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[X] Go After Vander
Get Jinxed: A Tale of Mental Instability and Poor Decisions (Arcane/League of Legends)
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Really close vote this time.
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There's a reason the next update has her Trauma issue getting worse—and a few others—though two issues actually improved. Granted, one of those is more along the lines of, "This issue is getting replaced with a new one that's worse."
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Why is that exactly? I can accept issues worsening but it feels kind of cheap that even issues we remove just birth new issues if it's at all plausible.
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I don't want to give away too much, but it's really more "The issue has undergone a major change" than "Powder has solved this problem."
It's time for the Jinx problem to mutate/evolve!
Who could have FORESEEN that the bombs would kill someone, ay?
Chekov's bombs, if you will.
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Yeah, not gonna lie I would not have voted to give those two the bombs.
Also Silco is definitely involved in their deaths somehow, he's apparently the one who told Vander about it, so it wouldn't surprise me if he manipulated them into trying to go to Piltover or something like that.
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Thing is, even if they hadn't been handed the bombs, you just know Mylo would have swiped one either way. The only way Mylo doesn't end up with a bomb would be if we put off finishing them.
Granted, I think at least one of them was dying regardless. Even without the bombs, what follows is Sevika's people charging the enforces and someone fires a stray shot which kills one of Powder's siblings.
I disagree, if Milo stole it then that would be preferable. It would make less of an impact then Jinx handing them out herself. Also if we have them to god king Ekko I don't think he'd have the ability to steal them.
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Well I did vote to just give them to Ekko. Speaking of ekko, and the one totally unaccounted for bomb, bets on it about to go off from a distance and distract Sevika long enough for powder to pull away?
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…we see it happen and their justification literally on screen?
I'm not sure how Silco would know they have bombs. Or know that the enforcers would be on the lookout for them specifically. It seems vaguely possible his people spotted them and informed Marcus, on the basis that engineering an interaction between them is more likely to inflame tensions than not. But there are just too many moving parts for this to have been some sort of master plan.
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Never said it was a master plan, just that he might have manipulated the situation to make things seem even worse than they already were.
An opportunistic type of plan.
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I mean he did, we saw that on screen.
But he didn't need to mind control Vi into worrying about her sister, or us into staying in Piltover, or us into giving them bombs, or them into having the bombs,…
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I don't think I'm explaining myself correctly, but I'll give it one last shot before I drop the subject as I don't want an argument.
I'm saying that, considering Silco's character, he might have done something after the explosion and after he rescued Vi, to make the situation seem even worse to get Vander even angrier and into his side or to gather more followers.
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Long short story feels like powder is in a t-minus 5 turn race before she kills herself at current projections
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Oh okay. I mean sure maybe. It's not obvious to me what he could do to make Vander angrier than to tell him honestly that his sons were killed in a run in with enforcers that would be worth the risk of it being revealed to be a lie. I guess he could have claimed the enforcers outright killed them (instead of them being killed by an explosion of unknown origin)?
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I think we can say safely assume that Silco exaggerated his awareness of the facts to paint as clear a false picture as possible of enforcers choosing to kill the kids, rather than him not knowing what happened but the kids dying.
It's pretty clear that Vander thinks he has the whole story.
Anything else is quite simply believing the man who spent how many months plotting to dismantle Vander's life wouldn't lie to him. It doesn't matter whether it might not have been needed, he'd have lied to have the best possible chance of returning Vander to the cause.
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Pretty much this. Silco is definitely willing to lie; this is the guy who introduces himself with a whole monologue about how the key to victory is being willing to do anything to achieve your goals. If he didn't lie, it's only because the basic facts of "Your kids had a run-in with the Enforcers, and now they're dead" are just that bad.
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Oh, the issue with him lying wouldn't be about willingness it'd be about the likelihood of being found out. Him lying that he knew the enforcers outright killed them instead of not knowing is pretty plausible, because nobody could prove it wrong and even if they could, it's something Silco can credibly say that he just honestly assumed.
He could also have lied about Vi - claim she died. I don't think he did, based on the update (Vander only mentions his sons as dying). But he could have selectively reported stuff on that to make the situation seem worse - make her condition more uncertain than it is, etc.
But he couldn't have claimed something like knowing Powder is dead, or topside is holding her hostage, etc. because then if she turns out to be alive or Grayson returns her, Vander would have said something. The facts are bad enough - why risk a lie that could be discovered? But yes, agree that any lie that can't be discovered, or is very unlikely to be, was probably fair game.
He could also have lied about Vi - claim she died. I don't think he did, based on the update (Vander only mentions his sons as dying). But he could have selectively reported stuff on that to make the situation seem worse - make her condition more uncertain than it is, etc.
But he couldn't have claimed something like knowing Powder is dead, or topside is holding her hostage, etc. because then if she turns out to be alive or Grayson returns her, Vander would have said something. The facts are bad enough - why risk a lie that could be discovered? But yes, agree that any lie that can't be discovered, or is very unlikely to be, was probably fair game.
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And no one has said precisely what he claimed, but framing the deaths of his sons, whose bodies have been taken away, as a deliberate act, isn't a hard sell. I don't think Silco wouldn't stretch the truth without lying if he's at all able to.
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Is the bottom line. The truth that the boys died in a confrontation with Enforcers and Vi's barely alive being patched up by a shady back-alley doctor is already profoundly awful. Silco doesn't really need to make it worse.
There's also a bit of shock and guilt over the fact he just killed Grayson in front of Powder. Him and Grayson weren't friends by any stretch, given how tense their working relationship was and the fundamental differences in worldviews, but it was still a relationship. They'd known each other for years, and worked together to preserve the peace.
Then Vander killed her in a fit of rage. Understandable rage given the circumstances, but it's still a pretty extreme thing to do and left him feeling shaken up.
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