Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Dec 5, 2024 at 2:05 AM, finished with 49 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Plan Scout First
    -[X] Apply ATP to self if not already applied
    -[X] move underwater towards the maximum range of clear underwater perception granted by BSM
    -[X] Activate All Things Betray with Willpower
    -[X] Using the dragon's lair or excrement as foci, find out what it thinks about the object you and kingfisher are after
    [X] Intercede with the dragon before the Vadderung's men can find it.
    [X] Call Donar Vadderung, you can speak more frankly with him, though you will also have to watch your words more
    [x]Put a cyberdevil into the ship's guidance systems
 
The only reference to Rome in the poem was about Hadrian's Wall(broken ramparts of the Empire of Wolves) that the comet passed over.
Everything else appears to be Celtic/Gaelic/Irish myth.

That line of the poem is talking about the fall of Rome and what might have been if the spark hadn't been swallowed by a dragon. That coming to pass was the smothering of the prince, presumably the one who would have exalted and launched a renewed empire headed by an immortal god king.

The sea rose up to swallow the fallen seed and the sea was smote for its presumption for it was a seed not for fish to devour.
Unrelated to the current debate on the details, but worth noting to our current efforts that even if the dragon is dealt with that whatever we're looking at here has "smite the sea" level teeth and will act on its own.
 
A Sidhe lord managing to fight a Dragon doesnt say anything about our ability to fight or survive a Dragon.
This setting canonically has Wyldfae on the order of Puck walking around, and Fae King Oberon used to be a thing before he got himself killed according to the author.

There's stuff in the deep Wyld and on Earth that would clobber a solo E4 Exalt.
Hell, there's stuff on Earth that would do it; I think Thor is still playing college football somewhere in the Midwest according to Butcher. Dont get overconfident.

The last dragon fight we have any detail about in the setting was the one that was covered up as Tunguska.
You know, the exploding asteroid with a double digit megaton yield that knocked down forests several hundred kilometers away.
You do not want a dragon fight anywhere in the vicinity of human

Pertinently, Dragons dont like humans. Word of Butcher.
1) This is not a Dragon. If this was one of the three surviving Great Elemental Dragons, we would know by now.

2) The last dragon fight we have information about is Will of Kakuri punking Porter, who is an elemental dragon. The elemental dragon of Chicago now, previously simply one of several.

3) Again, Porter, an elemental dragon, likes us very much. So, don't generalize. Personally, I hope that the exaltation is burning in dragon's guts, and it would be grateful for us removing it.
 
1) This is not a Dragon. If this was one of the three surviving Great Elemental Dragons, we would know by now.

2) The last dragon fight we have information about is Will of Kakuri punking Porter, who is an elemental dragon. The elemental dragon of Chicago now, previously simply one of several.

3) Again, Porter, an elemental dragon, likes us very much. So, don't generalize. Personally, I hope that the exaltation is burning in dragon's guts, and it would be grateful for us removing it.
It fought a fey lord to keep it, so I suspect the critter is managing well enough. I agree it probably isn't one of the elemental Dragons, but it seems unlikely they will want to hand it over for free.

That's why we should be prepared to follow up our investigation with some bribe hunting.

It seems pretty reasonable to believe we'll need to fight or pay the dragon to get what we want, and fighting carries significant risk of an accidental release. Strictly a last resort option in my view. As long as whatever payment it needs isn't ridiculously beyond the pale hiring the dragon is better than killing it.

Molly is a ridiculous cheater of a craftswoman, so maybe we'll get lucky and have an option in that area. A gem of endless supernatural energy, a magical implement giving it irresponsibly vast power over the material world, immunity to its natural weaknesses, something like that.
 
Personally I would rather release an exaltation at a time of our choosing so we can find the new exalted and try and get them to join up. Rather then being caught by surprise, at a new exalted on side of enemy factions.
 
It fought a fey lord to keep it, so I suspect the critter is managing well enough. I agree it probably isn't one of the elemental Dragons, but it seems unlikely they will want to hand it over for free.

That's why we should be prepared to follow up our investigation with some bribe hunting.

It seems pretty reasonable to believe we'll need to fight or pay the dragon to get what we want, and fighting carries significant risk of an accidental release. Strictly a last resort option in my view. As long as whatever payment it needs isn't ridiculously beyond the pale hiring the dragon is better than killing it.

Molly is a ridiculous cheater of a craftswoman, so maybe we'll get lucky and have an option in that area. A gem of endless supernatural energy, a magical implement giving it irresponsibly vast power over the material world, immunity to its natural weaknesses, something like that.
I have little doubt it's an elemental dragon. It's just not one of the great elemental Dragons (capital D). It might be wanting to become one, however, and using the exaltation is a power source to try and boost its way up the celestial ladder.

Good point on fighting fae. I hope that the exaltation has given it bad stomach ache and it would quite like to release it.

