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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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A58 said:
We could probably do it in some other way.
With our winning we should do something commemorative for us.
A tapestry of our victory and knighting
A nice armor.
An statue of us
Something like that.

We can arrange for the leftovers of out marriage party to be given to the poor's and other activities that show how pious we are. Viserys will be happy to pay the bill.

About our relation with the faith, it would be good if they expanded on the doctrine of exceptionalism.
We can say since we are closer to god, we are blessed by the father and warrior so regular rules do not apply to us. Ergo we can do male stuff without much fuss.
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I'd rather not blow a small fortune on pure self-aggrandizement. And if we want any benefits from publicly giving to charity, we should actually be seen doing so instead of just handing out the table scraps.
Zimmerwald1915 said:
What great sept was there in King's Landing between Maegor's burning of the Sept of Remembrance and the completion of the Great Sept (capitalized) after Baelor's death?
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There's bee one Sept built on Visenya's Hill and then later the Sept of Remembrance on Rhaeny's Hill after her death. Maegor only burned the latter, while the former still survived until it was either replaced or superseded by the Great Sept of Baelor being also built on Visenya's Hill.
 
Azel said:
I'd rather not blow a small fortune on pure self-aggrandizement
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Eh we just became the first woman knight in Westerosi known history. A lifetime achievement !
It's not self aggrandizement if is a lifetime achievement.

Azel said:
And if we want any benefits from publicly giving to charity, we should actually be seen doing so instead of just handing out the table scraps.
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Don't know if charity will stick with us, we are too deviant. Woman's court though, I can see we doing and making it stick. It would also associate us to the role of the ruler which is good.
 
While it would likely be small compared to what they need perhaps we could use the winnings to either buy supplies for the watch directly or set up a trust that will invest/make loans and use the interest to provide a permeant trickle of supplies to the Watch. If we advertise it well enough we might start a trend in the nobility and get them all doing it.
 
The best way to flaunt your knighthood is by doing knightly and pious things. Like winning tourneys and showing honorable behavior.

Humbleness is big part of that. Nobody likes a braggart, even if you have the skills to back up your big mouth. Just look at Daemon.
 
A58 said:
Don't know if charity will stick with us, we are too deviant. Woman's court though, I can see we doing and making it stick. It would also associate us to the role of the ruler which is good.
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The woman court was held by Queen Alysanne - who was the Queen Consort, not the Queen Regnant. Holding women's courts in her tradition would put us in a disadvantageous gender role.

Meanwhile, in that regard of gender roles, charity is actually pretty great. It is something that some highborn ladies heavily focus on (...mostly because they have no other means of being active themselves...), so it won't cause offence, but on the other hand it isn't solely female-coded, and giving to charity is something that even rulers can do.
 
It's not cool to comission a statue of yourself, the key is to be so impressive that others make statues of you of their own accord.

On the subject of your winnings, I will note there's a lot you can do with it. Order new armor, get gifts for various people, give to charity, open up soup kitchens, decorate your new boat, armor your dragon, etc.
 
Teen Spirit said:
It's not cool to comission a statue of yourself, the key is to be so impressive that others make statues of you of their own accord.

On the subject of your winnings, I will note there's a lot you can do with it. Order new armor, get gifts for various people, give to charity, open up soup kitchens, decorate your new boat, armor your dragon, etc.
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We could build a statues of all the current living dragon riders though. Our personal statue wouldn't be the biggest statue with that many people to cover, but it would let us commission a statue of ourselves without seeming crass, be a show of targarian solidarity, and make Viserys happy.
 
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Randino Treviani said:
We could build a statues of all the current living dragon riders though. Our personal statue wouldn't be the biggest statue with that many people to cover, but it would let us commission a statue of ourselves without seeming crass, be a show of targarian solidarity, and make Viserys happy.
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If we do this we need Daemon statue to be a secret Jab that will irks him personally.
 
