The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

Husr · Tuesday at 1:58 PM

Alpaca27 said:
There's no replacing of Gwayne, he's literally just being considered for promotion. Did you read the chapter?

And I'm pretty sure that Daemon hearing about what we said, will absolutely care because it is explicitly our own words and influence on our father that would get Gwayne the job. Which is why Otto is asking us for it.

And again, deniable hearsay? Viserys is talking about this shit with Daemon right now, which is why Daemon's guy will get picked. And Viserys has literally no reason not to mention how great Rhaenyra's friendship is with Gwayne.

Teen Spirit said:
With Daemon's return, he's pushed for the interim head of the city watch to be removed,"

That's Gwayne, whom Daemon is pushing to remove.

Teen Spirit said:
But I worry Daemon will push for someone aligned with his interests."

Teen Spirit said:
"I can't make Gwayne commander of the City Watch," you argued. "You know I don't have that power."

Teen Spirit said:
"You can write a letter to your father explaining how Gwayne has performed his duties in the city watch excellently though," Otto insisted. "And that you believe he would make an excellent fit for commanding the Gold Cloaks. Daemon's not going to allow such a thing of course, but your letter will help prevent Gwayne from being pushed out and ideally keep my son in your father's thoughts when Daemon's pick inevitably screws up."

Gwayne is out as interim commander, that's essentually done and dusted, considering even Otto sees it as inevitable. Otto wants to avoid him being pushed out entirely, and make sure that he's next in line after the inevitable Daemon shenanigans ensure that his pick needs to be replaced.

The conversation now, or letter, both of which would say essentially the same thing, are to sing Gwaynes praises enough to avoid him being completely removed and keep him in Viserys' thoughts. If we write a letter saying that and Daemon gets wind of it, suddenly Gwayne is an obstacle to him. Very different from Viserys asking him to avoid firing Gwayne entirely, which will look like it was at Otto's prompting even if we played a role. It's, at worst, exactly as dangerous as the letter, with a good chance that it can accomplish the same thing while keeping our hands clean (which is why Otto wants it in writing) and keeping Gwayne and ourselves out of danger.

iggyfan · Tuesday at 2:01 PM

[X] [The City] Investigate the Screams
[X] [The City] Relax in a Bar

Hercobulus · Tuesday at 2:03 PM

Let's tell him the septa's robes are a bonus

Husr · Tuesday at 2:09 PM

Hercobulus said:
Let's tell him the septa's robes are a bonus

Honestly, this raises some interesting questions about canon Rhaenhra's motives for choosing the particular plan she did to talk to Alicent before Rook's Rest.

Wea111 · Tuesday at 2:10 PM

Hercobulus said:
Let's tell him the septa's robes are a bonus

[JK] [Otto] Tell Otto that if he doesn't agree to her terms immediately Rhaenyra will schedule weekly meetings with him where she describes exactly what she wants to do to Alicent in septa robes until he gives in.

Alpaca27 · Tuesday at 2:13 PM

Husr said:
That's Gwayne, whom Daemon is pushing to remove

Since when was he interim head?

Teen Spirit said:
I will suggest to your father that we entrust the decision of who should be the new Commander of the Dragon Gate to you in your role as heiress. You will be given a list of qualified candidates, one of which will be my son Gwayne."

He is the leader of a single entrance. Still a prestigious position, but why would Rhaenyra go out of her way to say she can't make Gwayne the Captain if she had already easily made him temporary Captain before?

Wea111 said:
To justify the write in a little more, I think it may make Otto respect us a little more. Right now it's

"Here! I got you a big gift, now give me your daughter!"

"Only if you do this."

"Sure!"

Which doesn't exactly do much to go against the perspective that Otto has of us as a blunt but confusing wildcard. Engaging in a little negotiation with his request makes us seem a bit more like what he's used to.

So the alternative to make Rhaenyra seem like a badass is
"You want me to support your son for the Gold Cloaks Commander...no, instead I'll go to my father in person and tell him to support Gwayne, then keep your son close to me for a year."
"...okay Princess, you've twisted my arm.

