Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Wait. Does Sophia count as Molly enough for MiM @DragonParadox ? Perhaps if we let her use Usum to do the deed?

Even if she can't in a general sense being our weapon for the purposes of a scene we share doesn't seem too broken.
 
Can you clarify if SSC is a regular action which inflicts multi action penalties but can pair with an attack or an attack itself?

Someone with a spirit killer should do it, just to be sure.

SSC takes your whole turn

System: Concentrating fully upon her target, the Infernal's player makes a Willpower roll against difficulty 7. If in combat, this is her action for the current turn. For each success she rolls, her target loses one die from whatever action they're currently attempting.

Wait. Does Sophia count as Molly enough for MiM @DragonParadox ? Perhaps if we let her use Usum to do the deed?

Even if she can't in a general sense being our weapon for the purposes of a scene we share doesn't seem too broken.

Unfortunately not, she cannot use the active parts of charms which MiM is
 
If the curse is levied against us (does the death curse need to be against one's murderer? I can see both arguments for and against that), we still have a perfect shaping defense, which should protect us. I can see some workarounds, like a curse to show false images to our Crown or something like that. But I think we can probably trust in our perfect defenses. He's not anywhere close enough to levy the Great Curse on us, I think.

We do 110% need to make sure he's permadead. So, no real choice here.
 
If the curse is levied against us (does the death curse need to be against one's murderer? I can see both arguments for and against that), we still have a perfect shaping defense, which should protect us. I can see some workarounds, like a curse to show false images to our Crown or something like that. But I think we can probably trust in our perfect defenses. He's not anywhere close enough to levy the Great Curse on us, I think.

We do 110% need to make sure he's permadead. So, no real choice here.

It is stronger when levied against one's murderer, but it does not have to be. Hell technically it does not have to be a curse, though rare is the wizard able to cast a blessing on their allies in the midst of dying and it's er... not this one. :V
 
If the curse is levied against us (does the death curse need to be against one's murderer? I can see both arguments for and against that), we still have a perfect shaping defense, which should protect us. I can see some workarounds, like a curse to show false images to our Crown or something like that. But I think we can probably trust in our perfect defenses. He's not anywhere close enough to levy the Great Curse on us, I think.

We do 110% need to make sure he's permadead. So, no real choice here.
Yog I'm not sure God himself could replicate the great curse that was a undertaking of many primordials and their death curses.
 
If the curse is levied against us (does the death curse need to be against one's murderer? I can see both arguments for and against that), we still have a perfect shaping defense, which should protect us. I can see some workarounds, like a curse to show false images to our Crown or something like that. But I think we can probably trust in our perfect defenses. He's not anywhere close enough to levy the Great Curse on us, I think.

We do 110% need to make sure he's permadead. So, no real choice here.
I think work arounds like that would also run into our perfect. The part of the spell that tried to reference her would be subject to the defense.

If it didn't work like that then there'd be no point in the ability, everyone would make their curses follow the user and actively do stuff around them for the same result as it not existing.
 
And if the death curse is just damage we are in Shintai with full health. Any single attack no matter how massive can only knock us out of Shintai. (Which we don't want since that causes 4 damage, but still nothing is going to one hit KO us.)
 
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And if the death curse is just damage we are in Shintai with full health. Any single attack no matter how massive can only knock us out of Shintai. (Which we don't want since that causes 4 damage, but still nothing is going to one hit KO us.)
I mean I'm being a nitpicker but there are infinite damage attacks in exalted not that this dude could do them. Sorry I know I'm basically saying um actually just wanted to mention it. I mean not even we could do them fairly sure you need to be essence 5, meet some attribute requirements, and buy something before you can buy said charm which costs a lot. Unsure infernals even have those kinds of attacks.
 
I mean I'm being a nitpicker but there are infinite damage attacks in exalted not that this dude could do them. Sorry I know I'm basically saying um actually just wanted to mention it. I mean not even we could do them fairly sure you need to be essence 5, meet some attribute requirements, and buy something before you can buy said charm which costs a lot. Unsure infernals even have those kinds of attacks.
Ya so? That would still be the case for a infinite damage attack.
 
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Jokes on him. We could just use the Crown on this conversation later. 😂

Wait, seriously? We can use the Crown on scenes after they're over?

Ahahahahahaha that's so perfect.
That means, since we can use the crown on him even after he's dead, and on people he's met (see Mister/Mab), we could just mine him for everything he knew!

AFTER killing him, of course.

imma note infernals are really fucking bad at uplift compared to most exalted.

As mentioned, see Hellworld. (And canonically, see "Infernals have the best kits to tackle Creation as a "home renovation" project. Leave the kingdoms and conquest to lesser, petty Exalts." for 2e's non-auto-populated hellworld infernals.)

