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Cool really really cool, Scholar was my favorite option for a reason...
I wonder how Alicent and the rest of our family would react to being the first Valyrian blood mage in generations, though...
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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
- Thread starter Teen Spirit
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Cool really really cool, Scholar was my favorite option for a reason...
I wonder how Alicent and the rest of our family would react to being the first Valyrian blood mage in generations, though...
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- Te Ika-a-Māui
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- She/Her
[X] Plan Don't Do Everything Alone
[X] Plan: Be Our Father's Support
[X] Plan: Be Our Father's Support
Cool really really cool, Scholar was my favorite option for a reason...
I wonder how Alicent and the rest of our family would react to being the first Valyrian blood mage in generations, though...
Honestly magic in ASOIAF world sucks. I don't know why people in quests are so obsessed with it when there's always some horrible costs involved for the good shit (or you born with specific powers like the Wargs). For Scholer Rhaenyra I'd have been way more interested in improving infrastructure, managing and improving finances, and making tech discoveries then trying to recreate the Valyrian horrific Blood Magic system.
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I would definitively bring it up... We know that if Alicent marries Viserys Otto will become basically our enemy immediately (per WoG), and that if things have gone like canon Alicent has become a very important part of Viserys' support system, so much so, that he may choose her for that alone...
So I would put it there somewhere, honestly, it is a very reasonable request, especially if we don't bring up any political reasons, but that it would be too weird for Nyra to have her best friend as her stepmother...
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Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Yeah, votes saying that we'll just support Viserys' choice no matter what might be a bit difficult to deal with if that choice we said we'll support is Alicent. I personally don't care much for the idea of romancing Alicent but even so I'm still not looking forward to guaranteeing Otto as our sworn enemy, as will be the case if Alicent marries Viserys and brings forth a son.
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Why not fictionalized tetanus? 😭
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Yeah, that is the main reason why I am not switching to the new plans for now, they are both well written and it would provide us a very poignant emotional moment, BUT not being explicitly clear that our only red line is Alicent Hightower seems like a recipe for disaster...
Because tetanus kills you in a couple of weeks
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I think we should do one of these two either cut our losses and make sure that Alicent doesn't marry our dad both so that we can romance her and to stop conflict with Otto.
If we don't I think we push for the delay and then use the fact we got a delay as leverage against the velaryons and make a compromise version of our original deal doing something like waiting only one year instead of four or something like that.
[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."
[X] "It's too soon to think of such things, father. Wait a few months more, please."
If we don't I think we push for the delay and then use the fact we got a delay as leverage against the velaryons and make a compromise version of our original deal doing something like waiting only one year instead of four or something like that.
[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."
[X] "It's too soon to think of such things, father. Wait a few months more, please."
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My plan includes specifically telling him that we fear he might marry her.
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I know, but as I said before it is too nebulous for my tase, I would like something more explicit in that specific regard...
And I would prefer to avoid Otto or the politics things regarding Alicent, going for the "she is my best friend, I don`t want you to marry her for that reason alone" seems like a better approach...
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We can't exactly order him around. That would be incredibly unreasonable and backfire. We are his 14 year old daughter, not his liege.
At the same time, we have a good relationship and I do think that being open about our activities will further improve it, so I'm certain that he won't pick Alicent. Especially since he has no reason to. Solely on political power, the Tyrell is a better pick and since we immediately talked with him after our mothers death, he has no special emotional attachment to Alicent like in canon.
The only reason Alicent would be in the running is Otto pushing for her, but with us telling him that we are horrified at the idea and providing alternatives, Otto is out of luck.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
I would also be inclined to mention something about how we ask that Viserys not talk to anyone about we requested of him to not marry Alicent or about how him thinking we might be uncomfortable with our father marrying our friend affected his decision to not marry her lest Otto think (know) that we sabotaged his efforts to marry his daughter to the king.
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Fine. But this is as far as I'm willing to go here. Hyper-optimizing every word of a write-in is horrible for quests and I'm doing way too much of that already.
-[] Lastly close that you have fears that Otto might try to present Alicent as an alternative, though you can't name where that dread comes from. The idea of having your best friend turn into your stepmom is horrific and you dared not talk about this before with anyone, lest Otto Hightower take offense at your fear.
-[] Lastly close that you have fears that Otto might try to present Alicent as an alternative, though you can't name where that dread comes from. The idea of having your best friend turn into your stepmom is horrific and you dared not talk about this before with anyone, lest Otto Hightower take offense at your fear.
Kufufu
Adequate at best
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Going from Scholar Rhaenyra's focus on Valyria, her ambition being making her own Valyria, Valyria's inherently magical nature, and the fact that the chapter called Viserys "The Fisher King", it wouldnt be a medical cure, it would be a magical one.
More signs point to it as well, like it being magical leprosy given as a punishment by the chair. We would have probably identified the cause of his curse, and fulfilled its conditions to heal him and remder it a boon. After all, if the kings health reflects the kingdoms, then a strong kingdom would grant a strong king.