Depending on a lot of factors, we might try for the same deal as the original one with Porter? Renovate their lair (improve the rating of its dragon nest fashion it a manse) with an option of alliance / fealty later? We are far more mighty than when we first met Porter. The situation mirrors that one at least a bit, and an underwater base is a very good thing to have - if nothing else it would be shielded from most nukes and other semi-conventional WMDs.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 5, 2024 at 10:53 AM, finished with 56 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Plan Scout First
    -[X] Apply ATP to self if not already applied
    -[X] move underwater towards the maximum range of clear underwater perception granted by BSM
    -[X] Activate All Things Betray with Willpower
    -[X] Using the dragon's lair or excrement as foci, find out what it thinks about the object you and kingfisher are after
    [X] Intercede with the dragon before the Vadderung's men can find it.
    [X] Call Donar Vadderung, you can speak more frankly with him, though you will also have to watch your words more
    [x]Put a cyberdevil into the ship's guidance systems
 
Arc 15 Post 14: What Sleeps under Nameless Peaks New
What Sleeps under Nameless Peaks

26st of February 2007 A.D.

"Mom," you call through he headphones and water-proof mike you have been careful enough to bring out to this swim. "Turns out I am gonna be late for dinner..." because I'll be diving into the lair of a dragon, you don't add. There are some times when you wonder if you should tell her what you're doing or just let her not worry, this isn't one of those times.

So you just add a 'sorry,' take the grumbling on the chin and wait for her to say bye first before diving into the black waters. Well, you guess that is how a poet might call them, the light of cloudy day fades quickly down here, swarms of silvery fish quickly and songs of distant whales giving way to a quiet and stillness disturbed only by the by the gentle fall of marine snow and, the faint light of jellies, fish and stranger things you wish Tiffany was here with you to name, but you can see just fine. The waters seem to whisper you its secrets, the fall of every spiraling spec. It's almost hypnotic, you could imagine yourself going down and down, not coming up for weeks and months as you explore a world as vast as that which lies above the waves filled with its own tragedies and triumphs.

Are there mermaids down here or were-sharks to go with the werewolves, does Atlantis really lie beneath the sea? All questions you could ask and answer if you took the time, but before temptation can get the better of you the bottom comes into view, though that almost seems like the wrong word to use for it.

Nameless peaks jut upwards from the Abyssal plains, birthed in fire, fated never to see the sun. landslides rumble over mountain passes that have felt fewer feet than the surface of the moon. The very act of breathing a gas at this pressure would tear apart the delicate machinery of the human body. Good thing I'm not human.

Gently you step onto the rock that feels pleasantly warm beneath your foot and notice something scuttling along, a ghostly white crab as a lion in its own narrow kingdom. It pays you no more mind that the night watchman back in Norway, though in this case it feels like you're the one being polite not to interrupt its feeding.


South and a little east you have yet to swim, the stone grows blacker, newer and the strange dancers in the deep, the eyeless fish and feathery jellies you wished you knew the names to grow fewer. The water is getting hotter, it's definitely not just you. There below you an arc of fire opens and closes rhythmically, breathing in sympathy to the one below.


What does the dragon think of the thing the Kingfisher and I seek?

The answer comes slow, not in words, but in flashes of emotion that are almost too vast to wrap your head around: Heavy... painful... duty...contentment... slumber... balance unexpected.... closeness.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 16/18 (Question)

That last feeling reminds you of something you might have missed if you hadn't just spent a few days with Hank, that sense of taking care of one of your siblings 40% amusement at watching them rush around, 20% worry that they are going to bump into something, 90% fondness and it doesn't even matter that adds up to 150%. The treasure is painful to bear but it's helping the dragon stay close to its family... You almost start to look around for a clutch of eggs like but then you remember the other kind of dragon kin, the knights you had freed from Arawn's dungeons.

The Blood of Dragons needs power to keep flowing, all around you is a dragon nest of vast and terrible power and yet the magic does not spill into the sea directed, it's being sent somewhere along the ley lines.

What do you do?

[] Literally poke the sleeping dragon and try to talk to it

[] Swim up to the ship and ask them if they have a plan for the dragon

[] Call Odin and ask him what he's doing

[] Write in


OOC: ATP was still on so you only paid essence for the question.
 
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Oh thats just precious. I want to befriend this one.

Whats the nature of dragons in dresden files?

I know one was an enemy of our dad, but are they neutral,evil,wild, their own civilisation?
 
Am I reading it wrong or is the dragon using whatever it ate to keep the dragonblooded exalted lineages viable?

Cause I'm thinking we shouldn't take it away from here since that might extinguish them as a group. Unless of course we can replace the power source.
 
Oh thats just precious. I want to befriend this one.

Whats the nature of dragons in dresden files?

I know one was an enemy of our dad, but are they neutral,evil,wild, their own civilisation?
There are five elemental Dragons, who are very similar to the exalted ones in terms of importance. Or at least former importance, they retain a lot of power but don't have the same positions in the order of the universe because the white god retired them as happened with the Titans.

