@undead frog would Sessetium culture be a valid obsession?
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Family seems like a bad obsession to go with when their other choice of family are ruthless sadists that get their jollies off torturing people
Just saying. The people we want them to protect won't be related to them, and the people they'll be defending against might call them brother or cousin.
Just saying. The people we want them to protect won't be related to them, and the people they'll be defending against might call them brother or cousin.
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Family isn't about blood. It's about the heart.
Ok, I know it's hypocritical coming from me, especially because I just complained about people deciding Chemicals are good idea for obsession, but people should chill out and stop with fear mongering.
There's countless ways things can go wrong, this is Chaos worshippers we are talking about and of Slaanesh at that and there always element of randomness due to actions and outcomes being decided by roll of dice. If we want it or not, we need to make a decision and take the punch.
We can either overthink or just make the decision and be done with it. It just as likely they will see Sessetium as their only real family and tell Night Lords to piss off or just kill them all and every Chaos Marine who will dare to call them "Brothers" or "Cousins" after telling them they (Chaos Marine) will kill all the "filthy, unworthy of service to the Dark Powers, Xenos" will be skinned alive and bathed in salt.
There's just myriad ways to interpet things like "Family" or "Knighthood" and the fact that the whole request is about Demon worshipping Super Soldiers protecting civilization of Aliens who got enslaved by said Demons, doesn't make things easier. We can assume the worst will happen or assume the best will happen, we just have to take the punch and see. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Why did people go with Night Lord's by the way? It seemed to come up during the voting period but I only really read the discussion period + a page or two.
What was the reasoning behind going with terror specialists with Concentrated Corruption for corruption resistant species protection?
Were we doing a bit on Slaanesh's behalf, all careful what you wish for? Like I'm glad they didn't get even more obsessed with causing pain with the CC, but hedonist genetically inclined towards sadism isn't really a good time either.
Reading the discussion now it sounds like people were hoping this would work differently, and I'm kinda unsure why?
Ohana means family, family means nobody left behind.
Still there's a difference between dear friends who heal you and rely on you for protection, and someone who can call you brother and mean it. Even if that brother is a horrible person who will treat you and your friends badly. It's not like toxic families don't exist.
How is pointing out that family likely counts all the space marines we'd be defending against fear mongering. Like I get that we don't want them to count as a family, that doesn't mean a chapter obsessed with family won't grab them with both hands and not let go. It's Slannesh excessiveness is the whole thing.
Also, here's some actual fear mongering. With our chapters closest brothers being Nightlords, and our proto chapter being hedonists obsessed with family. Why would we deny our family the joy they get from torture just to protect our charges? Maybe the chapter wouldn't allow permanent harm, maybe, but you can hurt people alot before it becomes permanent. If it was a different chapter I might not worry so much, but Night Lords seem exactly the type to take advantage of sentiment (or really anything) to indulge in pointless sadistic ends.
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If it wasn't for their task to be protecting I'd probably be all for the cowboy one.
But anyways, what about the samurai obsession and taking that?
But anyways, what about the samurai obsession and taking that?
Well, first, we didn't even know the history of the species or their resistance, only later when we already brought concentrated corruption. And that they resistant to effect of Chaos, should hardly matter to the Warband. Either way, per the request, the Warband would have been dedicated to Slaanesh, the idea was not to waste the charge and go all in.
And the why, is because Night Lords aren't "genetically inclined to sadism", Space Marines aren't perfect copies of the Primarchs and Primarchs aren't defined by what Emperor wanted. Just see Lorgar, he is perfect example. His Legion was supposed to spread Imperial Truth and destroy religion across Galaxy.
Or Angron, who was literally able to feel pain and emotions of others and only killed in self-defense and otherwise tried to harm no one before the nails, was the Primarchs of a Legion who was always composed of melee monsters that didn't bat a eye at killing hundreds, the nails just made the World Eaters worse and mentally broken, but they were always war mongers.
Geneseed have inclinations but nothing more. Just like a person, just because you have natural talent for singing, doesn't mean you will become famous singer, while someone without such talent may become a rock-start after years of dedication and training.
Night Lords The Legion are sadistic monsters but their geneseed wouldn't make you into psychopath. When the plan was made we hoped we will roll more positive aspects of Slaanesh, like perfectionism, Night Lords themselves have nothing to do with it. It just as likely we would have rolled Death Guard who are addicted and hedonists.
