Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Point of correction:
So no, Rashid didnt cause his limp.
However, Butcher mentions once that in a previous encounter, Rashid "focused the tank."
Implying that there was a clash where Rashid pulled Demonreach's aggro and held it so that the other members of the party could do whatever they came to do, and survived the experience.2012 Reddit AMA said:
That isn't because of magic. That is people destroying maps with an island known to drive people insane on them to minimize the risks that someone goes there and ends up insane. It is risk management.
Knowing about the island's purpose and knowing how it works are two different things. Yes they knew enough to warn Harry against tapping the ley-line, but that is because they know ley-lines are dangerous.
Also people, especially wizards do not write their deepest darkest secrets down into journals.
This is why I specified aerial photos and satellite imagery. Maps are likely affected, as they are man made, a perception filter / compulsion combo would make the cartographers ignore the island. But the images should still be there, and satellite imagery is new enough that, unless Merlin visited modern times, would be an unforseen danger to the island's stealth. It's worth a try at least.
Vote closed, lets see what Forthil has to say about this.
So when we go set this up are we going to just send Harry to make friends or shout at Demonreach from the lake? An infernal exalt is the last person to be showing up on that island, at least until they're elder essence and packing a suite of McGuffins to counter its powers.
Arc 13 Post 33: Answers Given, Answers Sought
Answers Given, Answers Sought
8th of February 2007 A.D.
Recovered All Essence -> Now at 18/18
You decide to meet with Father Forthil in his office again the heavy desk and carefully sorted shelves giving the whole thing the air near familiarity that's ruined as soon as you lay eyes on the priest. He looks like he's aged ten years inside the five weeks since last you saw him, stooped and blue the eyes behind those spectacles are shadowed with exhaustion. Maybe he doesn't need this right now...
"Molly, come in, come in, I meant what I said about my door being open to you," he says looking up from his work.
"I don't want to interrupt," you start, still hesitating in the doorway.
"You are not," the priest answers firmly. "God gives everyone their work at the time it is needed. It's just human nature that we'd all rather start on it three days before."
Maybe your nature Father, you might be a bit too generous with most of mankind, Lash might be rubbing off on you, but you greet him and make some small talk, ask how things have been going and what he's been involved with since the new year. 'Not well' about summarizes it, there's been a blood shortage among a lot of the charities linked to the Catholic Church throughout the Midwest made worse by a series of just-this-side-of-defamatory articles implying that the blood had been tainted. The AIDS Epidemic may be something you know mostly from stories of your parents and half understood news pieces when you were a kid, but people have a long memory especially when fear and supposed scandal are mixed in.
Lost 2 Essence -> Now at 16/18 (Subterfuge and Empathy Excellencies)
Lost 1 Willpower -> Now at 8/9 (ATB)
"There's no way to tell if it's just poor reporting compounding itself or something worse," he concludes sadly.
In response you look over the papers in front of him. Who is behind the campaign against Church sponsored blood drives?
Reliable as ever the answer comes: The Lords of Outer Night move their hand and their pawns dance
Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 15/18 (Question)
Restored 2 Essence -> Now at 17/18 (Urge of the Forbidden)
"It's probably the Red Court," you spin half a lie to dress up the truth almost as fast. "Some of Duchess Arianna's underlings, the ones I caught heard about the order coming down from on high to do something about the pressure the Church was putting on them and another one mentioned a media campaign, I figured it would be in South America, but if they are going to act this indirectly starting it up somewhere else makes sense. Afterwards they can 'discover' connections to the places they really want swept."
"A few of my colegues were leaning that way but..." he sighs, closing his eyes as though to banish a migraine. "This is going to be messy. I'm sorry I didn't even ask what you wanted to talk to me about."
That's not all that troubles him, but he is obviously not inclined, maybe even not allowed to share the rest.
Still having thus made yourself useful you explain what you had found in the Spirit World, a spirit of fire, long lingering in a domain just under the skin of west Chicago, called at the behest of one of the Denarians who had come to a fiery end, though he'd shared his doom with far too many innocents. A prison to the east on the lake that contains a portion of his innermost self that you would recover if you could, but you are going to need more information than you have on the fire, the incursion by the Fallen on Halloween 1871 and if possible a Father Murphy who had spared the city worse devastation even in death.
Father Forthill waits until you'd laid out the whole thing before asking the obvious question. "How confident are you that this entity won't cause more harm if you recover the piece he has lost?"
[] As confident as you have to be, this is the right thing to do. Embermane did not deserve to be mutilated in the plots of the Fallen
[] More confident than not, and if it turns out you are wrong you can deal with him by force
[] Write in
OOC: Seen in this chapter, the Crown continues to be terrifying and a reminder that the War is still raging.
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Rolls
Molly Perception Empathy vs Forthil INT Subterfuge (He can keep secrets with INT due to a merit from his legal training... try to keep secrets at least)
Molly to hide her source vs Forthil to sense something's odd
Making your case (He is not contesting that, but he does have questions )
Molly Perception Empathy vs Forthil INT Subterfuge (He can keep secrets with INT due to a merit from his legal training... try to keep secrets at least)
Molly to hide her source vs Forthil to sense something's odd
Making your case (He is not contesting that, but he does have questions )
Also, while we're still collecting information IC OOC we know more of the rules. I'm concerned that coming to the place with the intent of releasing someone might taint Harry's application to be Warden since it seems like the spirit of the island was actually inspecting him during that ritual. He didn't win that job by beating it, he got it by being strong enough to be useful and presumably not raising any red flags by virtue of not knowing anything that would trip them.
