Hmm id be a sign of trust atleast and clues them in which might help for the merge.

Not outright tell them the plan but gives hints. Whether thats good or bad depends though still i think its eort since they have both high rep and experience as heroes

Also I know crusade wount cause trouble but security is other troublemakers which could appear right? So having heavy hitter like noelle buff security or would they not matter in Cenotaph?
 
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Assessing our teammates by how well they can Address, Recruit, or Protect the crowd

Lady Leizi: I don't think any of her social impediments apply here. Not because she's the leader of the team(though that certainly helps); it's because Justice Unlimited was her family. She needs to be here, no ifs ands or buts. On a different topic, I don't think she's *bad* at recruiting by any means but I do think her relevant strengths lie in heart to hearts(as strange as it may sound), which is sort of the exact opposite of talking to random people out of a crowd. Her ability to spot Hostile actors is of course unparalleled, but her ability to stop them is, and I wouldn't be surprised if she accidentally let one or two panted hecklers slip by.

Mona: Mona can thrive anywhere. The public adores her, she has tons to say about the deceased, she's close personal friends with multiple candidates, and she can fucking obliterate anyone stupid enough to mess with us during the ceremony! She's so damn good that I think its more constructive to look at her failings than her strengths, but I don't trust myself to do that without alienating anyone generous enough to read this far. But as a former journalism student with Moral OCD, I am honorbound to say this no matter the personal cost. So here it goes: I do not believe Mona is good at reducing our enemies ability to speak against us.

She made a DAMN good showing against Silvio when he was talking shit, but whenever I look back on that scene I can't help but feel she did basically nothing to address his points? She just flew in, called him a clout chaser, said "that video was faked, I'm right", and kicked his airs of good intentions in the nuts.

Now, do I think she had any options that could adress his grievances without leaking or leaving out vital information? Do I think discretion is the better part of valor? Do I think her ability to do all this and still have the public side with her is a rarer and more valuable skill? And do. i. think. that this is either the time or place where that capacity for social self-defense is on the forefront of the public's mind?

No, Yes, Yes, and No. But it is my solem belief that if Mona is on that stage, she will do more to raise our public standing than she will to reduce its future reductions. And I simply think that's important angle to consider.

Recruitment: Mona can effortlessly work the crowd and has preexisting friendships with atleast 3 future candidates. Thats not nothing; thats enough to make this whole section worth it on its own!

The only problem is that these people could be publicly seen interacting with an out metahuman. Mona doesn't have a secret identity, and if any of these people are seen gaining suspiciously late powers, or god forbid turn dysmorphic, that's going to turn some heads!

I don't begrudge anyone who thinks this segment of my essay is blatant and shameful fearmongering that ignores bitterman's ample and readily viewable promises to not stomp our hopes to the ground. Because it absolutely is, especially when a writer of Bitterman's quality can find numerous ways around that very issue. Truth be told, I can't think of am ending to this schpiel that keeps my credibility in tact. So like Mona, im not even gonna try and instead say this: if anyone is still reading this, thank you.

Protection: Mona's not the best at spotting people and her powers, despite training, aren't the best at firing into large crowds of civilians. That's it.

Rhys/Handyman: Handyman isn't the most popular or outwardly effective hero on our team, and his civilian self is sort of. Just Some Guy? He's a soldier, a competent everyman whose liked by everyone on our staff, and he mightve publicly dated an Algernon, but in all other respects to the public he's an average man. He only knew one person on the team, and she's alive.

Recruitment: His ability to shapeshift opens unique opertunities when working a crowd, and he has a certain charm to him that might net us a recruit. He's basically got everything going for him, except a good REP score. But these are characters and not numbers so I'm willing to let that slide. Here, being Just Some Guy could be a bonus for him! Handyman is also...an option. Again, I'm not confident the public loves or views him as an effective hero. Even if he's not good at this, I doubt shapeshifting would ever let him be *bad* beyond not actually recruiting someone

Protection: like Leizi he's a spotter, not a fighter.

