Actually, this is a good point. @DragonParadox how does Molly square this circle? She's projecting her domain over the labyrinth / near outside of Hollow Man. Is angel inside of it?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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[X] Lift the curse, launch yourself at the Hollow Man, with an angel here you shouldn't have to hold the center
It is just outside your range.
@DragonParadox is "What are the beings disturbed by the events in this scene" a valid Crown question, or does this run into "crown cannot see itself"?
[X] Plan: Charms Heretical
-[X] If the umbral fetid anger of your curse draws an angel of the Lord to rebut you and possibly draws the attention of things Beyond mortal ken, then you shall craft a new one from tenacity and and Iron Winds.
--[X] Scouring of the Iron wind - With a bone chilling Roar The Inferno scours the efforts of her Target with the iron gales of the Five Fold Court of Fate and the predatory Roar of the great Beasts that roam its deadly plains.
--[X] Stunt: The shadows shift and recede. In its place The Winds of your hell whip and whorl. If the shadowed hatred will not do, then you will curse him with everything you've got from your resolve at saving who you came for and tenacity at stopping this Abomination from hurting anyone else. Rolling your shoulders and taking a deep breath your face to the dead stars above. You roar. A roar so unnatural and thunderous a mix between the Roar of a thousand monsters and the grinding of a million shards of steel. That the labyrinth shakes beneath your feet that the skies quake and quiver at your exhalation.
@DragonParadox is this okay at this point it's a straight up heretical charm that converts Shadow spite curse into her own variant matched to her hell.
-[X] If the umbral fetid anger of your curse draws an angel of the Lord to rebut you and possibly draws the attention of things Beyond mortal ken, then you shall craft a new one from tenacity and and Iron Winds.
--[X] Scouring of the Iron wind - With a bone chilling Roar The Inferno scours the efforts of her Target with the iron gales of the Five Fold Court of Fate and the predatory Roar of the great Beasts that roam its deadly plains.
--[X] Stunt: The shadows shift and recede. In its place The Winds of your hell whip and whorl. If the shadowed hatred will not do, then you will curse him with everything you've got from your resolve at saving who you came for and tenacity at stopping this Abomination from hurting anyone else. Rolling your shoulders and taking a deep breath your face to the dead stars above. You roar. A roar so unnatural and thunderous a mix between the Roar of a thousand monsters and the grinding of a million shards of steel. That the labyrinth shakes beneath your feet that the skies quake and quiver at your exhalation.
@DragonParadox is this okay at this point it's a straight up heretical charm that converts Shadow spite curse into her own variant matched to her hell.
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boo600
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I do have an extensive list of crown-related questions. And it can look at the scene it's in; asking people's opinions on Molly is doable. Why not ask who she's disturbing?
It is Valid, you are using the potential disturbance, the scene, as the focus.
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[X] Abide by the judgement, trust that the angel can drive Drusus off and you can recover the souls you came looking for, though it galls you to let him continue to exist
You will keep faith, in this at the end of everything, you hope there are answers to be found as well
I mean. I just think I like this best for the character option. I really love Molly's faith and how it keeps being something she cares about so deeply, and want to make this decision based on that.
You will keep faith, in this at the end of everything, you hope there are answers to be found as well
I mean. I just think I like this best for the character option. I really love Molly's faith and how it keeps being something she cares about so deeply, and want to make this decision based on that.
boo600
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Excellent! And it avoids directly looking into the angel, as well!
I wonder what she could gain - or lose - from learning about Malfeas?
Of course, stories of Faith, where God is Important Above All Things, tend not to go well for the doubters.
But. This is a quest, and one where Molly had the option to wonder, "why don't the angels keep the outsiders out? Why fae? Why cruelty?" God may be Cytherea, Sol Invictus, or even a psychoticsquirrel Solar from the First Age. Maybe we should ask more questions.
(Not that Uriel wasn't perfectly lovely, or unwilling to admit fault. But our Urge is to Question, so I'm down for this)
I wonder what she could gain - or lose - from learning about Malfeas?
Of course, stories of Faith, where God is Important Above All Things, tend not to go well for the doubters.
