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[X] [Defiant] [To Become A Knight] Face Lord Manderly and reveal yourself to the crowd as Rhaenyra Targaryen.
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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I don't think Dragonstone had lords sworn to it before Robert's Rebellion, being part of the Crownlands, and thus is just one rocky islands, even in maritime matters overshadowed by its bigger neighbour Driftmark. So Rhaenys is "very rich" from the view of the general population the same way every lord is, but from the view of the nobility...
Well, she has a secure and independent source of income, but I'd guess it's just the riches of a minor lord. Seeing as a princess and the heir of the realm nonetheless requires a certain expensive representation at court and outside of it, I'd bet most our de facto income still comes from the royal treasury.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
[X] [Defiant] [To Become A Knight] Face Lord Manderly and reveal yourself to the crowd as Rhaenyra Targaryen.
If we don't reveal ourself this tourney then in the next there are going to be a ton of copycats trying to cash in on the Silver Falcon's reputation by acting as mystery knights and pretending to be him. It's going to be harder to attribute two victories for ourself if we wait for the next tourney to ask to be knighted, and in the meanwhile who knows how badly our reputation will be blackened by the actions of all the people pretending to be the Silver Falcon in attempt to get easy accolades as the supposed tournament winner.
If we don't reveal ourself this tourney then in the next there are going to be a ton of copycats trying to cash in on the Silver Falcon's reputation by acting as mystery knights and pretending to be him. It's going to be harder to attribute two victories for ourself if we wait for the next tourney to ask to be knighted, and in the meanwhile who knows how badly our reputation will be blackened by the actions of all the people pretending to be the Silver Falcon in attempt to get easy accolades as the supposed tournament winner.
[X] [Defiant] [To Become A Knight] Face Lord Manderly and reveal yourself to the crowd as Rhaenyra Targaryen.
[X] [Defiant] [To Become A Knight] Face Lord Manderly and reveal yourself to the crowd as Rhaenyra Targaryen
Only one choice really btw guys how do we feel with gwayne as Husband we woukd get Otto on our side and he would be okay that we date Alicent and would shield us any toughts?
Edit: A dragon needs his tower!
Only one choice really btw guys how do we feel with gwayne as Husband we woukd get Otto on our side and he would be okay that we date Alicent and would shield us any toughts?
Edit: A dragon needs his tower!
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Imperious
Without the sun of my life
How does it protect Alicent to take her on a horse ride with us? If anything it seems plausible that it'll lead to all sorts of rumors about how the Silver Falcon 'dishonored' her. It'll probably get even worse once the various Silver Falcon copycats and tales of their enormities spread as well.
And then once we do reveal ourself it'll also lead to her getting a reputation like Jeyne's, putting her in hot water with Johanna and her ilk. We were even discussing earlier how as our handmaiden we could portray us handing her the laurel as a platonic gesture, since we wouldn't have been able to hand the laurel to someone else, so as to protect her from that.
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How is breaking ceremony and riding off with Alicent protecting her?
It'd be hurting her if anything, given the conclusions people will come to when she apparently gets dumped off at the princess's doorstep after the mystery knight got tired of her
There is no way riding off with Alicent resolves that I can think of that looks good for her
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Well, we're explicitly told that the armor ransoms for Tully and Baratheon, plus the prize for coming second place in the melee "...meant nothing in comparison to even your earnings from Dragonstone."
In fairness, the prize for winning the joust could well be something like 5-10 times as much money as this, but even so I really doubt that it's a very large sum of money by Rhaenyra's personal finances.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Also my god, the main character rises to the finals against the expectation of all naysayers where even the crowd itself mocks him and calls on him to lose as he sets his lance down for one final joust.
I'm glad that we won against Peake, but I have to say it would have been incredibly easy to spin a Peake victory into something out of a Shonen anime.
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Hm, it is definitely true that there will be a lot of copycats claiming to be the Silver Falcon if Rhaenyra doesn't reveal herself. There is also the potential for Alicent's reputation to be dragged through the mud, as others note and as I'll discuss a little more further down in this post.