Maddie/Menagerie: now HERE'S a curveball! Letting her civilian identity speak basically destroys Crusade's scheduled "debate" before it even starts(assuming it wasn't already: who the hell schedules a debate during a funeral?). Menagerie in comparison is merely "good" because she's a badass teen hero. Menagerie's vibe and minions are very funeral-friendly, but by that same token most people might have concerns from the Shadow Monster issue. Madeleine would be good for recruitment because any faux pas could be passed off as her being a Weird Teenage Girl. Likewise, her pets give her amazing area control

Opale: She's a good speaker and our second in command, its a very sensible pick even if she doesn't know the dead very well. She's also spent a lifetime "working the crowd" under her sisters orders so I wouldn't be surprised if she was sick of it. I'm also willing to leave her on protection duty

John Henry: John knew and deeply cared about the members of Justice Unlimited and can be trusted to give an familiar, heartfelt eulogy on par with Lady Leizi's. He wouldn't be a good fit for crowd working for the same my mom wouldn't. It's just not in his character. And call me crazy, but I don't think he's been trained enough to spatially sort through large crowds of people. Plus I'm pretty sure Opale's power is better at guarding crowds of people, but I'm willing to be wrong

Ellie: Doesn't know these people, is not a outspoken people person, and is wearing stupidly advanced power armor. You tell me

Chaucer: I think he could give a good speech! He was a hero, he was close enough to the team to be in their will, AND he's the famine slayer! As fall as straightforwad memorials go, he's basically second only to John Henry!(and LL but she doesn't count: being the lone survivor makes you a shoe-in). I don't think he'll beat John at crowd working unless the whole "famine slaying" thing means the public sees him as a Recognized Nice Man a la Mr Rogers. But Protection? Fuggedabout it!!!! This dude's an older, less fit and less trained Lady Leizi.

Dr Ibis, Sr/Jack Handsome, International Man of Mystery: he was legitimately close to many members of the team, if a little...Doofenshmirtz about it. I'd normally call him a darkhorse candidate but he's sort of suffering from the whole. You know. Being dead thing. And Jack Handsome is basically an in-universe meme, so that's out. Emeril doesn't have the chill to manage a funeral. A party? That's definitely the right energy. He has no monsters, and thus no use as a guard.

Dr Ibis, Sarah: only knows JU as her father's enemies who banned him from beetle fighting. She's better at Rep than her father, but again: funerals aren't her strength. She is also monsterless, and thus shan't do much on guard duty

Medicant: They doesn't know the team that well and sadly, will not be aggressively horny during a eulogy. I say sadly because if there was ever a team that could manage to pull it off, it would probably be JU. They're also not the best public speaker. Or personal speaker. Really anything that gives them a chance to put their foot in their month's a bit of a no-go. Their ability to work the crowd rests firmly on their clout as a healer and the assumption that many of these people were with them in the apiary. That might get us 1 or 2 recruits, come to think of it! They are probably useless in a fight.

Wolong: historically pro-JU before JU was even a thing. His presence and moving eulogy will give legitimacy in the public eye even if his is a starting to become underfire. As an analytical precog, wolong could forsee problems before they start, which makes him great support in crowd management AND protecting. But I don't think he'll be a good recruiter so guard duty wins

Gentlemen James: hes a well-liked fellow hero who cam be trusted to make a speech. He has the charisma to be great at crowd control or recruitment. So-so as a guard.

Palisade: I do not know this woman

Miss Naught: my gut tells me she make an average speech, mid crowd control. I forgot her power and don't care because I've been writing for hours.

Dreamcatcher: I feel like if he had to make a speech about JU he'd dream about them, and dream clones feels in bad taste. I don't know if he'd be good or terrible at CC/Recruitment but i refuse to believe it's in the middle. His skill as a guard is a diceroll
 
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Assessing our teammates by how well they can Address, Recruit, or Protect the crowd

Lady Leizi: I don't think any of her social impediments apply here. Not because she's the leader of the team(though that certainly helps); it's because Justice Unlimited was her family. She needs to be here, no ifs ands or buts. On a different topic, I don't think she's *bad* at recruiting by any means but I do think her relevant strengths lie in heart to hearts(as strange as it may sound), which is sort of the exact opposite of talking to random people out of a crowd. Her ability to spot Hostile actors is of course unparalleled, but her ability to stop them is, and I wouldn't be surprised if she accidentally let one or two panted hecklers slip by.