Husr · Tuesday at 2:22 PM

Adhoc vote count started by Husr on May 6, 2025 at 2:21 PM, finished with 78 posts and 36 votes.

[otto] [thecity] [x] Default

Total voters in this category

31
20 people have voted
[X] [Otto] Stick with the Septa Plan, Agree to Write the Letter.
- Somic
- SoaringJe
- Alpaca27
- Lord of Sturgia
- Theonetruelordke
- tygerbright
- UrbanAvena
- Shador
- Ghost in the sun
- A58
- Bruhmoment
- Zimmerwald1915
- Random Member
- Rat King
- Parzival95
- Mystic Pentagram
- Falliant
- Book Jockey
- Fanhunter696
- No7sHere
9 people have voted
[X] [Otto] Express fear that writing down a letter could put a target on Gwaynes back. You know Daemon would be reckless enough to go after him in order to keep control of the city watch. Offer to speak to Viserys expressing the same sentiments, and offer Gwayne a place at your side for the interim as a show of good faith.
- Husr
- Wea111
- Temes1066
- CharlieKing
- HeWhoLurks
- Agent X20
- A_Somebody
- PrimalShadow
- FallenDawn
1 people have voted
[X] [Otto] [X] Express fear that writing down a letter could put a target on Gwaynes back. You know Daemon would be reckless enough to go after him in order to keep control of the city watch. Offer to speak to Viserys expressing the same sentiments, and offer Gwayne a place at your side for the interim as a show
- TheBarrometer
1 people have voted
[X] [Otto] Agree to let Otto marry off Alicent in Ten Years.
- Mars
Total voters in this category

32
27 people have voted
[X] [The City] Investigate the Screams
- Somic
- SoaringJe
- Alpaca27
- Lord of Sturgia
- Theonetruelordke
- tygerbright
- UrbanAvena
- Ghost in the sun
- A58
- Bruhmoment
- Zimmerwald1915
- Mystic Pentagram
- Falliant
- Book Jockey
- Husr
- Wea111
- Temes1066
- CharlieKing
- HeWhoLurks
- Boss Tweed
- Toaster cult
- iggyfan
- Agent X20
- Mars
- mrsean22
- Fanhunter696
- No7sHere
21 people have voted
[X] [The City] Relax in a Bar
- Somic
- SoaringJe
- Alpaca27
- Lord of Sturgia
- Theonetruelordke
- tygerbright
- UrbanAvena
- Random Member
- Rat King
- Parzival95
- TheBarrometer
- Husr
- Wea111
- Temes1066
- CharlieKing
- HeWhoLurks
- Boss Tweed
- Toaster cult
- iggyfan
- Mars
- A_Somebody
5 people have voted
[X] [The City] Shop The Markets
5 people have voted
[X] [The City] Take Part in the Horse Races
4 people have voted
[X] [The City] Take in a Magic Show
Total voters in this category

1
1 people have voted
[X] [Otto] [X] Express fear that writing down a letter could put a target on Gwaynes back. You know Daemon would be reckless enough to go after him in order to keep control of the city watch. Offer to speak to Viserys expressing the same sentiments, and offer Gwayne a place at your side for the interim as a show
- TheBarrometer
Total voters in this category

1
1 people have voted
[X] Give no ground. You've done huge favors for Otto and will continue to do so. Is he really going to spit on your goodwill over a letter?
- Reyemile

@Reyemile @TheBarrometer
Looks like there's some formatting issues with your votes as currently written.

Randino Treviani · Tuesday at 2:24 PM

[X] [Otto] Stick with the Septa Plan, Agree to Write the Letter.

TheBarrometer · Tuesday at 2:42 PM

Husr said:
Looks like there's some formatting issues with your votes as currently written.

Should now be fixed, thanks for the headsup

Zimmerwald1915 · Tuesday at 3:15 PM

Husr said:
That's Gwayne, whom Daemon is pushing to remove.