On the other hand, if after not revealing herself here, Rhaenyra reveals herself at the Highgarden tournament, it will be fairly easy to establish that all the fake 'Silver Falcons are fakes,' because Rhaenyra's general whereabouts are known pretty much all the time during the royal progress. It will be easy to establish that the "Silver Falcon" who was literally just a glorified bandit leader in full armor over in the Riverlands was in fact doing this while Rhaenyra was at a party in Casterly Rock on the other side of the continent, or whatever thing like that. And yes, Rhaenyra has a dragon so she can practically be in two places at once by Westerosi standards, but the dragon was at Casterly Rock too.
The action of revealing herself would also somewhat reduce the damage to Alicent's reputation... rather too late.
Frankly, yeah.
Again, to an outside party, if Alicent says "yes," it looks as though she was charmed by a mystery knight she doesn't even know, remembering that she acted like she didn't know who the Silver Falcon was earlier. Then she rides off with him, then she doesn't show up for hours, then she shows up either back in Manderly's castle or, I dunno, somewhere in White Harbor, since we can't exactly escort her back.
So assuming Gwayne or someone else doesn't step in to stop us...
Well, at this point, let's just say that Otto Hightower is going to be very interested in knowing who the Silver Falcon is, if no one else. If only for the good and simple reason that reading between the lines, this "man," this 'Silver Falcon,' probably just took his daughter's virginity and then dumped her to do a walk of shame back to Manderly's castle and disappeared to points unknown.
This is immediately prejudicial to the Silver Falcon's reputation, so that if "he" shows up at the Highgarden tournament there may be people with pointy questions for him.
And Westeros being Westeros, it's bad for Alicent's reputation, since she'll be seen as having effectively hopped into bed with a masked stranger whose sole qualification is "can win a tournament."
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I suppose that every cloud has its silver lining, since if we wanted to damage Alicent's marriage prospects and thus chances of ever being separated from Rhaenyra, this would be a pretty effective way to go about it!
Of course, Alicent herself knows all this, so there's a pretty high chance that we'd effectively be putting her on the spot to refuse Rhaenyra and then thing would derail, just like it would have derailed if Rhaenyra had smooched Alicent fiercely on the spot.
...All this may be pessimistic, but I do think we need to bear stuff like this in mind. The broader society's information and expectations matter a lot on a practical level.
Honestly that may well be our best option. I forget if there are any obvious downsides I'm forgetting, but I think it's by far the best way to give Rhaenyra a happy personal life that I can think of.
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Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Hm, it is definitely true that there will be a lot of copycats claiming to be the Silver Falcon if Rhaenyra doesn't reveal herself. There is also the potential for Alicent's reputation to be dragged through the mud, as others note and as I'll discuss a little more further down in this post.
On the other hand, if after not revealing herself here, Rhaenyra reveals herself at the Highgarden tournament, it will be fairly easy to establish that all the fake 'Silver Falcons are fakes,' because Rhaenyra's general whereabouts are known pretty much all the time during the royal progress. It will be easy to establish that the "Silver Falcon" who was literally just a glorified bandit leader in full armor over in the Riverlands was in fact doing this while Rhaenyra was at a party in Casterly Rock on the other side of the continent, or whatever thing like that. And yes, Rhaenyra has a dragon so she can practically be in two places at once by Westerosi standards, but the dragon was at Casterly Rock too.
The action of revealing herself would also somewhat reduce the damage to Alicent's reputation... rather too late.
I'm not so sure. We're not in a setting with modern communication methods. The very reason why we were even able to go on the tournament is because the general public is actually incapable of knowing where we are at all times. It may suffice in order to establish that we weren't somewhere on the far side of the continent but people who were at the same city or town as us at the time? Not so sure.
Not to mention that a fair few people might end up accusing of being the copycat the next time we participate as the Silver Falcon, trying to cash in on a renowned knight's reputation.
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Like, don't get me wrong, it really is charming, wonderfully romantic in its way, it's just the social context of the act that makes it likely to end badly and not at all the way Rhaenyra would want.
I think it takes the "courtly love from out of the ballads" thing that extra step too far, to the point where we end up smacking into the other side of life in Westeros, the "aaaand life isn't a ballad and when you act like it is you're going to wind up looking like Don Quixote after his famous charge at a windmill."
But damn it would be beautiful and gloriously romantic if it actually worked out the way Rhaenyra probably hopes it would.
