Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Because the Library of Congress is not, in fact, USA government. And because we just soft-couped Colombia, which USA has vested interests in. CIA and the like will meddle, and it is, in my opinion, better to prevent lethal misunderstandings than deal with them later.
Yes they are??

Lethal misunderstandings? Like what? Given that these guys worked for Rampires earlier I'm not seeing it.
 
That..what? They were just fine before we got here. Why would they suddenly get killed off by the CIA? This looks like paranoia.
Probably, but considering that Molly and co soft-couped the place the regular CIA is going to look into it. And those guys dont know about rampires so they will only see that some unknown power has couped Colombia and act accordingly.
 
That..what? They were just fine before we got here. Why would they suddenly get killed off by the CIA? This looks like paranoia.
I imagine primarily because of these guys.The Revolutionary armed forces of Columbia in 2007 they are the height of their power with a military strength of about 18,000 people not outnumbering the Colombian military by any means but definitely a very strong very left leaning Force if the oligarchs we subvert essentially start cosying up with communist even if the country doesn't flip towards left-leading social policy if they make any socialist appeasements or start talking about making peace with these people well the CIA is in the business of putting right wing oligarch dictators in charge of countries and if they can't do that keeping them extremely destabilized to extract as much value as possibly United States. Not creating functional States.

Though this is an extremely cynical take.
 
Probably, but considering that Molly and co soft-couped the place the regular CIA is going to look into it. And those guys dont know about rampires so they will only see that some unknown power has couped Colombia and act accordingly.
That's what I'm not understanding. They won't know that we did anything. Why would they look into something they are unaware of?
 
Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Jan 12, 2025 at 3:02 AM, finished with 56 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Plan Spiritual guidance
    -[X] Keep it, it might prove useful later
    --[X] Call upon your cybernetic spirits to help keep it working
    ---[X] Do jot reveal Sanctuary - the spirits are either just that, spirits called by you from some mystic realm, or anonymous cyberspace presences
    --[X] Involve Fellowship of Saint Giles, they can certainly use help, and your forces will either provide backup, or alert you to issues
    [X] Keep it, it might prove useful later
    [X] Keep it, it might prove useful later
    -[X] Take reasonable steps to enhance its effectiveness, including assigning intelligence assets from Sanctuary, with SUTRA assistance, to manage the network. Key members of the network may be offered IDU empowerment to secure their positions and loyalty, and increase their usefulness.
 
That's what I'm not understanding. They won't know that we did anything. Why would they look into something they are unaware of?
Unless our orders are "continue following Red Court orders and policies exactly as before, but also feed us information", embedded observers will note the shifts in Colombian politics within a relatively short timespan.
 
Unless our orders are "continue following Red Court orders and policies exactly as before, but also feed us information", embedded observers will note the shifts in Colombian politics within a relatively short timespan.

They will, but it will look like a policy change by the existing government rather than a coup.

And Farc is likely to have a bad time given we probably are making parts of the Columbian special forces and security services into members of the brass Court.
 
Unless our orders are "continue following Red Court orders and policies exactly as before, but also feed us information", embedded observers will note the shifts in Colombian politics within a relatively short timespan.
What Alratan said. Not everything is somehow enemy action and a few prerequisites need to be met before people start to be concerned about that and dedicate funds/resources to look into it. You're looking at this from the perspective of someone that already knows what's going on.

Though if it were that bad you should be more concerned about other people in the Columbian Gov before any foreign ones like the U.S..
 
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Concerning revealing the Sanctuary - I propose we get back to the question in about half a year or so. Or do the reveals step by step. We'll need at least some of them in position of power for when we topple Red Court.
They will, but it will look like a policy change by the existing government rather than a coup.

And Farc is likely to have a bad time given we probably are making parts of the Columbian special forces and security services into members of the brass Court.
As I understand it, the mundane cover for the situation is mostly "cartels bought these politicians". You don't start seeing policy changes from corrupt interests.
 
As I understand it, the mundane cover for the situation is mostly "cartels bought these politicians". You don't start seeing policy changes from corrupt interests.

You do though. It's not unusual for corrupt politicians to decide they quite like power and to change who's in charge of a relationship.

Purging the people who brought you to power is corrupt politician basic.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 12, 2025 at 6:58 AM, finished with 64 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Plan Spiritual guidance
    -[X] Keep it, it might prove useful later
    --[X] Call upon your cybernetic spirits to help keep it working
    ---[X] Do not reveal Sanctuary - the spirits are either just that, spirits called by you from some mystic realm, or anonymous cyberspace presences
    --[X] Involve Fellowship of Saint Giles, they can certainly use help, and your forces will either provide backup, or alert you to issues
    [X] Keep it, it might prove useful later
 
Arc 15 Post 39: That Subtle War New
That Subtle War

11th of March 2007 A.D.

Integrating the people who have just sworn fealty to you, it's strange how commonplace that feels now, proves a bit more complex than you had anticipated. The digital spirits you set to watching them had discovered some crimes well beyond the pale of what you can tolerate in their past. The kinds of predilections even Marcone would balk at, perhaps Duke Emiliano had seen something of himself in them. Regardless they can't be of any use to him behind bars and their protection against addiction will run out in a month.

"I'd like to say I feel bad about that, but I don't," you confess to Olivia that evening to which your friend just gives a sympathetic nod. She had seen the same files.

