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Get Jinxed: A Tale of Mental Instability and Poor Decisions (Arcane/League of Legends)

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[x] Kill Sevika

Is this a personal "fuck you" and open declaration of war to the most influential man in Zaun? Yes. Will that come to haunt us in the future, between Silco's Shimmer cyborgs, bought enforcers and general sneakiness? Also yes.

But I felt like we had no choice ever since this turned into an open fight. Jinx has no problem with killing people, she's been trying to do it all her life. I can't imagine what I'd consider convincing IC reasons for her to balk now, against a hated enemy.

Which sucks greatly, because I freaking like Sevika.
 
Risk benefit analysis

Kill : the guilt weighs a little more on Caitlyn and Seraphina more and one of them blabs and getting parts for Jinx's weapons and time away from the kiramman manor free from adult supervision becomes harder to get. Possibly Silco doesn't learn Jinx survived, but that feels like a longshot. More likely just Jinx being taken more seriously by Benzo as an ally.

Benzo : less likely for guilt triggered exposure of our activities, Benzo may come up with some clever way to leverage a still breathing Sevika to his gain, balanced out against higher chance someone spots them or other people who work for Silco show up.


Spare: Much less guilt all around, Silco forgoes investigating immediately to get Sevika treated and get a direct outline of what happened from her. Depending on where Vi is she may overhear powder being mentioned by Sevika.

I'm not switching my vote just yet of course, but these are the outcomes I see as probable. However, it might be strategically wise to not waste time and clear the scene well ahead of Silco wondering what is taking so long.
 
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[X] Kill Sevika
We spare her, send her to jail. Then what? Silco breaks her out and she's going to be in a murderous rage after us. Jinx wasn't gentle with her, she quite literally nailed her fucking limbs to the floor. Not the type of defeat that enables Sevika to me redeemed, and if she can't be redeemed and turned against Silco why would we want her alive and free at all?

We get her to Benzo. He interrogates her for info and then kills her (because she was about to kill him and threatening his boy and i'm not going to assume Benzo is stupid before he gives me a reason to.), except it doesn't happen that way, she's still an adult and Jinx is a fucking preteen so she probably escapes us, or we kill her for real on accident when she starts to struggle (and that's worse for Jinx somehow, because of trauma i guess?).

If she escapes she's going to be a big fucking problem to put down again, since she's probably going to use Shimmer and stuff.

Also, yeah, she was going to kill Benzo. And was using Ekko agaisns't him (so much for not hurting kids ay?). Why do we want her alive (and causing troube in the future for Jinx), again? Nevermind she killed Powder's dad, no way she gets out of the consequences of that.

Kill your fucking enemies, people.
 
[x] Kill Sevika
Killing the grunts but not killing the much more responsible leader is the worst kinda hypocritical move. And let's not take the risk of moving her for no substantial gain. I really doubt she will talk.
 
Randino Treviani said:
Benzo : less likely for guilt triggered exposure of our activities, Benzo may come up with some clever way to leverage a still breathing Sevika to his gain, balanced out against higher chance someone spots them or other people who work for Silco show up.
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Benzo isn't staying, how can he leverage her when he won't be in the undercity and doesn't have the people to enforce any exchange?

Randino Treviani said:
Kill : the guilt weighs a little more on Caitlyn and Seraphina more and one of them blabs and getting parts for Jinx's weapons and time away from the kiramman manor free from adult supervision becomes harder to get. Possibly Silco doesn't learn Jinx survived, but that feels like a longshot. More likely just Jinx being taken more seriously by Benzo as an ally.
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I feel like these are massive assumptions in some cases. Jinx snuck out so she's likely to be watched closely after this anyway. Also assuming that they blab on what went on after sneaking off to Zaun and about Jinx's weapon has no foundation.

As for Vi learning of this from Silco. There are two assumptions we have to accept Vi staying with Silco and that this is a good thing. She won't just portray this as Jinx betraying Zaun and this won't cause Vi to make rash actions.

sekkonsif said:
We spare her, send her to jail.
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How? No way can Jinx carry her to Piltover. Sparing her is just letting her go back to Silco or bleed out in an ally.
 
Killing her will bring negative consequences, Sevika and gang came here to force Benzo to bend the knee, and that was Silco being nice, if she dies, he will escalate, and in this timeline there is no resistance yet to oppose him, barring the chembarons, who are worse than Silco in a way,.