Rip Scholar path, i can only dream of ye now.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
I'm not too broken up about not taking the Scholar path. In the ASOIAF universe it isn't scholars that rule, it's dragon riders. If we want to promote certain studies then once we're queen we can patronize the sciences, maybe make it so that anyone obtaining a Valyrian Steel link will be given a research grant large enough to live a comfortable life, or establish a second citadel in King's Landing* rather then a second great sept like Baelor did. A lot of people can be great scholars for the realm, but fewer can act as dragon riders for our cause.
And hey, maybe one of kids will be a Haegon who we can nurture to be a great scholar instead.
*Which would also be a potential way to allow women in Westeros opportunities for academic education of the sort that they're denied right now, due to the Citadel not accepting women to its ranks.
And hey, maybe one of kids will be a Haegon who we can nurture to be a great scholar instead.
*Which would also be a potential way to allow women in Westeros opportunities for academic education of the sort that they're denied right now, due to the Citadel not accepting women to its ranks.
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[x] Azel
Second time's the charm.
Second time's the charm.
So you want me to oppose Alicent as a marriage match, but at the same time refuse to express support to our father if he does pick her? I think that is injuring ourselves for no reason. Viserys favor is far more important than Otto's.
Screw Otto. If Alicent marries Viserys, Otto will soon be on the outs because of him pushing Aegon as heir. The main issue in that scenario is to make sure that we are close to our father, close to Alicent, and close to our siblings. That cuts the ground out from under Otto's feet.
During these next few years we tour the realm, making it clear that we are the heir. Befriend Borros and the marcher houses. Visit Tarly and Highgarden, and Honeyholt, etc. Visit the Westerlands and try to make friends there, consider Tyland as a possible consort. Visit the Riverlands extensively, consider Forrest Frey and Harwin Strong as possible consorts. Visit the Vale, and renew our ties with our cousin Jeyne, support her against her cousin, make friends in Gulltown. Visit the North and try to make friends. Invite Laena and maybe even Laenor along with us to try and make sure there is friendship at least with the next generation of Velaryons (will Corlys really object to his children making friends with the Crown Princess? Ambition argues in favor of making friends.) During this period is probably when we try to achieve the goal of becoming a knight, and maybe find love.
Once we have visited the North, we move on to make trips to Braavos as our father's representative, trying to broker support for conquering the Stepstones (as Corlys will probably be doing that), working out deals around what kind of tariffs and so forth are allowed, push the anti-slavery alliance aspect. Visit Volantis and see what the situation there is, as well as checking in with our cousins.
Then we return and focus on making a good marriage (if we haven't yet), and getting on the council. We leverage our stewardship abilities to try and make allies of Lyman Beesbury and Lyonel Strong and build up our reputation as a diligent and resourceful heir. We stay close to our siblings, teach them about dragonlore and spar with them, helping them learn to become knights. We talk with our father about what their inheritance will be, and seek to make them good marriage matches. We steer them away from controlling the big dragons like Vhagar and towards smaller dragons.
Strive to position ourselves so that when Lyonel Strong dies we are named as Hand instead of Otto returning. When Viserys dies we maintain control over King's Landing and the Treasury.
What is Otto going to do in that situation? Sure he'll still be a dangerous foe, but a lot of his advantages in canon will be gone.
Punishment that implies Viserys should not have exiled Daemon?
KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
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[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
[X] "The Lord Commander has a cousin, Johanna, she seems a much more suitable match for you."
[X] "The Lord Commander has a cousin, Johanna, she seems a much more suitable match for you."
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Thing is it will probably be easier to have good relations with our half siblings if their grandfather isn't someone who has them endlessly taught that we'll kill them once we take the throne like we know Otto will. Otto is probably going to have a time advantage on us in terms of how much of his day he can spend on influencing his grandchildren, either via himself or via proxies like Alicent, particularly if we're going to be spending our time on projects like a continent wide tour and conquering the Stepstones rather then on being with our half siblings.
Furthermore Otto just has the advantage on us in terms of influencing any half brothers we'll have, as he will always be offering a greater inheritance, the throne, then what we'll be teaching them they'll get. Selfish interest alone would be a motivation for them to listen to him over us.
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That looks really good, I will vote for your plan now
[X] Plan Don't Do Everything Alone
[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."
Well, Paddy and the writers have told us that this "leprosy" was also a direct manifestation of Viserys guilt over Aemma's death, so I would guess that if it was a curse it was a self-inflicted one (probably one in which the Iron Thron acted as a catalyst ) and those kinds of curses tend to be a bitch and half to deal with, because the one afflicted by the curse wants to remain cursed. After all, he thinks he deserves the punishment...
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.... After all, how sure are you all that Alicent will return Rhaenyra's feelings at all? No, because if you want to risk this route there is the possibility of rejection, you know that right? I didn't see any indication of this in HOTD other than them being good friends before everything went sour, and Viserys will want to know why Rhaenyra doesn't want him to marry Alicent, just the argument of "because she's my friend" will only make him raise his eyebrow in doubt.
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Well seeing these bits, Alicent is definitively physically attracted to Rhaenyra... If that can become a romantic relationship, well it probably depend on us...
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I think that if we were barking up the wrong tree wrt Alicent being a potential waifu, Teen Spirit would have said something by now.