That's what I was talking about. We can assume dozens of different things depending on interpretation.
First and foremost, I really wouldn't call any of Primarchs and Marines "family" in any real sense, definitely not genetic one. The whole "family" thing comes from specific relations that developed within Legions over time and culture within them.
And with Chaos Warbands and Chapters, the things only get more diverse, especially because many Warbands lack resources on top of mutations that prevent harvesting geneseed that would work or just outright genetically twist the Marines so theres no geneseed to harvest.
So, many Warbands need to scavenge whatever geneseed they can for new recruits, resulting in many Warbands having only "tainted" geneseed and Marines in them being "mongrels" and if they serve in pre-existing Legions like Iron Warriors, they bullied and spot on for their "impurity".
Is it possible that what you say will happen? Naturally, this is Prince of Excess we are talking about, but again, it just as likely the Warband will view Family ideas in completely different way, they might as well themselves look down on many Night Lords for being "mongrels" when their Papa 6-1 provides them with untainted and pure Curze geneseed and demand that they prove themselves like Sessetium did by providing medical aid, before they dare call themselves Family again. Slaanesh is Excess, but also Passion and Perfection, there's many ways to be worshipper of Slaanesh, including "noble" ways.
They might be Excessive, but they might be Perfectionistic and Passionate as well, and only view Family in existing and actively build upon bounds, not in "blood" or any physical sense, and be actively hostile towards other Chaos Marines for daring to view Family in such shallow way.
Again, there's just many ways it might go, many ways to interpet different obsessions and there's just too much randomness due to dice. We need to make the decisiona and see what happens. All I can say, this might as well happened with any other geneseed, it and really has nothing to do with Night Lords geneseed itself being inherently wrong or malicious.
We might have used fucking Salamanders and they still will be worshippers of Slaanesh who like to make clothing from skins of children, because again, geneseed isn't some brain washing and gene-rewriting magic drug, it's definitely magical more or less and influences the carrier but it doesn't fundamentally rewrite the person it is implanted into nor the person in question is magically immune to influence of fucking Demon Gods or can't make his own decisions.
Otherwise there would never be Loyalists within Traitor Legions and vice versa. Geneseed influences the carrier but even Magnus couldn't literally mind control every last Marine in his Legions and there existed Thousand Sons who remained on the side of Loyalists.
If nothing else, Night Lords being who they are, actually makes it less likely they will bother Sessetium species. Night Lords are Chaos mercenaries, they coping that they totally aren't corrupted and just harness powers of Chaos and Daemons for their own goals, while Chaos Marines who bother Sessetium are explicitly the ones who care about their decisions and allegiance to Chaos.
Many Chaos Astartes and Primarchs, like Lorgar, decided to embrace Chaos corruption willingly, because they believe that Humanity can't survive in any other way but as servants of Chaos Gods. That's why they attacking Sessetium and want them dead. They still believe in Imperium ideas, and that includes Human supremacy and "Suffer not the Alien to live", they just want Humanity under Chaos for "pragmatic" reasons.
Night Lords aren't those, they just assholes and go around the Galaxy murdering and torturing at random, or serving the goals of the particular Warlords that rules their particular group this Thursday before he is killed and replaced by another. Also, they cope that they aren't slaves of Chaos as I mentioned, but that's it.
Night Lords are the least likely Legion to attack Sessetium and then I doubt the particular group of them that will do it, will even realise they can trick the Warband by using "blood ties", hell, they might not even realise they of Konrad geneseed if we are very lucky, and just attack immediately, get their teeth kicked in, and never go back, because they don't want to exterminate Sessetium, they just want to torture and kill at random, and Night Lords have plenty of places do to it across the Galaxy.
Again, we can make arguments without end, I get you're point, but ultimately, we just have to make the decision and see what will be the result. We can only hope the rolls will be high.
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OK I hear where your coming from, but I'm coming from the opposite direction.
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Lorgar was a fanatic about spreading his beliefs so his "sons" were fanatics for the imperial truth. (edit: until they met him)
Angron might have been built to be empathic with close bonds with others, but his body situation was being driven half mad by rage and pain forced to kill up close and personal. His "sons" reflected this as murderous but tight knit close quarters specialists, at least until they got the nails, at which point they mostly lost the tight knit part.
