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- washington
oh yeah forgot about that part yeah emotionally big win for harry here. lol.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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Bad guys dont give gifts.
Every thing that Harry ever canonically got out of Outsiders or their minions had to be forced out of them.
They are spirits, but arent Fae, they are not compelled to be fair. So once they start offering gifts, you know there's a barb.
Besides?
An intimate look at how a major Outside agent, one who has apparently stalked the White Council since it was founded, operates on Earth is literally priceless information to a wizard of the White Council.
And thats not counting that Dresden managed to bait the dude into admitting being Starborn, figured out McCoy is his grandfather, and that he has a daughter in Guatemala.
He could walk out now without anything else and still have come out ahead.
And thats not counting the distinct chance that his Enlightenment/Arete, and potentially his Mind and Spirit Spheres might well rank up from this.
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- washington
it was pretty funny to me that susan put her daughter in fucking red court territory. Its like one of the stupidest possible places to put her I mean I kind of agree taking her from dresden. The dudes a trouble magnet but putting her in fucking red court territory god damn was that a bad move.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Though it was stated earlier that "winning" the Labyrinth would incur some sort of reward due to the level of magic involved. It wouldn't come from the HM (unless it's a Trojan horse/gateway drug) but the Labyrinth is supposed to at some point.
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[X] Harry is silent, asking nothing
Exact phrasing:
Its not from the Labyrinth; I doubt the Labyrinth even has the capacity.
Maybe from the entities backing the power that established it, maybe from Reality itself adjusting to accomodate the wizard who did so, maybe just the wizard acquiring Insights that matter.
But not from the Labyrinth.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Somehow you missed the QM post.
There will be a reward.
Its the only place where she had resources to hide her and still be able to keep an eye on her.
To fake the paperwork for a newborn child? Requires a third world country where there's sufficient gaps in recordkeeping that you can slip such things through.Certainly not in the modern US.
And how many people will take in a child, sight unseen and raise them because you asked?
Remember that in canon, if Martin her partner hadnt been a Red Court triple agent who knew the father's ID, noone would have noticed or cared. And as long as Martin was her partner, it didnt matter where she stashed the child, the Red Court would still have been able to reach the child anyway.
So you cant blame her for this one.
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There is a reward sure, something to be gained from making it through the Labyrinth successfully. Thats why Harry is doing it.
The reward isnt from the Labyrinth, thats my argument. The Labyrinth doesnt give it, and I doubt it even has the capacity to give anything on that scale.
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on what scale? Not sure we ever got any confirmation on what it'd give.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I think it's more rational to assume that a boon would be coming from the Labyrinth through whatever power it was given since the Labyrinth is what's being passed to get it similar to the Proving Grounds from earlier with Harvard. Harry wasn't given a Quest by some other power to tackle it either.
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That's Molly's impression.
Harry is already one of the strongest wizards alive, even if his skill level has a long way to go.
If Molly thinks that making one of the strongest wizards in the Council even stronger is too small a possibility, then you have some idea whats in play.
Possibly a side grade, I suspect; dude might finally figure out how to kill Outsiders with magic.
And I suspect that he's going to get a bump in Spheres.
Its magic; it doesnt have to obey rationality.
And in a world where the White God's agents are overtly active and do balance scales, there's no reason why it would come from the Labyrinth. Just like soulfire came to Harry as a gift/balancing of scales without his knowing why.
Besides?
If you were a working wizard, would you accept an upgrade from or through the Labyrinth? Thats like accepting a gift from a Fallen. Everyone of your peers who heard about it would consider you sus, and the Bad Guy could use that to smear you.
It would end up a monkeys paw, and I dont think the intent is to monkeys paw this.
The opposite of damnation is very likely True Faith. Or Enlightenment (possibly in Exalted sense). I'll also buy Soulfire, but that's less thematic.
Wait, had he even been to Demonreach in this quest, let alone named it? I remember we found out about Merlin having carved out the jade for its heartstone, but not us or Harry actually going there.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
If we were to ignore the fact that passing the Labyrinth is what would result in the reward then sure.
As said the magic involved is what requires there to be a reward and escape being possible in the first place, otherwise it wouldn't be a Labyrinth it'd be a prison. It doesn't make much sense that another party acting is the only reason why there'd be a possible escape and reward for going through it.
Lol. It clearly follows a form of logic as per DP's post, don't be obtuse about it.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
He had to get Soulfire from Uriel specifically giving it to him. I think he might get Enlightenment and access to Ancient Sorcery after this though, or his Starborn nature and the possibility that they're all dormant Sidereal Exaltations might activate and he'll become an Exalt himself.
Yes he has.
When we were figuring out the NeverNever side of Last Station and returning Embermane's Grace to him.
You can earn something and yet the reward doesnt come from the challenge, or the people who set it up.
Yes? I think you are getting stuck on some semantics.
That a reward will be given doesnt require that any reward come from the Labyrinth, just that there will be a reward commensurate with the risk of successfully running the Labyrinth.
Maybe Starborn evolves to Awakened Starborn.
Maybe he develops the ability to wield soulfire, or Uriel literally comes down and gives it to him. Maybe he walks out with enough Insight that his magic actually becomes capable of reliably killing lesser Outsiders.
Or he becomes better capable of seeing/sensing Outsiders.
There will be a reward, is what Im saying.
But I dont think it comes from the Labyrinth.
Silvereagle21
Soaring through the Sky
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- United States
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[X] Harry is silent, asking nothing
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I don't think this is how DP is running it based on earlier posting like below but we'll see in either case.
While I would love Harry to get a SIdereal shard, and am betting that at least in his case Starborn does mean he's destined to get one, I doubt it'd be from this challenge.
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[X] Harry is silent, asking nothing
Starborn don't need to be Exalted, what makes them special is just being alive to see the expulsion of the Outsiders.
Wasn't it said that in this last cycle, where Harry was born, there were over 40,000 Starborn? How would you justify them being candidates for Sidereal with such a huge time difference?
Starborn don't need to be Exalted, what makes them special is just being alive to see the expulsion of the Outsiders.
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I am not saying that all Starborn are sidereal exaltation candidates. But some of them are almost certainly are, and I am willing to bet that Harry is one of them.