Killing Sevika for self gratification is not worth the consequences that will happen down the line as it will alienate her friends, cause Silco to stop playing nice which will argurably make things worse than canon setting for not only Jinx and friends but for the inhabitants of Zaun.
Her mental stability will worsen, and the relationship between Powder and her friends won't be the same, not to mention
Seraphine can read souls and what it would do to her, plus metawise, Vi will still be alone with Silco.
So I ask is Powder's self gratification worth screwing herself and so many other people especially her sister woth it.?
 
Randino Treviani said:
I don't think Vi is going to learn about jinx if Sevika dies, or in any outcome other than Spare Sevika.
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Yes spare Sevika, what's going to happen is either they don't tell Vi to keep her loyalty or they lie. Also if Vi is alive she's probably going to know about Jinx soon since Hextech is about to roll out.

This is in the case Vi is even around. Savika doesn't know Vi is alive. How long will it take for that to happen. For them to meet and for that to come up as a topic?
 
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Darkcore41 said:
Yes spare Sevika, what's going to happen is either they don't tell Vi to keep her loyalty or they lie. Also if Vi is alive she's probably going to know about Jinx soon since Hextech is about to roll out.

This is in the case Vi is even around. Savika doesn't know Vi is alive. How long will it take for that to happen. For them to meet and for that to come up as a topic?
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Sevika does know if Vi is alive or not.
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Then she made the mistake of trying to talk. "Wait, Powder, we can make some kinda deal! I know—"
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She very nearly spilled the beans here.

If we spare Sevika there is a chance Silco collects her and brings her to Singe to get patched up, for answers if nothing else. Depending on how close Vi is if she's still on the mend(likely) then she could ove hear Silco questioning Sevika when she awakens from her treatment. It's at least plausible.
 
[X] Kill Sevika
Most of my arguments have been made by others already, but I do want to note that Sevika knows our friends' names and faces (well, definitely Caitlyn's, she was kind of distracted when we said Seraphine's name), and she may have seen Seraphine blast her (the angle was unclear from the text). Her reporting back to Silco puts targets on more than just Jinx.
 
[X] Spare Sevika
[X] Bring her to Benzo

Despite how shit she is she's probably the best named character in Silco's faction for Zaun, has personally tried to help Powder before when she didn't need to and doesn't need to die for our goal in this very moment. But with Benzo still alive maybe it's possible to bring Silco down far less painfully than canon and use Powder's far superior position to collaborate more effectively than Vander did. She's also a possible information leak about Seraphine. But Jinx's mental health is just turning a corner. Don't want to risk that either.

If I'm not sure what's smart it's going to come down to 'I like Sevika and how she's been written so I want her to be written more'.
 
Katahiraga said:
Killing her will bring negative consequences, Sevika and gang came here to force Benzo to bend the knee, and that was Silco being nice, if she dies, he will escalate, and in this timeline there is no resistance yet to oppose him, barring the chembarons, who are worse than Silco in a way,.

Killing Sevika for self gratification is not worth the consequences that will happen down the line as it will alienate her friends, cause Silco to stop playing nice which will argurably make things worse than canon setting for not only Jinx and friends but for the inhabitants of Zaun.
Her mental stability will worsen, and the relationship between Powder and her friends won't be the same, not to mention
Seraphine can read souls and what it would do to her, plus metawise, Vi will still be alone with Silco.
So I ask is Powder's self gratification worth screwing herself and so many other people especially her sister woth it.?
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Killing her means that the only one who can possibly be directly connected to this hit is Jinx, assuming that the bombed goon survives. If Sevika lives both Caitlyn & Seraphine are identified as threats to be targetted for reprisal and Silco retains a strong right hand commander + brawler with a vendetta against us for maiming her and killing her men. Never do your enemy a small harm, Vander made that mistake and he ended up dead on a bridge turned into a monster by a man who he had moments before forgiven.
 
And executing Sevika in cold blood will escalate Silco into making a more ruthless methods, Silco will be proportionate like how he handled the enforcer, not going for the kill and onlu humiating him, Silco only wanted to frightened Benzo into submission, during the battle 2 to 3 goons died, killing Sevila will gurantee an escalation, there are bullets already inside the goons bodies, so the deaths will be connected with people of Piltover.

Cold blood murder will worsen Jinx mental state, damage her relationship with her friends,. Silcon already knows who Powder is connected with by community service she andher siblings are connected with.