[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him

Lord Beesbury is the GOAT. Lyonel is great and all, but canon Beesbury fucking slaps and we deserve to let him add to his already fucking top tier resume. One of the strongest competitors for "best Master of Coin" in canon and he was the only member of the small council loyal to Rhaenyra
 
Azel said:
I'd rather not blow a small fortune on pure self-aggrandizement. And if we want any benefits from publicly giving to charity, we should actually be seen doing so instead of just handing out the table scraps.
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Susano said:
Meanwhile, in that regard of gender roles, charity is actually pretty great. It is something that some highborn ladies heavily focus on (...mostly because they have no other means of being active themselves...), so it won't cause offence, but on the other hand it isn't solely female-coded, and giving to charity is something that even rulers can do.
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Azel said:
One of the things we could do with our tourney winnings to to donate to the Great Sept in King's Landing to feed the poor. Especially during winter, that should get us both some good reputation with the smallfolk and the faith.
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Honestly, since people tend to have a short memory, instead of "donating the money to feed the poor this winter" it would be much better to create a series of soup kitchens to do the same, even if it is in a smaller scale, so that relief will be mantained through the years... It is less glamorous and won't give us as many brownie points with the FoS, but it will maintain Rhanyra's reputation as charitable more consistently and for longer among the KL smallfolk...
Teen Spirit said:
You could do a painting for that.
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And we can ask the hubby to paint us with our family to save us some money...

By the way, @Teen Spirit, how good is Qooren as a painter? Just pretty good or a master of the craft?
 
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Teen Spirit said:
It's not cool to comission a statue of yourself, the key is to be so impressive that others make statues of you of their own accord.
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Favorable great works of art can be invaluable as propaganda, from Aeneid to the Bayeux Tapestry to Shakepeare's histories. We know this is true in Westeros too, with songs especially. Consider what the Reynes of Castamere did for Tywin Lannister in solidifying and weaponizing his reputation, for example. Failing to keep track of this stuff was a big part of why Tyrion couldn't hold onto any power after the Blackwater. But it blunts the impact when you're so gauche as to commission it directly. Patronizing the arts, however?

You don't pay the singer to write a song about you, you fund his passion projects and lifestyle, and he writes one for you in gratitude. A good song can catch on far and wide, at all levels of the social hierarchy. It lets you contest the prevailing wisdom against you and replace it with your own narrative.

It didn't occur to me until writing this up, but that could be an interesting use for the tournament winnings. Charity has obvious beneficial qualities in the same arena as well, but it doesn't have to be a mutually exclusive thing. In fact, charity pairs very well with any narrative the singers might be spreading on our behalf. There's certainly ample material to work with so far, what with a warrior princess who conquered Dorne through marriage, the mystery knight of the great northern tourney, the capable heir.

I suspect that Alicent might like it too, showing more of a sensitive artistic side.
 
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Fanhunter696 said:
Honestly, since people tend to have a short memory, instead of "donating the money to feed the poor this winter" it would be much better to create a series of soup kitchens to do the same, even if it is in a smaller scale, so that relief will be mantained through the years... It is less glamorous and won't give us as many brownie points with the FoS, but it will maintain Rhanyra's reputation as charitable more consistently and for longer among the KL smallfolk...
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Consistently running a soup kitchen requires consistent funding though. Our tourney winnings won't last forever, no matter how small we make the operation.
 
Azel said:
Consistently running a soup kitchen requires consistent funding though. Our tourney winnings won't last forever, no matter how small we make the operation.
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Rhaenyra is already getting regular income as Lady of Dragonstone, and she is very likely getting a significant increase of her income due to getting a cut out of the RTA...

So I think that we can use this extra money to set the soup kitchens, and a small part of our regular income to maintain them...
 