Any other setting I would agree that a pseudo genetic connection making people more inclined towards sadism is bullshit. Or that sharing some implanted organs in common is not the same as being related. But the setting itself doesn't seem to really agree with me on this.
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and if this wasn't a fantasy setting pretending at Sci fi I would totally agree with you. But its clear in the narrative that the base inclination/body situation of the primarch has an effect on his "sons" Even when there is no reason for it to be so.
Lorgar was a fanatic about spreading his beliefs so his "sons" were fanatics for the imperial truth. (edit: until they met him)
Angron might have been built to be empathic with close bonds with others, but his body situation was being driven half mad by rage and pain forced to kill up close and personal. His "sons" reflected this as murderous but tight knit close quarters specialists, at least until they got the nails, at which point they mostly lost the tight knit part.
Any other setting I would agree that a pseudo genetic connection making people more inclined towards sadism is bullshit. Or that sharing some implanted organs in common is not the same as being related. But the setting itself doesn't seem to really agree with me on this.
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Yeah I think saying the Night Lords don't have to be sadistic nutjobs is like saying the World Eaters don't have to be good fighters, or Iron Warrior don't need to be good builders.
It's kinda their whole thing, otherwise chapters would just be a blank slate.
Grass eats people?
[ ] Plan: The Doctor will see you now
-[ ] Medicine
-[ ] Haugua: A Daemon World with an atmosphere composed entirely of narcotics. The fact that individuals who breath this concoction don't flatout die from lack of oxygen is one of the world's many mysteries.
Give them a medicine obsession and easy access to drugs which can be used as is or as precursors to other medicins. This should also have synergy with the Expert Medics trait.
[] Plan: Snakes are basically trains
-[ ] Trains
-[ ] Prismatis: A Daemon world of Slaanesh, Prismatis is a desert world, covered entirely in multi colored sand. Oddly normally for a Daemon world in that regard, especially since the dominant predator is "merely" a giant, Titan-sized species of snake.
[] Plan: shark week!
-[ ] Sharks
-[ ] Watata: An oceanic Daemon/Death world that is rather typical for it's kind. Naturally, most of the (extremely hostile) wildlife within Watata's vast depths is also at least partially Slaanesh corrupted in nature.
To be honest, given the mention of Night Lords fitting Slaanesh a bit too well, I feel like the biggest name in Chapters / Legions associated with an unfitting Chaos God is the Blood Angels having had Khorne call dibs on them in canon when Slaanesh fits their fighting style - a mixture of agile melee specialists and Librarians - and themes - the other Legion besides the EC to have the 'the best of us' gimmick, with a major cultural focus on the arts - a lot more.
Though I suppose there's also that one Chapter who got appropriated by Tzeentch and have a Black Rage replacement where they instead repeat the time one of their leaders was offered a deal by one of the bird-mollusk's Daemons... who may or may not be canon, I forget where I first heard of them.
I also recall an HH short story where Ferrus Manus' anger and hatred felt at the moment of his killing by Fulgrim catalyzed the formation of a Daemon with a claim on the souls of his Legion, where for some reason feelings of hatred, rage, and betrayal directed at a Slaaneshi Daemon - whichever version of Fulgrim's story you go with, whether it was the Daemon from the Laer blade in control or the original Fulgrim had reclaimed his body and kept doing what the Daemon who took it did, he was basically a Daemon by that point - he was felt by a guy whose gimmick was creating war machines and weapons and who lacked any major Psyker elements in his Legion created a Daemon of....
... Slaanesh. With a gemstone theme. Went by 'the Sapphire Prince.' Because there definitely isn't a Chaos God associated with rage, hatred, metals, and the creation of weapons who's directly opposed to Slaanesh or anything.
Though I suppose there's also that one Chapter who got appropriated by Tzeentch and have a Black Rage replacement where they instead repeat the time one of their leaders was offered a deal by one of the bird-mollusk's Daemons... who may or may not be canon, I forget where I first heard of them.
I also recall an HH short story where Ferrus Manus' anger and hatred felt at the moment of his killing by Fulgrim catalyzed the formation of a Daemon with a claim on the souls of his Legion, where for some reason feelings of hatred, rage, and betrayal directed at a Slaaneshi Daemon - whichever version of Fulgrim's story you go with, whether it was the Daemon from the Laer blade in control or the original Fulgrim had reclaimed his body and kept doing what the Daemon who took it did, he was basically a Daemon by that point - he was felt by a guy whose gimmick was creating war machines and weapons and who lacked any major Psyker elements in his Legion created a Daemon of....