Mona: Mona can thrive anywhere. The public adores her, she has tons to say about the deceased, she's close personal friends with multiple candidates, and she can fucking obliterate anyone stupid enough to mess with us during the ceremony! She's so damn good that I think its more constructive to look at her failings than her strengths, but I don't trust myself to do that without alienating anyone generous enough to read this far. But as a former journalism student with Moral OCD, I am honorbound to say this no matter the personal cost. So here it goes: I do not believe Mona is good at reducing our enemies ability to speak against us.

She made a DAMN good showing against Silvio when he was talking shit, but whenever I look back on that scene I can't help but feel she did basically nothing to address his points? She just flew in, called him a clout chaser, said "that video was faked, I'm right", and kicked his airs of good intentions in the nuts.

Now, do I think she had any options that could adress his grievances without leaking or leaving out vital information? Do I think discretion is the better part of valor? Do I think her ability to do all this and still have the public side with her is a rarer and more valuable skill? And do. i. think. that this is either the time or place where that capacity for social self-defense is on the forefront of the public's mind?

No, Yes, Yes, and No. But it is my solem belief that if Mona is on that stage, she will do more to raise our public standing than she will to reduce its future reductions. And I simply think that's important angle to consider.

Recruitment: Mona can effortlessly work the crowd and has preexisting friendships with atleast 3 future candidates. Thats not nothing; thats enough to make this whole section worth it on its own!

The only problem is that these people could be publicly seen interacting with an out metahuman. Mona doesn't have a secret identity, and if any of these people are seen gaining suspiciously late powers, or god forbid turn dysmorphic, that's going to turn some heads!

I don't begrudge anyone who thinks this segment of my essay is blatant and shameful fearmongering that ignores bitterman's ample and readily viewable promises to not stomp our hopes to the ground. Because it absolutely is, especially when a writer of Bitterman's quality can find numerous ways around that very issue. Truth be told, I can't think of am ending to this schpiel that keeps my credibility in tact. So like Mona, im not even gonna try and instead say this: if anyone is still reading this, thank you.

Protection: Mona's not the best at spotting people and her powers, despite training, aren't the best at firing into large crowds of civilians. That's it.

Rhys/Handyman: Handyman isn't the most popular or outwardly effective hero on our team, and his civilian self is sort of. Just Some Guy? He's a soldier, a competent everyman whose liked by everyone on our staff, and he mightve publicly dated an Algernon, but in all other respects to the public he's an average man. He only knew one person on the team, and she's alive.

Recruitment: His ability to shapeshift opens unique opertunities when working a crowd, and he has a certain charm to him that might net us a recruit. He's basically got everything going for him, except a good REP score. But these are characters and not numbers so I'm willing to let that slide. Here, being Just Some Guy could be a bonus for him! Handyman is also...an option. Again, I'm not confident the public loves or views him as an effective hero. But he's got to have *some* fans by now. Even if he's not good at this, I doubt shapeshifting would ever let him be *bad* beyond not actually recruiting someone

Protection: like Leizi he's a spotter, not a fighter.

Maddie/Menagerie: now HERE'S a curveball! Letting her civilian identity speak basically destroys Crusade's scheduled "debate" before it even starts(assuming it wasn't already: who the hell schedules a debate during a funeral?). Menagerie in comparison is merely "good" because she's a badass teen hero. I could see either of her identities do well at "crowd control": Menagerie's vibe and minions are very funeral-friendly, but Madeleine would be good for recruitment because any faux pas could be passed off as her being a Weird Teenage Girl. Likewise, her pets give her amazing area control

Opale: She's a good speaker and our second in command, its a very sensible pick even if she doesn't know the dead very well. She's also spent a lifetime "working the crowd" under her sisters orders so I wouldn't be surprised if she was sick of it. I'm also willing to leave her on protection duty

John Henry: John knew and deeply cared about the members of Justice Unlimited and can be trusted to give an familiar, heartfelt eulogy on par with Lady Leizi's. He wouldn't be a good fit for crowd working for the same my mom wouldn't. It's just not in his character. And call me crazy, but I don't think he's been trained enough to spatially sort through large crowds of people. Plus I'm pretty sure Opale's power is better at guarding crowds of people, but I'm willing to be wrong