But. This is a quest, and one where Molly had the option to wonder, "why don't the angels keep the outsiders out? Why fae? Why cruelty?" God may be Cytherea, Sol Invictus, or even a psychotic
(Not that Uriel wasn't perfectly lovely, or unwilling to admit fault. But our Urge is to Question, so I'm down for this)
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[X] Abide by the judgement, trust that the angel can drive Drusus off and you can recover the souls you came looking for, though it galls you to let him continue to exist
[X] Yog
Pride is the deadliest sin guys, an Infernal Exalted ignoring good advice and getting bad results is like everything we're trying not to do.
[X] Yog
Pride is the deadliest sin guys, an Infernal Exalted ignoring good advice and getting bad results is like everything we're trying not to do.
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in fairness to God dresden files God wog doesn't care if someone worships him. So clearly stuff like the bible is wrong to some extent in universe.
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That's not advice. And certainly not kind of good. That's a threat, and honestly I don't think that's a very convincing argument. Angel or not, I don't think she deserves to disrupt the battle.
boo600
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All fair points. I really don't want things to go horribly wrong, lessening Molly's self confidence, Michael's faith in her, and her ability to deal with Charity, as well as discouraging her from asking questions of authority figures! Can you imagine?
That being said:
This is not an obviously Abrahamic Angel. This Angel is not necessarily a messenger of God, specifically. She may yet serve another.
And besides, she threatened an exalt. To try and make them not do something. Her wisdom score can't be that high.
[X] Better to seek forgiveness than ask permission, signal the others to keep fighting, keep the curse going
That being said:
This is not an obviously Abrahamic Angel. This Angel is not necessarily a messenger of God, specifically. She may yet serve another.
And besides, she threatened an exalt. To try and make them not do something. Her wisdom score can't be that high.
[X] Better to seek forgiveness than ask permission, signal the others to keep fighting, keep the curse going
[X] Plan In the Light of the Crown
-[X] Use the Crown on the Current scene to ask "What are the beings disturbed by the events in this scene"
--[X] If no being that the Angel may be bound to guard against waking is being disturbed, then
---[X] Better to seek forgiveness than ask permission, signal the others to keep fighting, keep the curse going
---[X] Activate Source Code Compliance Protocol
---[X] STUNT: Bright is the flame of your soul atop the mountain in the center of this foul nether realm. Like thunder is your voice, the rumble of a great Beast Upon the Mountain from before Ages past, in the language spoken before Creation itself was conceived: "Hear me, oh angel, and by the flames of my Crown know this to be true - you are mistaken, for none under your charge are roused by my words. My and mine alone is the power invoked"
--[X] If there is something waking up, lift the curse, launch yourself at the Hollow Man, with an angel here you shouldn't have to hold the center
And yes, I am invoking and referencing Marduk.
-[X] Use the Crown on the Current scene to ask "What are the beings disturbed by the events in this scene"
--[X] If no being that the Angel may be bound to guard against waking is being disturbed, then
---[X] Better to seek forgiveness than ask permission, signal the others to keep fighting, keep the curse going
---[X] Activate Source Code Compliance Protocol
---[X] STUNT: Bright is the flame of your soul atop the mountain in the center of this foul nether realm. Like thunder is your voice, the rumble of a great Beast Upon the Mountain from before Ages past, in the language spoken before Creation itself was conceived: "Hear me, oh angel, and by the flames of my Crown know this to be true - you are mistaken, for none under your charge are roused by my words. My and mine alone is the power invoked"
--[X] If there is something waking up, lift the curse, launch yourself at the Hollow Man, with an angel here you shouldn't have to hold the center
And yes, I am invoking and referencing Marduk.
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Everyone seems to be pinging you at once here, @DragonParadox, sorry, but another question: have we, in-character, been warned against this sort of thing by angels before?
Because if not - and I genuinely can't remember - it feels incredibly remiss of them only to spring this on us at a moment like this.
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Also, I've had an idea for a stunt - one that could, honestly, work with most courses of action, though it's largely designed for the middle road (that is, acknowledging the restriction but not simply saying "gotta have faith").
- [] STUNT: You turn away slightly from the Hollow Man, letting your contempt for that husk of life that seeks the ruin of all creation fuel the curse that you do not - yet - let abate.