More importantly, while we aren't the top dog in terms of power, we do have a certain useful balance between "power," "ability to freely move," and "mental flexibility" - the Senior Council is also really powerful and flexible (bar thresholds), but they're all centuries old and somewhat entrapped in the current social order and their developed mental paradigms. More exalts would be great, but they'd also offer competition and threaten Molly's current dominance - especially Solars, who get huge boosts against Creatures of Darkness, have a better craft multiplier (x2 even if not Supernal, x4 if so). It's probably worth keeping any other exalts out of the picture for now, so Molly can get more of a head start: They shake the setting and give us a possibly hostile competitor for things like "offering ancient sorcery to Winter and Summer," even if they lack the Crown.


A Death Curse is a reflexive action at the moment of death, he does not need a turn before you to use it.

Makes sense. I wonder - does MiM harvest the energy they're trying to use for a death curse? Or would SSC hinder his attempt to cast anything more complicated than an explosion?

Trying to figure out which is better. EAPP would protect Molly either way (even if not successfully), but if he's spiteful enough he could do something nasty to the others.


[Maybe] Kill him now
-[maybe] And Murder is Meat his soul, if he has any left.

Or
[Maybe] Maintain SSC while Sophia kills him now.
 
[X] Kill him now
-[X] And Murder is Meat his soul, if he has any left.
 
Wait, seriously? We can use the Crown on scenes after they're over?

Ahahahahahaha that's so perfect.
That means, since we can use the crown on him even after he's dead, and on people he's met (see Mister/Mab), we could just mine him for everything he knew!

AFTER killing him, of course.



As mentioned, see Hellworld. (And canonically, see "Infernals have the best kits to tackle Creation as a "home renovation" project. Leave the kingdoms and conquest to lesser, petty Exalts." for 2e's non-auto-populated hellworld infernals.)

More importantly, while we aren't the top dog in terms of power, we do have a certain useful balance between "power," "ability to freely move," and "mental flexibility" - the Senior Council is also really powerful and flexible (bar thresholds), but they're all centuries old and somewhat entrapped in the current social order and their developed mental paradigms. More exalts would be great, but they'd also offer competition and threaten Molly's current dominance - especially Solars, who get huge boosts against Creatures of Darkness, have a better craft multiplier (x2 even if not Supernal, x4 if so). It's probably worth keeping any other exalts out of the picture for now, so Molly can get more of a head start: They shake the setting and give us a possibly hostile competitor for things like "offering ancient sorcery to Winter and Summer," even if they lack the Crown.




Makes sense. I wonder - does MiM harvest the energy they're trying to use for a death curse? Or would SSC hinder his attempt to cast anything more complicated than an explosion?

Trying to figure out which is better. EAPP would protect Molly either way (even if not successfully), but if he's spiteful enough he could do something nasty to the others.


[Maybe] Kill him now
-[maybe] And Murder is Meat his soul, if he has any left.

Or
[Maybe] Maintain SSC while Sophia kills him now.
I'mma note exalts could already exist and doylist is if dp wants us to have competition he'll insert competition no matter what.
 
He's an Arete 10 Wizard, I'm pretty sure his Death Curse--while not Great Curse level--is pretty much "Anyone without a Perfect Shaping Defense Just Gets Fucked without any saving throw whatsoever, and even a Perfect Shaping Defense might have to do a roll-off on it"
 
[X] Kill him now
-[X] And Murder is Meat his soul, if he has any left.


Yeah, this is such bait in a trap it isn't even funny, kill this horror and end this place
 
I'mma note exalts could already exist and doylist is if dp wants us to have competition he'll insert competition no matter what.

We have competition, in that other people can match or exceed us in power.

But there's limitations on those who do, from their own commitments to limits on where they can use their might.

Other exalts don't have that, and Solars are generally better than us. Worse, they have no reason to keep the Masquerade going - and the Dresdenverse lacks the same level of ridiculous conspiracy that OWOD had (although it can get close, given its various masterminds). A solar lighting up in public? Makes a ton of supernaturals the public enemy of humanity (see 'nuclear option'), and puts the Exalted on a ton of supernatural people's radar.

Our choices matter here. We won't avoid all conflict by having no other exalts - but we do get some advantages, and likely better ones than getting a possible extra allied exalt (and an unknown number of additional nonallies wrecking the setting's equilibrium).
 
We have competition, in that other people can match or exceed us in power.

But there's limitations on those who do, from their own commitments to limits on where they can use their might.

Other exalts don't have that, and Solars are generally better than us. Worse, they have no reason to keep the Masquerade going - and the Dresdenverse lacks the same level of ridiculous conspiracy that OWOD had (although it can get close, given its various masterminds). A solar lighting up in public? Makes a ton of supernaturals the public enemy of humanity (see 'nuclear option'), and puts the Exalted on a ton of supernatural people's radar.

Our choices matter here. We won't avoid all conflict by having no other exalts - but we do get some advantages, and likely better ones than getting a possible extra allied exalt (and an unknown number of additional nonallies wrecking the setting's equilibrium).
some of said competitors probably exist as in stasis I mean we found some dragonbloods. Whose to say no solars or abyssals are out there. Fairly sure we got told demonreach has some given what dp said their clearly no longer human.
 
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