Ellie: Doesn't know these people, is not a outspoken people person, and is wearing stupidly advanced power armor. You tell me

Chaucer: I think he could give a good speech! He was a hero, he was close enough to the team to be in their will, AND he's the famine slayer! As fall as straightforwad memorials go, he's basically second only to John Henry!(and LL but she doesn't count: being the lone survivor makes you a shoe-in). I don't think he'll beat John at crowd working unless the whole "famine slaying" thing means the public sees him as a Recognized Nice Man a la Mr Rogers. But Protection? Fuggedabout it!!!! This dude's an older, less fit and less trained Lady Leizi.

Dr Ibis, Sr/Jack Handsome, International Man of Mystery: he was legitimately close to many members of the team, if a little...Doofenshmirtz about it. I'd normally call him a darkhorse candidate but he's sort of suffering from the whole. You know. Being dead thing. And Jack Handsome is basically an in-universe meme, so that's out. Emeril doesn't have the chill to manage a funeral. A party? That's definitely the right energy. He has no monsters, and thus no use as a guard.

Dr Ibis, Sarah: only knows JU as her father's enemies who banned him from beetle fighting. She's better at Rep than her father, but again: funerals aren't her strength. She is also monsterless, and thus shan't do much on guard duty

Medicant: She doesn't know the team that well and sadly, will not be aggressively horny during a eulogy. I say sadly because if there was ever a team that could manage to pull it off, it would probably be JU. She's also not the best public speaker. Or personal speaker. Really anything that gives her a chance to put her foot in her month's a bit of a no-go. Her ability to work the crowd rests firmly on her clout as a healer and the assumption that many of these people were with her in the apiary. That might get us 1 or 2 recruits, come to think of it! She is probably useless in a fight.

Wolong: historically pro-JU before JU was even a thing. His presence and moving eulogy will give legitimacy in the public eye even if his is a starting to become underfire. As an analytical precog, wolong could forsee problems before they start, which makes him great support in crowd management AND protecting. But I don't think he'll be a good recruiter so guard duty wins

Gentlemen James: hes a well-liked fellow hero who cam be trusted to make a speech. He has the charisma to be great at crowd control or recruitment. So-so as a guard.

Palisade: I do not know this woman

Miss Naught: my gut tells me she make an average speech, mid crowd control. I forgot her power and don't care because I've been writing for hours.

Dreamcatcher: I feel like if he had to make a speech about JU he'd dream about them, and dream clones feels in bad taste. I don't know if he'd be good or terrible at CC/Recruitment but i refuse to believe it's in the middle. His skill as a guard is a diceroll

Dont forget Only Mona and Lady Leizi have actually done public relations. Handyman an Menagerie Witch are Unkowns by the public eye. Although will probably change once this is all over. The rest idk.
 
I've edited Rhys and Madeline's sections accordingly. sorry for the cheek, ive been up for HOURS
No worries I feel ya. I went on a omake writing spree for another quest im in and my brain feels like jello.
I Learnwd my lesson dont write multiple omakes in a single day, especially if it ends with you going past resonable hours.
 
I honestly am kinda in shock at how bad Mona fumbled that. Like, I'm pretty sure if someone said what she said to Elle to her, she'd understand it as, like, actual literal Fighting Words or whatever? I actually read through it again and still couldn't see the actual compliment that Mona was trying to deliver? "You're useless and far less heroic than LL but you tried I guess?" is the closest I could get.
 
I honestly am kinda in shock at how bad Mona fumbled that. Like, I'm pretty sure if someone said what she said to Elle to her, she'd understand it as, like, actual literal Fighting Words or whatever? I actually read through it again and still couldn't see the actual compliment that Mona was trying to deliver? "You're useless and far less heroic than LL but you tried I guess?" is the closest I could get.
It was a badly mangled "you kept them from falling apart until LL got them a consistent supply of goldnine. It's so sad, but they really love you. You don't have to worry because they're okay and LL is taking care of it."
 