... Slaanesh. With a gemstone theme. Went by 'the Sapphire Prince.' Because there definitely isn't a Chaos God associated with rage, hatred, metals, and the creation of weapons who's directly opposed to Slaanesh or anything.
A lot of the other Chaos G's like to try and poach from Khorne it seems like.
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He's very easy to plan around
I mean for the Blood Angels it's more like Khorne poached from Slaanesh and then Tzeentch grabbed a single Chapter thereof.
[X] Plan: Let's try get them into rehab.
-[X] Justice.
-[X] Watata: An oceanic Daemon/Death world that is rather typical for it's kind. Naturally, most of the (extremely hostile) wildlife within Watata's vast depths is also at least partially Slaanesh corrupted in nature.
[X] Plan: It's about Family.
-[X] Family.
-[X] Cast them to the Wind: When, and if, they find a planet to lord over it will be by conquest. No planet will shape them, but there is a good chance that one day they, more than any other Chaos Warband, shall shape a planet.
[X] Plan: Vigil in Peace.
-[X] Justice.
-[X] Paale: Paale is a serene, grassy world….. A perfectly serene and grassy world…. One could say that it's even a bit too serene and grassy, where's the catch here -
[X] Plan: Serenity in Kinship.
-[X] Family.
-[X] Paale: Paale is a serene, grassy world….. A perfectly serene and grassy world…. One could say that it's even a bit too serene and grassy, where's the catch here -
-[X] Justice.
-[X] Watata: An oceanic Daemon/Death world that is rather typical for it's kind. Naturally, most of the (extremely hostile) wildlife within Watata's vast depths is also at least partially Slaanesh corrupted in nature.
[X] Plan: It's about Family.
-[X] Family.
-[X] Cast them to the Wind: When, and if, they find a planet to lord over it will be by conquest. No planet will shape them, but there is a good chance that one day they, more than any other Chaos Warband, shall shape a planet.
[X] Plan: Vigil in Peace.
-[X] Justice.
-[X] Paale: Paale is a serene, grassy world….. A perfectly serene and grassy world…. One could say that it's even a bit too serene and grassy, where's the catch here -
[X] Plan: Serenity in Kinship.
-[X] Family.
-[X] Paale: Paale is a serene, grassy world….. A perfectly serene and grassy world…. One could say that it's even a bit too serene and grassy, where's the catch here -
[x] Plan: It's about Family
-[x] Family
-[x] Cast them to the Wind: When, and if, they find a planet to lord over it will be by conquest. No planet will shape them, but there is a good chance that one day they, more than any other Chaos Warband, shall shape a planet.
I see that people are concerned about the fact of the geneseed connection between people of the same legion but here's the thing. The connection was only between the primarchs and their Astartes and even then it isn't perfect, see Typhus and Mortarion not being on the best of terms. Also Curze is dead so I feel the benefits vastly outweigh the potential risks.
-[x] Family
-[x] Cast them to the Wind: When, and if, they find a planet to lord over it will be by conquest. No planet will shape them, but there is a good chance that one day they, more than any other Chaos Warband, shall shape a planet.
I see that people are concerned about the fact of the geneseed connection between people of the same legion but here's the thing. The connection was only between the primarchs and their Astartes and even then it isn't perfect, see Typhus and Mortarion not being on the best of terms. Also Curze is dead so I feel the benefits vastly outweigh the potential risks.
[X] Plan: The Heresy Train has no Breaks
[X] Plan: Let's try get them into rehab
[X] Plan: It's about Family
[X] Plan Join the Serpent King as Family
[X] Plan: I am batman!
[X] Plan: Let's try get them into rehab
[X] Plan: It's about Family
[X] Plan Join the Serpent King as Family
[X] Plan: I am batman!
[X] Plan: Arrakis
- [X] Chemicals
- [X] Prismatis: A Daemon world of Slaanesh, Prismatis is a desert world, covered entirely in multi colored sand. Oddly normally for a Daemon world in that regard, especially since the dominant predator is "merely" a giant, Titan-sized species of snake.