No it isn't. Gwayne was appointed a gate captain on a permanent basis after we pushed for that appointment, and was never the overall watch commander, interim or otherwise.

The current interim commander was appointed to that post after Daemon fucked off to Dragonstone, before Gwayne was appointed to his current post of gate captain.

Daemon is currently pushing to replace the current, interim commander with one of his toadies, on a permanent basis. Otto is hoping Nyra will push for Gwayne to be named *that man's* replacement, when the time comes (by means of pushing that he be appointed now, but with the actual intent of his being appointed later).

Husr · Tuesday at 3:21 PM

Zimmerwald1915 said:
No it isn't. Gwayne was appointed a gate captain on a permanent basis

Useful correction, thanks! It doesn't really change anything, since either way this is all about the overall commander after Daemon's lickspittle is gone.

Definitely looks like we'll be backing Gwayne either way, since the combined Septa vote is beating the marriage option like 30 to 1. Just a question of whether it'll be in a letter as Otto asked or if we negotiate to do it verbally, unless the marriage or "stand your ground" options mount an incredible comeback.

Fehu · Tuesday at 3:29 PM

[X] [The City] Shop The Markets

MisRAR1 · Tuesday at 3:43 PM

[X] [Otto] Stick with the Septa Plan, Agree to Write the Letter.

[X] [The City] Take in a Magic Show
[X] [The City] Investigate the Screams

TigerBoyd · Tuesday at 3:48 PM

[X] [Otto] Stick with the Septa Plan, Agree to Write the Letter.

Magnos III · Tuesday at 3:57 PM

Well, somebody better pick up that phone...

Magnos III said:
Any power we give him, any at all, will be abused. No ifs, no buts, no maybes. Give him something, anything, and he will try his absolute best to take advantages for himself and for his family.

…because I fucking called it.

Fuck, thanks for this QM, seriously, I needed this today. In fact, excuse me for a second while I post the appropriated reaction:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSTN3mHEAOA

Okay, right, got this out of my system now on to the vote…

[X] [Otto] Give no ground. You've done huge favors for Otto and will continue to do so. Is he really going to spit on your goodwill over a letter?

We, by this asshole admission, have done immense favors to House Hightower. Fuck we have gone out of our way to help his family and he fucking dares to ask for more?!

Fuck. No.

I know for a fact that I'm losing this vote but I don't care, this Rhaenyra is supposed to be Defiant and this Thread is in seriously need to grow a fucking spine and stop accepting everything people ask of us with their heads down. Otto needs to be put in his place.

As for the other vote…

[X] [The City] Take in a Magic Show
[X] [The City] Shop The Markets

No particular logic, just think it would be cool to see some magic or find some cool items.

Tallhart · Tuesday at 3:58 PM

[X] [Otto] Stick with the Septa Plan, Agree to Write the Letter.
[X] [The City] Take in a Magic Show
[X] [The City] Investigate the Screams

Wea111 · Tuesday at 4:42 PM

Magnos III said:
Well, somebody better pick up that phone...

…because I fucking called it.

Fuck, thanks for this QM, seriously, I needed this today. In fact, excuse me for a second while I post the appropriated reaction:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSTN3mHEAOA

Okay, right, got this out of my system now on to the vote…

[X] [Otto] Give no ground. You've done huge favors for Otto and will continue to do so. Is he really going to spit on your goodwill over a letter?

We, by this asshole admission, have done immense favors to House Hightower. Fuck we have gone out of our way to help his family and he fucking dares to ask for more?!

Fuck. No.

I know for a fact that I'm losing this vote but I don't care, this Rhaenyra is supposed to be Defiant and this Thread is in seriously need to grow a fucking spine and stop accepting everything people ask of us with their heads down. Otto needs to be put in his place.

As for the other vote…

[X] [The City] Take in a Magic Show
[X] [The City] Shop The Markets

No particular logic, just think it would be cool to see some magic or find some cool items.

