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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Teen Spirit said:
Negotiations will be an ongoing thing so you can absolutely still sound out other options while that's going on and just decline whatever offer Qoren makes at the end. You can't negotiate formally while actual negotiations are taking place though.
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Extra consideration that can be pro and con. That if we continue with Qoren right now the matter of others marriage negotiation will be more private and discrete allowing us to may be more personally sound out other candidate.
 
[X] Take His Hand (Begin Marriage Negotiations With Qoren Martell)
Im guessing the unspoken issue is that he wants to have a lover of his own and how public he is with his affair might rattle the arrangement.
Or otherwise he wants dragons for his own house or something but we'll see
 
[X] Take His Hand (Begin Marriage Negotiations With Qoren Martell)

I get that there are many, many possible downsides in marrying Qoren, but I just really, really liked him this update.
 
Teen Spirit said:
"Songs of Dorne, of course," he said with a small smile while setting down the box on the table in between you, next to the bowl of dates, raisins and dried figs. "It would feel strange to gift you an instrument without a a few pieces to play on it, and this is my personal collection of songs that I wished to learn to play since my childhood."
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The real question is if this includes The Dornishman's Wife.
 
Politically, this match is hard to value. It has some very strong upsides, but also serious downsides. IMO this is a top-two option along with Leanor, but I know it is a topic that is easy to disagree on.

Personally, though? I don't see how someone else is beating this. Rhaenyra wants a bunch of things from a partner, and Qoren is hitting all of them:
  • He respects Rhaenyra, including her martial pursuits
  • He won't get in the way of Rhaenyra's relationship with Alicent
  • He is someone who Rhaenyra can have an actual romance with
Really, even when we look at Rhaenyra's qualms about the match, almost all of them are political:
Teen Spirit said:
Your heart hammered within your chest as you considered your options. In many ways, Qoren was everything you wanted from a husband. Accepting of Alicent, warm, romantic, a man who did not shame you for your skill with a blade. And yet did you want to get married right now? Did you really want a marriage that would enrage two entire kingdoms and cause so much grief and hassle for all involved? Did you really want at least one of your future children to carry the Martell name instead of your own?
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The only personal concern about him here is "did you want to get married right now?" - which is a not specific to Qoren, and also less of a problem than it seems given that the marriage negotiations would take considerable time.

Considering how much emphasis Rhaenyra has been placing on the personal, I can only vote
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[X] Take His Hand (Begin Marriage Negotiations With Qoren Martell)

Bring Dorne into the fold where a century of targaryens have failed *and* piss off Daemon while Viserys is still relatively healthy to help rein him in? Definitely seems like the obvious choice for an interesting story. Now that our heir status is fairly well shored up and personal goal with Alicent achieved, I think its a good time to move on to positioning ourselves for whatever Dance might come. Maybe it can still be averted, but if so, one, not sure it'd be as interesting a story even if it'd obviously be better for Rhaenyra and everyone in the realm, but two, also, Viserys will be key to making any kind of peace with Daemon so I think this is the time to go for it.



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PrimalShadow said:
The only personal concern about him here is "did you want to get married right now?" - which is a not specific to Qoren, and also less of a problem than it seems given that the marriage negotiations would take considerable time.
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To be fair, there's also another strong concern in a personal-political snarl: how does Rhaenyra "Terrified Of Pregnancy" Targaryen feel about the obligation to produce heirs and spares for two thrones instead of one? Not to mention Rhaenyra "Considers Her Strength (And, By Extent, Her Health) Part Of Her Identity" Targaryen. (And, to a smaller extent, Rhaenyra "Screw You, I'm Not A Broodmare" Targaryen - probably won't be a concern if she's married to someone she actually likes, but still).

And, well, dragonriders. Which on one hand looks like entirely a messy political issue, but on a personal level, it can't be easy to have the freedom of flight and deny it to your children. The Prince of Dorne would have the strongest position on needing heirs who bear his name, combined with the snarliest history with dragons.
 
[X] Take His Hand (Begin Marriage Negotiations With Qoren Martell)

The warrior princess who United the Kingdoms... Through marriage! Neat!
 
Somic said:
Not to mention Rhaenyra "Considers Her Strength (And, By Extent, Her Health) Part Of Her Identity" Targaryen. (And, to a smaller extent, Rhaenyra "Screw You, I'm Not A Broodmare" Targaryen - probably won't be a concern if she's married to someone she actually likes, but still).
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I mean this is show based not book based and we're physically already very different to canon Rhaenyra so we probably won't have the issue with pregnancy weight that book Rhaenyra does (she struggled to lose it, and because Patriarchy this was considered a moral failing of her).

That doesn't change the other issues with pregnancy and our prowess, but presumably one upside to a Dornish marriage is that Dorne might have enough warrior women to have tips and tricks.

Sadly none of it fixes the whole "dying in childbirth" thing... I wonder if we'll be rolling for that actually. Or the other issues.
 
TheBarrometer said:
I mean this is show based not book based and we're physically already very different to canon Rhaenyra so we probably won't have the issue with pregnancy weight that book Rhaenyra does (she struggled to lose it, and because Patriarchy this was considered a moral failing of her).
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Well, our Rhaenyra doesn't know about any of this anyway - she only knows that her own mother greatly suffered, grew weak from repeated pregnancies, and ultimately died in childbirth in a rather horrifying fashion - and only one of the children lived, Rhaenyra herself. That's the personal issue.

TheBarrometer said:
That doesn't change the other issues with pregnancy and our prowess, but presumably one upside to a Dornish marriage is that Dorne might have enough warrior women to have tips and tricks.
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Oh huh, nice idea! I hope we'll be able to make friends, or at least friendly acquaintances, with some Dornish women.

TheBarrometer said:
Sadly none of it fixes the whole "dying in childbirth" thing... I wonder if we'll be rolling for that actually. Or the other issues.
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...it would be actually hilarious (if upsetting) if the quest ended because of a bad labor roll :V
 
[X] Take His Hand (Begin Marriage Negotiations With Qoren Martell)
He definitely fits Rhaenyra's romance ambitions. Although, geopolitically...yeah this is gonna get messy.
 
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