to sleep
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fascinating eyebrow

Prok said:
Deal with your plan for dealing with the self-improving Von Neumann machines when you actually create them.
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Soooo it's more like the midseason upgrade?
 
Prok said:
Personally I just find it funny that you all think a hundred hands connected by many physically impossible means to a metal cube, gently cradling a wooden case uncannily shaped like a brain is in any way the slightest bit trustworthy.

It is, but honestly, I just expected more paranoia about it. You people seem to switch between tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists and the kid who actually goes up to the white van with free candy hastily written on the side, and I just find that super funny for some reason.

Look, the Process is a problem to deal with when they're around to deal with. Right now, you don't even know they exist.

Unless you've got a plan to grab 140 Fate Points anytime soon, or you go the fuck to sleep, it really is not a discussion that's you need to worry about right now.

Deal with your plan for dealing with the self-improving Von Neumann machines when you actually create them.
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Hey, never said it was not dangerous just that people seem to be blowing it way over propertion which is actually a problem in some quests that have irrational fear of some technology based on a few samples of fiction which annoy the crap out of me. Not to say that there wasn't some rationale behind the fears, just that at a point it became irrational to the point of fear mongering in some cases to make it so that the tech never gets used. Probably won't go that far but really worried that we are just going to end up not inventing the process until after the epilogue or even not at all. Also assuming that Jaune would be genre savy in handling it and that we would have a good understanding of how dangerous it is.

Also kind of relevant at the moment even if we can't buy it since we still need to save points to get it and if people don't want to get it early then I don't see them being willing to hold onto points to get them.
 
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1000TH POST BABY WOOOOOOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOO-

... Ahem.

So far, Ada's interlude is in the lead, followed closely by Creme's, then The Nobody. Saff and Emi are ahead of Salem and Theodosia, while Lumen and Teal are just kind of bopping about at the bottom of the pile.

I'm a bit surprised that the lovebirds aren't in the top three. People showing interest in the girls and the mystery option is a pleasant surprise though!
Adhoc vote count started by Prok on Oct 24, 2017 at 10:38 AM, finished with 55 posts and 23 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Prok on Oct 24, 2017 at 10:38 AM, finished with 55 posts and 23 votes.
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