Yeah I'm with you. I was trying for a compromise but apparently when it comes to Alicent votes it just ends with everyone giving in regardless of even Alicent's views on the matter. In literally her last conversation with us she said that she didn't want us doing massive political moves just to make things easier for her. But literally 2 chapters later we're putting ourselves at odds with Daemon and trying to give Gwayne even more power on top of the massive favors we've already done. Apparently when anything to do with Alicent comes up we become an obedient lapdog.

[X] [Otto] Give no ground. You've done huge favors for Otto and will continue to do so. Is he really going to spit on your goodwill over a letter?

Like you say it won't win but neither will anything else.

I guess like father, like daughter. When faced with a problem to do with someone we love our approach is to give over everything and hope the problem goes away.

Rat King · Tuesday at 5:09 PM

Gwayne is also Our Guy, though, so I don't really see the objection.

Quetzalcoatl · Tuesday at 5:12 PM

Yeah Gwayne would die if he became commander of the city watch. There are plenty in the watch that are still loyal to Daemon all they need to do is get Gwayne in dark alley and let him get stabbed. They either do it themselves or pay someone else to do it and report on the tragic event.

This could be an opportunity for Rhaenyra her self to ask for the position of commander of the city watch. Daemon for all that he's batshit insane isn't likely to have Rhaenyra kill if she took the his old post. He'd make verbal jabs and try to make her job harder but he won't have her killed.

[X] [The City] Investigate the Screams
Because Rhaenyra is a knight of course she's going to go look to see if someone needs help

gRrr · Tuesday at 5:13 PM

[X] [Otto] Stick with the Septa Plan, Agree to Write the Letter.
[X] [The City] Take in a Magic Show
[X] [The City] Investigate the Screams

Zimmerwald1915 · Tuesday at 5:27 PM

I'm sympathetic to camp "give him nothing," but their write-in *also* fails to state a preference for making Alicent a septa or settling for a long bachelorettehood and thus fails on its face.

Wea111 · Tuesday at 5:38 PM

Zimmerwald1915 said:
I'm sympathetic to camp "give him nothing," but their write-in *also* fails to state a preference for making Alicent a septa or settling for a long bachelorettehood and thus fails on its face.

We gave what we wanted going into this. Otto gets his man as top 10 most eligible nepotism story. We get Alicent in the Sept. That hasn't changed.

Quetzalcoatl · Tuesday at 5:39 PM

Also I feel like this is something the Rhaenyra needs to talk to Alicent about. This is why I figured offering to give Alicent land directly would have made things easier overall. Land is wealth and power of the generational sort Otto would have accepted that. He might have still asked for the letter but he would know he couldn't push it if Rhaenyra said no.

FallenDawn · Tuesday at 6:01 PM

Quetzalcoatl said:
Also I feel like this is something the Rhaenyra needs to talk to Alicent about. This is why I figured offering to give Alicent land directly would have made things easier overall. Land is wealth and power of the generational sort Otto would have accepted that. He might have still asked for the letter but he would now he couldn't push it if Rhaenyra said no.

I don't think that's a good idea. Because when Rhaenyra is queen, Who's land are we taking it from? No lord or lady will allow this. We would need a damn good reason to take away land. And unfortunately I don't think peake did enough to warrant such.

Eternal_0bserver · Tuesday at 6:02 PM

[X] [Otto] Stick with the Septa Plan, Agree to Write the Letter.

[X] [Otto] Express fear that writing down a letter could put a target on Gwaynes back. You know Daemon would be reckless enough to go after him in order to keep control of the city watch. Offer to speak to Viserys expressing the same sentiments, and offer Gwayne a place at your side for the interim as a show of good faith.

As we discussed, we should try to gain more influence with the city watch. This may make Gwayne's position more precarious, but it would likely have happened anyway. We should talk to him about this whole situation, though.

[X] [The City] Take in a Magic Show.
[X] [The City] Investigate the Screams.

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