Lizardmen are gonna make a mint selling Spice Melange from the backs of their new Giant Snake Mounts. I don't want to just protect them, I want them to THRIVE! Chem-Barons of the Warp, let's go
Also just a fun way to turn what even the voices think of as a weakness into a strength. If you're gonna be hedonistic addicts, the least you can do is be addicted to chemicals that can make foresight even better.
- [X] Chemicals
- [X] Prismatis: A Daemon world of Slaanesh, Prismatis is a desert world, covered entirely in multi colored sand. Oddly normally for a Daemon world in that regard, especially since the dominant predator is "merely" a giant, Titan-sized species of snake.
Lizardmen are gonna make a mint selling Spice Melange from the backs of their new Giant Snake Mounts. I don't want to just protect them, I want them to THRIVE! Chem-Barons of the Warp, let's go
Also just a fun way to turn what even the voices think of as a weakness into a strength. If you're gonna be hedonistic addicts, the least you can do is be addicted to chemicals that can make foresight even better.
[X] Plan: The Heresy Train has no Breaks
[X] Plan: Let's try get them into rehab
[X] Plan: It's about Family
[X] Plan Join the Serpent King as Family
[X] Plan: I am batman!
[X] Plan: Let's try get them into rehab
[X] Plan: It's about Family
[X] Plan Join the Serpent King as Family
[X] Plan: I am batman!
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan: Let's try get them into rehab.
-[X] Justice.
-[X] Watata: An oceanic Daemon/Death world that is rather typical for it's kind. Naturally, most of the (extremely hostile) wildlife within Watata's vast depths is also at least partially Slaanesh corrupted in nature.
[X] Plan: It's about Family.
-[X] Family.
-[X] Cast them to the Wind: When, and if, they find a planet to lord over it will be by conquest. No planet will shape them, but there is a good chance that one day they, more than any other Chaos Warband, shall shape a planet.
[X] Plan: The Heresy Train has no Breaks
[X] Plan: The Doctor will see you now
-[x] Medicine
-[x] Haugua: A Daemon World with an atmosphere composed entirely of narcotics. The fact that individuals who breath this concoction don't flatout die from lack of oxygen is one of the world's many mysteries.
-[X] Justice.
-[X] Watata: An oceanic Daemon/Death world that is rather typical for it's kind. Naturally, most of the (extremely hostile) wildlife within Watata's vast depths is also at least partially Slaanesh corrupted in nature.
[X] Plan: It's about Family.
-[X] Family.
-[X] Cast them to the Wind: When, and if, they find a planet to lord over it will be by conquest. No planet will shape them, but there is a good chance that one day they, more than any other Chaos Warband, shall shape a planet.
[X] Plan: The Heresy Train has no Breaks
[X] Plan: The Doctor will see you now
-[x] Medicine
-[x] Haugua: A Daemon World with an atmosphere composed entirely of narcotics. The fact that individuals who breath this concoction don't flatout die from lack of oxygen is one of the world's many mysteries.
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- USA
[X] Plan: Let's try get them into rehab.
[X] Plan: Vigil in Peace.
[X] Plan: Vigil in Peace.
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- Canada
[X] Plan Join the Serpent King as Family
-[X] Family
-[X] Prismatis: A Daemon world of Slaanesh, Prismatis is a desert world, covered entirely in multi colored sand. Oddly normally for a Daemon world in that regard, especially since the dominant predator is "merely" a giant, Titan-sized species of snake.
-[X] Family
-[X] Prismatis: A Daemon world of Slaanesh, Prismatis is a desert world, covered entirely in multi colored sand. Oddly normally for a Daemon world in that regard, especially since the dominant predator is "merely" a giant, Titan-sized species of snake.
Nicolay
Piltover can go to hell
[X] Plan: Obsessive Knights of Chaos verses the Deep
-[X] Knighthood
-[X] Watata: An oceanic Daemon/Death world that is rather typical for it's kind. Naturally, most of the (extremely hostile) wildlife within Watata's vast depths is also at least partially Slaanesh corrupted in nature.
-[X] Knighthood
-[X] Watata: An oceanic Daemon/Death world that is rather typical for it's kind. Naturally, most of the (extremely hostile) wildlife within Watata's vast depths is also at least partially Slaanesh corrupted in nature.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Let's see which plan will won from this CHAOS amount of plans.