I don't agree with a lot of this analysis, especially since it seems to forget that it's not just JU we're doing a memorial for, it's every hero that died in the Movement ?
Opale: She's a good speaker and our second in command, its a very sensible pick even if she doesn't know the dead very well.
Her cousin and girlfriend literally died in the Movement ????
He wouldn't be a good fit for crowd working for the same my mom wouldn't. It's just not in his character.
He has a decent Rep and is good at wrangling people thanks to being Dad.
Ellie: Doesn't know these people, is not a outspoken people person, and is wearing stupidly advanced power armor. You tell me
Again, her mom was a well-known and beloved hero. She also has pretty good Rep and while as not bubbly as Mona, could wrangle the golem girls well.

now HERE'S a curveball! Letting her civilian identity speak basically destroys Crusade's scheduled "debate" before it even starts(assuming it wasn't already: who the hell schedules a debate during a funeral?)
I doubt it'll stop them. They'll just say she's another proof of New Dawn's failure and that JU is taking advantage of that.
 
I'll provide translations for Mona, for anyone who didn't get what she was trying to say
"It's just so tragic!" Mona wails, "They didn't have blankets! They didn't have anything! They had to rely on (just) you (by yourself) until the real (not triad villain) heroes showed up and saved them!" (Got them goldnine and no longer being hunted)
"What?" Mona says, "I just mean Lady Leizi saved them? (Did the above) She pretty much fixed almost all their problems all at once. (So they're doing fine!) They didn't even really need you!" (You can rest easy, knowing they're safe even without your presence)
Source: a lifetime of putting my foot in my mouth.
 
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Christ, new kids've been powered for 0.1 issues and they're already snippy to senior heroes. Do we need a hierarchy in here?

My preference for the speeches is Leizi, Wolong and Opale, to represent our benevolent unification of three hero groups (JU, New Dawn, and 4Seasons).

Then for the crowd team: Miss Naught, Rhys, Gentleman James and Ibis Jr. The first three were chosen for a combination of Espionage skill, Reputation skill, and stability of temper. The last was chosen because I want to read more about her.
 
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I'll provide translations for Mona, for anyone who didn't get what she was trying to say


Source: a lifetime of putting my foot in my mouth.

I mean sure, but it's not even, "They don't need you anymore."

In the context of talking about being saved, "didn't" and its past tense is, like, very clearly (except not) about the whole of their situation and not that exact moment?

See the previous sentence!
 
I mean sure, but it's not even, "They don't need you anymore."

In the context of talking about being saved, "didn't" and its past tense is, like, very clearly (except not) about the whole of their situation and not that exact moment?

See the previous sentence!
It's the curse of the omega-flub.

(and writing stuff that can be read as unintentionally insulting is oddly difficult!)
 
I mean sure, but it's not even, "They don't need you anymore."

In the context of talking about being saved, "didn't" and its past tense is, like, very clearly (except not) about the whole of their situation and not that exact moment?

See the previous sentence!
Two options, both of which I've done IRL:
1) the "didn't" was in reference to the visit they just did. In my experience, this is caused by your train of thought getting too far from where the conversation actually is. The number of times I've caused confusion/insult because I've already changed what exactly I'm talking about is too numerous to count.
2) she just flat-out said the wrong word. I've also done this.
 
Honestly I kinda agree that between the two, I think Mona works more for recruitment rather than big speech. I even said it in my previous post, and the only reason I don't push for it more is cause I know her REP score counts a lot so I don't really mind her going either way.

Also @KA$H you should edit your post in Medicant's section. Remember they're a 'they'.
 
Been a while since I posted, but I don't mind as to who is the third person to give the speech. I'm just glad we won't have to worry about anybody busting into the party to cause trouble.

Crusade won't risk creating a PR fiasco that could blow up in their faces and Monarch knows trying to attack the funeral itself would be stupid. Of course, she could try in the meantime do something to strengthen her power base, but it might cause another fight with Crusade.
 
[X] Plan Balanced Approach
-[X] Speech Givers
—[X] Lady Leizi
—[X] Wolong
—[X] Chatalet
-[X] Crowd Workers
—[X] Gentleman James
—[X] Mona
—[X] Doctor Silver
—[X] Chaucer


Criticisms and suggestions for improvement welcome.

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[X] Plan: Representatives
 
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