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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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- Australia
You certainly have a point, but maybe it'll be worth it? Titans with Dark Age tech will be extremely useful on the battlefield. They will destroy many of our enemies, preventing our enemies from killing our own forces in turn. The AM savings from having less our military assets destroyed may pay back some of the costs. Titans would also be especially useful in conjunction with Frederick's Paragon trait.
HanEmpire
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Eh, can't really see it. With the Forge-Hive construction reform Scott will be able to promote the Progressive faction into a position of unassailable power. How is that less important than the Titan upgrade? Note that we don't have enough industry to build more after the one is upgraded.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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And unless they are all knight aces like Sigurd we're going to be loosing them at an unsustainable rate.
Because upgrade will get us the Titanicus and the Titanicus gets us more of the military.
Doesn't matter if the forge masters have nice cities if the people in charge of defending them turn up and shoot them in the back of the head.
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- madison
I'm honestly no super sure. the titan would be a hero unit in it's own right on top of being a colossal scale unit. It would be one hell of an ace in the hole
Aramis
An unwilling witness
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What I don't get is why are some posters arguing for the Titan to be done first. It's not as if it were a choice of either or, depending on how low are we willing to risk going with the Mech Unrest. If Sanctus is truely the messianic idol you profess it to be, then it can go later.
Plus, for those playing the Rule of Cool card, everyone knows the most climactic moment for it to be brought to the battlefield would be when things seem hopeless or that it becomes apparent that the conventional military just isn't enough, not decades before. Besides, how many decades does it take to create a new Titan? How many resources and Relic Material? We aren't prepared to resurrect the Legion just yet.
Plus, for those playing the Rule of Cool card, everyone knows the most climactic moment for it to be brought to the battlefield would be when things seem hopeless or that it becomes apparent that the conventional military just isn't enough, not decades before. Besides, how many decades does it take to create a new Titan? How many resources and Relic Material? We aren't prepared to resurrect the Legion just yet.
First you can only speculate on how many knights we will loose. So it kind of moots your point about Knights. Also titans while cool are expensive. We need AM production first before we expand. We are incredible low on AM production.
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One very important part of the reform is that the conservative faction will have to take advantage of the changes to keep up in terms of sheer size in order to survive, if only progressive parts of the admech recognize and work at secular built and defended forges then the dozens of new forges over our new worlds would make the conservative faction irrelevant in the long term so the conservatives will have to become even more progressive themselves to remain relevant.
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We have several other counters to Gargants - Knights, various sized tanks with anti-Titan weaponry, the Sentinel Titan-Killer, Deathstrikes, etc. And the scope isn't nearly as great in terms of effect, since it by and large would only affect the portions of the AdMech that can actually build Titans.
We'd still need a vast amount of AM and EM to build any significant number of Titans, and likely a large amount of Scott's time as well. (building a single Warlord would likely be comparable time-wise to building an Adjudicator or a Flying Fortress, so don't expect vast legions quickly)
Sure, it's a hero unit. One that can only be in one place at a time. The increase to AM, EM, and RM we can expect to get from the bigger Forges will be enough to affect things in several places at once due to our armies having better equipment as a whole.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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Economy over hero unit.
Economy means we can make more hero units later.
Economy means we can make more hero units later.
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You can't make hero units.
ArchAIngel
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No but you CAN supply them with tons of cool gear and troops equipped with even more cool gear.
Hero units are great and all, but what wins wars is logistics and manpower. Hero units act as force multipliers, but right now we need more AM/EM/RM production.
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- Reno Nv
[X] Enjou
Lets try to gain back our AM,EM, and Thrones back to a reasonable level first, then go for the shinies.
Lets try to gain back our AM,EM, and Thrones back to a reasonable level first, then go for the shinies.
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- Brazil, Minas gerais
[X] Plan Enjou T95
I almost forgot to vote.
I almost forgot to vote.
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- Berkeley
Getting back to you on a few issues.
First, the vast majority of the the admech cities we're going to be upgrading are small hive size, not large hive size. Add in Edwin's ability to lower construction costs by 25% and the defensive upgrades at the very least should be affordable if not spamable. Plus, our first admech action probably be the much, much cheaper expansion and upgrade of our last planet-side Forge city.
Second, the 'wasted' education actions. Our base success chance on the educational reviews is like 18%, in part thanks to Edwin's abysmal learning stat. Doubling it more than doubles its likelihood of succeeding on the first try. The reason why I feel that even with a poor base success chance the review is worth spamming is because (1) bare failure should give it a +20 to next attempt, (2) the small boost in educational bonus affects an awful lot of production and scales very well with basically any further production modifiers we can get, and (3) improving our educational system is likely to have intangible benefits, from extra learning/admin skill for people who come up through it to better military education and an increased ability to capitalize on any concessions the admech is willing to make.
Third, on AM conservation actions. A major part of the reason our AM income has atrophied is because of replacing our losses from the current campaign. As such, given that we've succeeded in shattering the remaining coordinated resistance, I'd expect the last nine years of fighting to end up costing us significantly less there. Thus, basing our expectations going forward on our AM income continuing to drop at the same rate it has for the past few turns seems unwarranted.
Looking back at Durin's statements, it looks like I was mis-remembering the specifics about there being direct blow-back for us not putting a major number of admin actions on Mechanicus upgrade/expansion. That said, the actual statement is still concerning:
With infrastructure being a 'major issue', I could easily see failing to adequately focus our own resources on it (to the extent of two action slots a year every year) as bringing a similar level of unhappiness. Also, the converse—devoting more time/resources to infrastructure upgrades than the admech could by itself—seems like it could help dampen the negative reaction. Which is very important given that this action alone will put us at 5/10 unrest. Plus, it would allow Scott to spend more actions upgrading our AM/EM/RM production options, which both helps solve lingering issues with our economy there as well as allowing her to significantly improve her prestige and the progressive agenda through selective promotions.
Finally, upgrading Dis. Yeah, it's damn expensive in terms of AM, which sucks. However, it's also something that just plain needs to happen before the Orks wake up, and I do NOT want to risk what happens if we're two years into the defensive upgrade and the Orks wake up early.
Side note: in retrospect, aligning Scott and Tranth's actions so that the Titan work can be done next turn isn't really necessary, as deliberately putting ourselves at 7/10 unrest just seems like a bad idea, especially with no way to bleed unrest. In that case, could you shift the Tranth option to upgrading one of the grav-accelerator options? Upgrading the spinal grav-accelerator to have 50% more kick would do wonders against enemy Hulks (which have traditionally been a real problem), and the nova cannon option would really help with clearing out chaff escorts.
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- Hawaii
[X] Plan Enjou T95
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- USA NYC
How about Pyromancy Order focused on mass destruction effects? Good for shattering armys and thier infastrcture. An order of Psykers who specialize in nukeing and AOE attacks.
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- Brazil, Minas gerais
A order of Synergism? some of their greatest conquest occurred when they add their might to tech, to people, to armies, etc. So a group to discover and to Strengthened effects would be wonderful (plus I want to see song + runes + everything else, look like)
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- The Void
[X] Plan Enjou T95
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- USA NYC
An Order for Support Biomancy both healing and enhancement founded by Odysseus. That would reduce casualites and act as a force multiplier to our Avernite elites. Would also help with not dying from Wildlife attacks.