Besides, getting rid of witnesses is like Silco's method, Powder resorting to such methods is a step too far, and be too much like murder, not self-defense to protect other. In this update it was Jinx who escalated to lethal force first, when Sevika wanted to beat Benzo up, to get him to submit. I do not want Powder to become just as bad or worse than Silco, where she resorts to murder as a good solution. In other words there is not much benefit to murdering Sevika, its quite the opposite her death will maje things worse by escalation, Powder's morality and ends justify the means shift in mentaliy, her mental stability plus her friends.
 
Katahiraga said:
executing Sevika in cold blood
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No, this is incorrect. Killing in cold blood is killing without emotional investment. Jinx is incredibly emotionally invested in killing Sevika.

And executing Sevika in cold blood will escalate Silco into making a more ruthless methods, Silco will be proportionate like how he handled the enforcer, not going for the kill and onlu humiating him, Silco only wanted to frightened Benzo into submission, during the battle 2 to 3 goons died, killing Sevila will gurantee an escalation, there are bullets already inside the goons bodies, so the deaths will be connected with people of Piltover.
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You are mistaken; Silco wants to be in charge, and he wants no opposition to that. If his detractors in Zaun refuse to kiss the ring, he kills them. That's his whole thing; victory is worth any cost. He's all iron fist, no velvet glove, and Sevika was acting on his behalf here; she might not have planned to kill Ekko, but she absolutely would have killed Benzo if he didn't declare himself Silco's man.

Cold blood murder will worsen Jinx mental state
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Once again, not cold blooded killing. And whether it will negatively impact her rather than positively impact her is entirely subject to debate currently.

I do not want Powder to become just as bad or worse than Silco, where she resorts to murder as a good solution.
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In other words there is not much benefit to murdering Sevika, its quite the opposite her death will maje things worse
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Unless Jinx decides she wants to be a terrorist, she will never be as bad as Silco. And murdering Sevika is very much a good solution to this situation. That doesn't mean Jinx should take pleasure in it, but ignoring the merits of killing Sevika here and now is silly. There have been a number of arguments for why killing is beneficial and a more optimal choice in this instance; maintaining deniability for Seraphine and Caitlyn, removing an asset from Silco's repertoire, potential catharsis for Jinx, showcasing the ugly truth of conflict in Zaun to Caitlyn, to name a few.
 
Katahiraga said:
And executing Sevika in cold blood will escalate Silco into making a more ruthless methods, Silco will be proportionate like how he handled the enforcer, not going for the kill and onlu humiating him, Silco only wanted to frightened Benzo into submission, during the battle 2 to 3 goons died, killing Sevila will gurantee an escalation, there are bullets already inside the goons bodies, so the deaths will be connected with people of Piltover.

Cold blood murder will worsen Jinx mental state, damage her relationship with her friends,. Silcon already knows who Powder is connected with by community service she andher siblings are connected with.

Besides, getting rid of witnesses is like Silco's method, Powder resorting to such methods is a step too far, and be too much like murder, not self-defense to protect other. In this update it was Jinx who escalated to lethal force first, when Sevika wanted to beat Benzo up, to get him to submit. I do not want Powder to become just as bad or worse than Silco, where she resorts to murder as a good solution. In other words there is not much benefit to murdering Sevika, its quite the opposite her death will maje things worse by escalation, Powder's morality and ends justify the means shift in mentaliy, her mental stability plus her friends.
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The proportionate response is killing all three of us. Caitlyn shot two men dead in a premeditated ambush, we bombed and likely killed or maimed a third. We then maimed his second in command. A gang leader must respond to these actions with full force or lose the sense of fear that they rely upon, especially when he is just starting to gain his hold.

Beyond that Silco is personally also shown to favour an eye for a life rather than being concerned about proportionality. Vander maimed him so he brutally killed him years later even after Vander tried to bury the hatchet.

The die was cast the second we killed these men and maimed Silco's second in command. Do not expect any mercy. Every moment Sevika feels a tinge of pain in her feet, adjusts the eyepatch over her destroyed eye, or looks at the scar on her hand she will remember what we took from her. So too will everyone on the street who sees her missing eye and asks what she did to get her revenge. The best we can do is deny him Sevika as a resource, and prevent him learning about our friends part in this attack.

Sparing her is not a fully innocent action either, she is a killer and gang leader who will kill again in her role enforcing Silco's domination of Zaun. The sad reality is that for peace and progress to exist some violent gangsters and warmongering revolutionaries have to be killed when capture is not possible. The only reward you get for showing mercy to Silco and his ilk is a dagger in the back and the knowledge that every person they victimise after your act of mercy may have been spared had you been just a little more ruthless.
 
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