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Yeah, I'm in favor of that. Running a soup kitchen in every city we got an RTA office with a part of the profits is an easy way to be seen as doing lasting good and it makes it harder for local lords to agitate against us. The small folk gives no shits about highborn money squabbles, but they'll be supportive of the one person who makes sure they've got a full belly.
 
Azel said:
Yeah, I'm in favor of that. Running a soup kitchen in every city we got an RTA office with a part of the profits is an easy way to be seen as doing lasting good and it makes it harder for local lords to agitate against us. The small folk gives no shits about highborn money squabbles, but they'll be supportive of the one person who makes sure they've got a full belly.
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Tfw we make our own action chain (sounds like a solid idea to me)
 
Husr said:
Favorable great works of art can be invaluable as propaganda, from Aeneid to the Bayeux Tapestry to Shakepeare's histories. We know this is true in Westeros too, with songs especially. Consider what the Reynes of Castamere did for Tywin Lannister in solidifying and weaponizing his reputation, for example. Failing to keep track of this stuff was a big part of why Tyrion couldn't hold onto any power after the Blackwater. But it blunts the impact when you're so gauche as to commission it directly. Patronizing the arts, however?
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Azel said:
Yeah, I'm in favor of that. Running a soup kitchen in every city we got an RTA office with a part of the profits is an easy way to be seen as doing lasting good and it makes it harder for local lords to agitate against us. The small folk gives no shits about highborn money squabbles, but they'll be supportive of the one person who makes sure they've got a full belly.
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I´m in favor of both patronizing the Arts and funding some soup kitchens with a part of our income and part of our earning in the RTA. We need to build some grandeur around us.
That said, i still firmly believe that we should use the tournament winnings on something for us. Maybe decorating our ship ? A set of armor(even if on the more decorative side) would be awesome because as far i know the armor we have is " mishmash" of different sets and not one made specifically for us. Tapestries would also be a good if bold choice, we did make history after all.
 
A58 said:
I´m in favor of both patronizing the Arts and funding some soup kitchens with a part of our income and part of our earning in the RTA. We need to build some grandeur around us.
That said, i still firmly believe that we should use the tournament winnings on something for us. Maybe decorating our ship ? A set of armor(even if on the more decorative side) would be awesome because as far i know the armor we have is " mishmash" of different sets and not one made specifically for us. Tapestries would also be a good if bold choice, we did make history after all.
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Decorating the ship could have long term value as it would let us have a mobile diplomatic hub. A place we can hold court while away from Kings landing that doesn't require requesting a lord's hospitality. It's not suited for all situations but it's valuable for those it's suited for.
 
Azel said:
Yeah, I'm in favor of that. Running a soup kitchen in every city we got an RTA office with a part of the profits is an easy way to be seen as doing lasting good and it makes it harder for local lords to agitate against us. The small folk gives no shits about highborn money squabbles, but they'll be supportive of the one person who makes sure they've got a full belly.
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I am all for this, but I don't know if establishing a soup kitchen chain in every port with RTA presence, considering Westeros is still in early feudalism, and that the nobles in those ports may not agree iwith our obvious publicity stunt.

Besides that we have to make sure that any charity project is attributed to us, Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen, not the Crown, or House Targaryen... IIRC the Alchemist Nicholas Flamel funded a few homeless shelters and a soup kitchens in Paris, and the "price" that any of its users had to pay was a prayer for the soul and good health of him and his family..

A58 said:
That said, i still firmly believe that we should use the tournament winnings on something for us.
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Yeah I agree, the whole charity thing is great investment but let's see what options we have to spend our money, and spend some on ourselves, we have earned it.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
I am all for this, but I don't know if establishing a soup kitchen chain in every port with RTA presence, considering Westeros is still in early feudalism, and that the nobles in those ports may not agree iwith our obvious publicity stunt.
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See, that's why charity is a good angle. Giving money to the local Sept's and Begging Brothers, while funding soup kitchens is one of those things it's really hard to complain about without looking like an absolute tool in the process.
 
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