"You know all those movies with the tired message of 'the real monster was man all along'? I still don't believe that, the real monsters are monsters, but that doesn't mean man won't give it the old college try."

"Speaking of College..." you trail off, not wanting to push but curious.

"Turns out not really needing to sleep does wonders for the ability to cram in credits and my grades too. It might look a little weird on my resume but I can have them give me a few producer roles celebrated indie movies of the late 00s to make up for it."

"Between your work coordinating with the Fellowship to keep the government here from falling back into the hands of the Reds and actually working with Red Star Productions? Are you sure you can manage it?"

She thinks about it for a moment then surprisingly shakes her head. "No, but it it doesn't work out I'll drop something. Better to overshoot than undershoot my father says and that's one thing I can still agree with him on."

Somehow you do not think Mr Deol had quite the combination of tasks his daughter had set for herself in mind when he said those words, but you let the matter rest. Instead you ask her how Red Star Production is going. They had set off her phone more than once as you had been working on the logistics of meeting Fellowship leadership.

"They wanna make movies, the company's been in a holding pattern for months and that got me thinking... about Dracula."

It doesn't take you long to realize what she means. "You wanna steal the formula for someone else?"

"The Red Court, they're a good target for this kind of thing since a lot of their strength is in their numbers and their moral support netoworks. Give more people the tools needed to understand them, fight them and it's going to erode that power base hard. I pitched the general vibe of the movie to some peple at the studio and they were open to it, sort of like Invasion of the Body Snatchers meets From Dusk till Dawn. They are good at body horror and we can make it better with some movie magic using tech from the City of Fountains..."

"So actual magic," you laugh, but behind that you're weighting the pros and cons. On the one hand it works, you know it works because it's been done before and the Red Court have made a lot of enemies, if not quite so many as the Black. There aren't going to be many arguing hat the movie is a breach of the principles of the Accords, but then what really matters is what Mab would think of it. You do have two favors from Winter burning a hole in your pocket to mix metaphors a tad.

Should Red Star Prodctions try to make an anti-Red Court movie in the style of Dracula?

[] Yes, it's the best use of the studio
-[] Bring in the crew on the secret
-[] Keep them in the dark

[] No, the potential distraction isn't worth it, there are better ways to deal with the Red Court

[] Write in


OOC: No visibile rolls on this one.
 
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Y'all are probably going to think this is excessive, but I might as well swing for the fences.

[X] Media Blitz
-[X] Yes, it's the best use of the studio. Rather than a simple movie, however, have them also explore the possibility of producing a serialized TV show instead of, or better yet as a follow-up to the film.
--[X] Bring in the main production crew, actors/actresses, and writers on the secret.
---[X] Offer IDU empowerment to those who wish to participate. Youth, beauty, skill, prowess, all these and more can be offered, at the very low price of eternal fealty.
--[X] Have them begin talks with a prominent publishing house to commission novelizations of the film and/or TV show. Do the same with a prominent TTRPG publisher, with an aim toward producing a game to go along with the franchise if there is sufficient interest. Perhaps even a line of high quality collectible action figures as well?
 
[X] Media Blitz

--[X] Have them begin talks with a prominent publishing house to commission novelizations of the film and/or TV show. Do the same with a prominent TTRPG publisher, with an aim toward producing a game to go along with the franchise if there is sufficient interest. Perhaps even a line of high quality collectible action figures as well?
This one is probably premature. We'll probably face at least some pushback from Red Court interests.

Also, we have some half-reds (and maybe even full reds? I don't remember) in the Courts who swore fealty to us. We could use them.
 
. There aren't going to be many arguing hat the movie is a breach of the principles of the Accords, but then what really matters is what Mab would think of it.
Given that according to DP we would've needed to convince her to do something about the Accord breaching the Accord member, the Red Court, were attempting earlier with the kamikaze tactic, Mab better not fucking say anything.
 
I was under the impression that the thread was strongly opposed to proper full-scale interaction of FIvefold Courts with Colombian government. Previous two votes (how Molly presents herself and how Tiffany presents herself) were about the degree of interaction. If that is no longer the case now that we have won the network over, I would be very glad to actually do this properly.

Before I make a plan, though, a question for everyone - do we talk to the Library and USA government. Not doing so risks a fight with CIA branch of Daedalus. Doing so makes it almost guaranteed that USA government will involve itself. I am tentatively positive about this, and think we should try to establish / deepen our alliance there.
I was under the impression that the thread was strongly opposed to proper full-scale interaction of FIvefold Courts with Colombian government. Previous two votes (how Molly presents herself and how Tiffany presents herself) were about the degree of interaction. If that is no longer the case now that we have won the network over, I would be very glad to actually do this properly.

Before I make a plan, though, a question for everyone - do we talk to the Library and USA government. Not doing so risks a fight with CIA branch of Daedalus. Doing so makes it almost guaranteed that USA government will involve itself. I am tentatively positive about this, and think we should try to establish / deepen our alliance there.
I'm not sure I agree with that assessment, or it's connection to this particular situation.

Deflecting red plots that would result in a negative introduction and keeping things quiet while we figure out what to do aren't the same as never speaking with them in any capacity. Nor is our policy for handing corrupt oligarch puppets the same as our policy for anyone else.

There are options between open announcement and secret puppetry.
 
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