I don't think that there will be so many copycat "Silver Falcons" that we have to actively worry about a lot of them being in the same city as us at the same time. The issue is how many copycats there will be all over Westeros, most of whom are far enough away from the actual location of Rhaenyra's progress that there's no plausible way Rhaenyra could have gotten to where they are while still following the progress route.
THAT is distinctly possible, though it will help that we are, in fact, going to have the Silver Falcon's same armor and same horse, and there absolutely will be people who recognize the Silver Falcon from the Great Northern Tournament. Plus the part where even if Rhaenyra doesn't win the Highgarden Tournament, she'll probably do well enough to make her status as a powerful fighter quite clear.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
I could see it. People trying to pretend that they're the famous mystery knight and tournament winner in a local tavern or what have you in order to impress women/get free drinks/intimidate people into thinking they're standing in front of a dangerous fighter etc,etc seems like a pretty distinct possibility. There's a potentially large social cache in being a tournament winner in a society like Westeros, and since as a mystery knight the Silver Falcon can be anyone, including commoners, then the pool of people who could potentially benefit from pretending to be 'him' is enormous.
We're a princess. If we wanted to we'd have the resources to obtain a similar looking armor and horse.
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Hmmm, maybe, but at the same time, if there are that many copycats then they can't really reflect on Rhaenyra's own reputation in the future because everyone with a brain will realize that if there are 50 counterfeit "Silver Falcons" wandering the continent, then they can't all be the same person at once.
If Rhaenyra revealed herself to be the Silver Falcon in the future or if this was revealed for her, then even if she didn't formally unmask right here at the tournament, immediately she could not be reasonably accused of doing any "Silver Falcon" stuff anywhere except whatever city she was in at the corresponding moment of her progress, and there wouldn't be a ton of credibility for a lot of those accusations either.
But arguably we're just quibbling over inconsequential details.
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[X] [Defiant] [To Become A Knight] Face Lord Manderly and reveal yourself to the crowd as Rhaenyra Targaryen.
I understand why some might impulsively want to ride off into the sunset with Alicent but it just seems to me like it could cause a whole bunch of unnecessary problems or complications down the line for not a lot of pay off.
I understand why some might impulsively want to ride off into the sunset with Alicent but it just seems to me like it could cause a whole bunch of unnecessary problems or complications down the line for not a lot of pay off.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Think about it in terms of the sort of rumors canon Rhaenyra had to deal with for example. If we later convincingly make the case that we are the Silver Falcon in Highgarden and at some point we're in conflict with someone who is actively looking to slander us, then suddenly all of those copycats gives them a ton of material to work with against us by trying to hold us liable for actions they performed. Sure, we as Rhaenyra, could make a plausible case that wasn't us but a copycat, just as canon Rhaenyra could have made a plausible case that the dark hair of her children came from their Baratheon ancestry, but the court of public opinion doesn't require you to reach a standard of evidence of beyond reasonable doubt. They just need to give people plausible cause to think that while we couldn't have been all of the Silver Falcon copycats, that we were that particular scumbag copycat who committed some outrage or another.
[X] [Defiant] [To Become A Knight] Face Lord Manderly and reveal yourself to the crowd as Rhaenyra Targaryen.
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So I'll note that Rhaenyra is now at 8 prowess
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I think people underestimate how much romanticism there is in Westeros. Yes, there might be bawdy songs, but people act like that is the only thing. Like that Westerosi could only look at romance in a cynical, bawdy way, because Westeros is "gritty" and "dirty".
But just look at Sansa and her naive ideas. The idea of chivalric love is prety popular in Westeros, especially the upper classes - including the more fanciful stuff, like mystery knights, or winning a tourney just for no other gain than the lady's favour. Westeros can do this sort of naive-idealistic romanticism as well.
And Alicent seems very intent in her being the lady to us as her fair knight. She seems to hold similar fanciful ideals if romance in that regard as Sansa (though ofc she is more mature about it). So I do think it would come off to her as what I said - avery fanciful, exceedingly chivalric (the lady's favour over any gain), tres romantique gesture the singers will write about for years to come - Alicent as the lady so lovely, that a mystery knight won the jousting solely to to have a single ride with her.
And tbh, songs like that are the stuff of courtly romance ideals.