I think my opinions on this are public record. Absolutely fantastic match on a personal level and the political side has much to offer if we put in the effort to make it work.

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Yeah, @Teen Spirit, could you comment on how "final" the decline will be? Could we have a "I am flattered and strongly considering this, but I would like time to consider" or similar
Come on, TS has said and keeps saying at every chance that we'll get plenty of opportunities before the final choice. Including right at the end of this update! I don't know if there's any way he can make this clearer.
You could refuse, you reminded yourself. If you didn't like the terms of whatever agreement your father made with Qoren, you could always refuse.
He has also said, or one of the characters said it I don't exactly remember which (same thing in this case), that negotiations would take time, and none more than with Qoren.

It's gonna be one big, prolonged headache, and we can say "actually this isn't acceptable" at any time before they're finalized, and our father (who is the one actually responsible for the negotiations and the final decision) has allowed us enough leeway in this that he'll listen.

I get the discomfort over leaning towards any particular choice early, but we've been told again and again in no uncertain terms that this is not yet final.
 
Ok, I suspect I am going to lose this vote and am strangely ok with it but

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My first pick remains Laenor. This would be my second pick so far, and if the ordering were different I might vote differently, it just is sad for me that I have to vote against my second pick in order to have a chance to vote for my first pick.
 
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I mean he's the Prince of Dorne and you invited him out here. You can't bring him all the way to King's Landing and then say "I'm considering it."

Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

But damnit, Rhaenyra! Political considerations are part of this. At least as for me, I am interested how the whole thing about names and entangled succession lines would play out, and Qoren's personal rizz be damned.
 
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It seems all of the Pro-Qorenites are forgetting:
  • The Dragon advantage provided by House Velaryon
  • The fact that the Reach and the Stormlands are heavily Anti-Dornish.
 
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This is not a final decision. Only one to start negotiations, refusing can be done up to the very end.
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In theory, of course. But that will come with headaches of their own. If negotiations are cancelled without good reason, major offense may be taken, which could drag Dorne into the Stepstones mess...
 
In my heart, I do still wish for a Gwayne marriage and to speak to the other candidates, but considering this option is final.

Qoren's words imply conflict between us and Daemon if we go through with this marriage in order to protect our would be husband's lands.

As the self proclaimed number one Daemon hater, that prospect sounds juicy, it would also be deeply ironic and please my hate filled heart if Daemon, in attempting to conquer Dorne to gain glory, drove Dorne into our arms and gave US the glory of bringing them into the fold.

Also possible loophole people aren't considering, accepting means negotiations start, and Teen has stated that if we don't like the terms presented we can refuse a marriage, so for the ones who have their eye on another prize, it might be an oxymoronic way of kicking the stone down the road and providing time for discussion with the other options.

Of course that's just conjecture so who knows if it happens that way, and either way, strong husband and getting one over Daemon? Yes please.

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Yes, and it is bloody working on me.
Mood, honestly. He is one exceptionally charming man. Though this is still Azel's Qoren and I was hoping for Teen Spirit's.

BUT I am still of the firm opinion that we should talk with all our prospective husbands before commiting, so it is a tough one...
I'm pretty sure this is impossible, given that Laenor has been dispatched to the Stepstones and we are not going there. In fact, other than talking to Laenor (which is impossible), I think we've done our due diligence. We've heard from Gwayne and Qoren directly. Rhaenys didn't hard-sell her spawn and Lyonel outright dissuaded us from his (he pushed for Laenor but if the update is anything to go by his balance sheet wasn't persuasive). Daddy thinks highly of the Martell match. Johanna's pushing a dark horse we've never considered and will not consider. Randyll's pushing Gwayne. Alicent can work with Qoren, without the weird incestuous vibes that would follow a Gwayne match. What more do we need to know?

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This honey-potting son of a bitch, reeling me uh, I mean Rhaenyra in before we can even meet and talk to Laenor.

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I will say you guys will have a chance before negotiations begin to let Viserys know your position on various matters of a marriage agreement. You can't dictate terms persay but you can make clear you consider certain issues important.

Mood, honestly. He is one exceptionally charming man. Though this is still Azel's Qoren and I was hoping for Teen Spirit's.
It was both. Though admittedly fairly more Azel's then mine.
 
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Not because it's the safest or most "optimal", but because it's the most interesting thing we can do. There has never been a more powerful level of "fuck it, we ball" going on
 
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@Teen Spirit If we started Qoren negotiation now, can we still approach, consider, and negotiate with other candidate while Qoren one is ongoing? Or we can but it is generally frowned upon to do?
 
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Honestly I feel like we're not finding another match that balances ideal personality and power brought by the marriage so perfectly.
 
@Teen Spirit If we started Qoren negotiation now, can we still approach, consider, and negotiate with other candidate while Qoren one is ongoing? Or we can but it is generally frowned upon to do?
Negotiations will be an ongoing thing so you can absolutely still sound out other options while that's going on and just decline whatever offer Qoren makes at the end. You can't negotiate formally while actual negotiations are taking place though.
 
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