Lowercase dragons are their children and attendants, who generally don't like humans very much but also don't go out of their way to mess with them.

Of the proper Dragons at least two are dead; wind and one other I don't recall. Fire and earth are definitely still alive, Harry insults the dragon of the earth once and ends up getting chased around his slice of the nevernever by a flight of pissed of hatchlings for a while.
 
There are five elemental Dragons, who are very similar to the exalted ones in terms of importance. Or at least former importance, they retain a lot of power but don't have the same positions in the order of the universe because the white god retired them as happened with the Titans.

Lowercase dragons are their children and attendants, who generally don't like humans very much but also don't go out of their way to mess with them.

Of the proper Dragons at least two are dead; wind and one other I don't recall. Fire and earth are definitely still alive, Harry insults the dragon of the earth once and ends up getting chased around his slice of the nevernever by a flight of pissed of hatchlings for a while.
I'm fairly sure there weren't ever only 5 just that not many are left. Also unsure how much your correlating quest stuff with dresden files stuff on the elemental thing or numbers.
 
So, build an am9lifier? A replacement? Or something for odin? Both?

We should talk to odin. Make sure he has the same info and open negotiations.
 
Heavy... painful... duty...contentment... slumber... balance unexpected.... closeness.
The Blood of Dragons needs power to keep flowing, all around you is a dragon nest of vast and terrible power and yet the magic does not spill into the sea directed, it's being sent somewhere along the ley lines.
So it's using it as a power source but it's also noted to be painful. Could look into fixing the Dragon Nest here so he can use that instead or could look into crafting something else. I imagine the dragon would prefer a power source that doesn't cause it pain.
 
Yes.
But we dont want to steal from a dragon holding up a lineage of empowered humans because they are their family.

I mean, i hope we dont.

And we can ask all the questions we want on odin.

He is not our enemy.
Diplomacy seems the best way forward
 
So... convert the Dragon Nest into a proper Manse designed to improve Dragonblooded breeding, get the Exaltation (because yeah, this is a celestial exaltation, I am sure of it now) in exchange? And also maybe the fealty of a dragonblooded family?

Hell, guys, we are going to be a proper first age solaroid soon! Dragonblooded legions and all. And it's really Porter 2.0, writ large. Also the dragon may well be on the cusp of becoming a Dragon.

Right now:
[X] Use the scene as the focus to find where the power is being sent to, go there

Find the dragonblooded family (who probably worship the dragon as a god), talk to them, come back after having secured a friendly face.
 
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Yep, that is what it is doing, though it wouldn't be all of them just some. After all this thing has only been here for fourteen hundred years or so.
Okay, with confirmation I'm more interested in meeting the Dragonblooded than stealing from their doting grandparent.

If they're nice I'm tempted to build the dragon an endless essence snack bar and immunity trinket so that whoever comes down here to take it gets the worst possible surprise.
I'm fairly sure there weren't ever only 5 just that not many are left. Also unsure how much your correlating quest stuff with dresden files stuff on the elemental thing or numbers.
There are many dragons, but very few Dragons:

ferrovax – is this because he's the OLDEST dragon? (i thought it was an empty boast) or because he's a dragon?
Ferrovax feels absolutely no need to boast. It's because he /is/ a Dragon, large D, an elemental force of the cosmos. He isn't some kind of Smaug hanging around a nice apartment. He's a Dragon in a more Asian sense of the concept, a semi-divine being who was once given authority over various portions of the mortal universe, and who was responsible for their orderly procession. There /are/ Smauglike dragons (though not nearly as many now as there have been in the past, thanks George!) but they are essentially nothing but emissaries and servitors created in the image of the real thing.
Regardless of big D or little d, dragons almost universally resent humanity for usurping the balance of power in the world

What ever happened to Siriothrax's hoard? Did any of the magical powerups in the series we've seen so far originate there?
1) Heh, it's still right where it was. NO ONE wants to pick up anything from a Dragon's hoard. Talk about Death Curses…
The other dragon still walking the earth is named Pyrovax
Once & Future Podcast @~60m
Dragons are the kind of forces that you put in charge of things like..
"It's time for another ice age, you- go handle that."
"We really need this continent to be split by a giant river, arrange it."
"Ok."
That's the kind of thing that Dragons would be doing

Cite

I'm pretty sure there's a more specific cite out there, but I don't have time to dig too deep right now.

There is a pretty obvious inference to be made from the only named big Dragons being named for a single element that they rule over with no overlap or competition among themselves.

Fire, Earth, and Wind.
 
[X] Use the scene as the focus to find where the power is being sent to, go there
I think this is a really important course of action... The situation is too complicated now to let Odin take everything. To the point where we will probably have to go into open confrontation. There is too much uniqueness at stake to lose it.
 
I believe a compromise should be possible.

Did i miss something?
Is this the end all and be all for odin and he wont accept a compromise?



Is there some lore about him being unreasonable?

Why cant qe talk to the guy?

Aside from him having an ability to divine information?
 
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