-- [] It pains you to do so - in a way that can only come from a lifetime's faith clashing with what you know to be right - but even so you fix the silvered eyes of the angel before you with a gaze of both flesh and flaring Essence.
-- [] "Tell me plain, Keeper of Shadowed Things: do you speak words from angelic lips that would trammel my will? In a moment advantageous to all that writhes beyond the Gates, no less? That is not an act done lightly or without answer, either now or in time to come."
Thoughts, everyone? I know that I could well be missing or misinterpreting something here (especially given that I've decided that writing is something to do immediately post dental work, for some unfathomable reason).
EDIT: But also, I like Yog's option as well, even if it does use some now very low Essence reserves.
Because if not - and I genuinely can't remember - it feels incredibly remiss of them only to spring this on us at a moment like this.
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Also, I've had an idea for a stunt - one that could, honestly, work with most courses of action, though it's largely designed for the middle road (that is, acknowledging the restriction but not simply saying "gotta have faith").
- [] STUNT: You turn away slightly from the Hollow Man, letting your contempt for that husk of life that seeks the ruin of all creation fuel the curse that you do not - yet - let abate.
-- [] It pains you to do so - in a way that can only come from a lifetime's faith clashing with what you know to be right - but even so you fix the silvered eyes of the angel before you with a gaze of both flesh and flaring Essence.
-- [] "Tell me plain, Keeper of Shadowed Things: do you speak words from angelic lips that would trammel my will? In a moment advantageous to all that writhes beyond the Gates, no less? That is not an act done lightly or without answer, either now or in time to come."
Thoughts, everyone? I know that I could well be missing or misinterpreting something here (especially given that I've decided that writing is something to do immediately post dental work, for some unfathomable reason).
EDIT: But also, I like Yog's option as well, even if it does use some now very low Essence reserves.
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The white god himself isn't clearly abrahamic in dresden files I'm fairly sure the naagloshi use to have a tangential connection to God in dresden files. I mean we're just short of being told even the angels have different names in with uriels response to nicknames from dresden.
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You have never been warned that you might wake unspeakable things, on the other hand by the nature of them being unspeakable there is an argument to be made for not warning you, the same one as lies at the core of the Oblivion War. You are at this moment in an extraordinary place.
BoredMan
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I don't really get this. DP said that Molly doesn't feel like her charm use is disturbing or waking something up. I doubt it actually is. The Angel showed up to the scene quite possibly missing context for what it's seeing. I don't actually think she knows what she's talking about.
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Honestly, my immediate thought is "fuck the police"
But I think Yog's plan or one of the stunts is probably the best so far?
As much as Molly is faithful in ways I truly cannot understand, … this is an angel seeking to save an outsider cultist seeking to unmake reality, no matter her reasons, that cannot be a challenge unanswered, no matter how much Molly trusts the pigeons.
But I think Yog's plan or one of the stunts is probably the best so far?
As much as Molly is faithful in ways I truly cannot understand, … this is an angel seeking to save an outsider cultist seeking to unmake reality, no matter her reasons, that cannot be a challenge unanswered, no matter how much Molly trusts the pigeons.
Molly, barring the Crown, might be mistaken. An angel, even with Intellectus, might also be mistaken, as shown by Uriel. An angel, however, is likely to know about our Crown, or understand the significance. By using the Crown in front of the angel, we ensure that we have the correct information, and we make sure the angel knows it too.
Basically, force the angel to either call us a liar with no evidence, or back off.
To be fair "you are about to wake up Ebon Dragon's Neverborn" is one of those events where I would expect the situation to very quickly escalate to the point Uriel and Lucifer both appear and politely, but firmly request we stop.
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[x] Lift the curse, launch yourself at the Hollow Man, with an angel here you shouldn't have to hold the center
We aren't really lifting the curse so much as finding a better use for our actions.
We aren't really lifting the curse so much as finding a better use for our actions.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
DP said that the White God did not send this Angel here to stop or warn us. It's solely here because of the HM and I think some people may have missed him saying as much.
I think people need to actually think over what that means. If the White God did not send her down here to warn us then the Ebon Dragon is fine.
Good point about convincing her I suppose though it assumes she has critical information which she may not.