Not that we know for certain it would check stuff like that, but Intellectus is no joke* and I can't help but think that if I was designing a super prison that relied on a mortal Warden to respond to changing situations I'd make sure the hiring office did some background checks before handing over the keys. Especially if the Warden's position is difficult to revoke and they can freely abuse that authority once they have it, which is what the situation with Kemmler implies.
You can't stop someone from changing their mind, but if the spirit of the prison will let the Warden let evil gods out of supermax I'd at least make sure to have it reject anyone who planned to do that from the start.
* Also Dresden summoned the thing and performed the magical equivalent of two dogs sniffing each other's butts. I'd be very skeptical of the claim that Demonreach didn't get a good look at his potential new hire.
That or learning a youth potion at some point; it's the ultimate bribe/apology gift. "Sorry for nearly giving you a heart attack with that whole Vegas thing. In lieu of apology cookies I've included a decade of bottles youth with this letter to replace the one I scared off you".
How does everyone feel about more arms smuggling and mercenary drones? Sutra are pretty safe because spirit killers are incredibly rare in the DF and the best tech spirit guy around has an infected gut wound to deal with.
Use our digitizing charm to bring over shipments of export grade weaponry and hundreds of volunteer stealth drones with ground strike capabilities to pair with warden task forces. Maybe some ground drones based on the partial design I posted earlier:
Units of 5 spider-terminators with near perfect coordination, inhuman stats, and a some very unpleasant weapon tricks could make a real mess of vampire chaff and give more notable ones a run for their money even without other support.
Primarily by using the feature synergy around their limbs to always have an appropriate weapon for the current situation and to take an additional attack when needed each turn. So if you fight a squad you could feasibly eat 10 attacks in the same round.
Not that we know for certain it would check stuff like that, but Intellectus is no joke* and I can't help but think that if I was designing a super prison that relied on a mortal Warden to respond to changing situations I'd make sure the hiring office did some background checks before handing over the keys. Especially if the Warden's position is difficult to revoke and they can freely abuse that authority once they have it, which is what the situation with Kemmler implies.
You can't stop someone from changing their mind, but if the spirit of the prison will let the Warden let evil gods out of supermax I'd at least make sure to have it reject anyone who planned to do that from the start.
* Also Dresden summoned the thing and performed the magical equivalent of two dogs sniffing each other's butts. I'd be very skeptical of the claim that Demonreach didn't get a good look at his potential new hire.
Does the Catholic Church accept magic potions as a form of tithe payment? Cause if we're going to stress Forthill this much I think we owe him some Malcoffee. Vegas alone probably took some years off his life.
That or learning a youth potion at some point; it's the ultimate bribe/apology gift. "Sorry for nearly giving you a heart attack with that whole Vegas thing. In lieu of apology cookies I've included a decade of bottles youth with this letter to replace the one I scared off you".
We need to do something about this, even if we end up being unable to free up the AP for more personal intervention.
How does everyone feel about more arms smuggling and mercenary drones? Sutra are pretty safe because spirit killers are incredibly rare in the DF and the best tech spirit guy around has an infected gut wound to deal with.
Use our digitizing charm to bring over shipments of export grade weaponry and hundreds of volunteer stealth drones with ground strike capabilities to pair with warden task forces. Maybe some ground drones based on the partial design I posted earlier:
Units of 5 spider-terminators with near perfect coordination, inhuman stats, and a some very unpleasant weapon tricks could make a real mess of vampire chaff and give more notable ones a run for their money even without other support.
Primarily by using the feature synergy around their limbs to always have an appropriate weapon for the current situation and to take an additional attack when needed each turn. So if you fight a squad you could feasibly eat 10 attacks in the same round.
True, but arguable. The Cup Grace presents a danger due to the Raksha itself not being imprisoned, and, on the other hand, the reason for imprisonment was a setup by a third party. Demonreach doesn't imprison all monsters who visit, so it might count this as "wrongful imprisonment" and Harry correcting the issue might actually help him get the job.
[X] As confident as you have to be, this is the right thing to do. Embermane did not deserve to be mutilated in the plots of the Fallen
-[X] If it turns malicious and deaf to reason, you are relatively confident in being able to drive it off Earth or put it down.
Well, let's consider what we have for the next month:
Convention with Rosie - should be doable via a clone
Sponsoring and participating in a Labyrinth dive - has to be done via Molly-prime
Securing the Exaltation - no, I won't budge on this. I am not talking about releasing it, I am talking about securing it.
Dealing with White Council traitors - already overdue.
Forging splendors for the debts we owe - it's exalted craft, so Molly prime
Probably a continuation of NeverNever exploration of Porter's neighbors or possibly a start of the manse project or possibly a start of prep for Lash's plan
This leaves one more AP free, so, unless I am forgetting something, we might be able to fit it in.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
If you want my personal opinion, I wouldn't give them anything too substantial until the traitor issue is fully dealt with. The White Council has Red Court aligned people in it along with Outsider interference of unknown proportions. They should be much more effective at combating the Reds if those issues are sorted without major casualties.
Hopefully we can look into the Labyrinth and the rebel faction during a Five Courts Arc sometime this year. It's been hinted that important stuff is lying in there but next month probably isn't the time.
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It might, though one thing to note is that the easiest way to get something into a magical prison is to choose a entity that belongs in magical prison. It's not like the prison works on the basis of some kind of modern legal code where a set up would be inherently enough to release a prisoner.
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- Estonia
[X] As confident as you have to be, this is the right thing to do. Embermane did not deserve to be mutilated in the plots of the Fallen
-[X] If it turns malicious and deaf to reason, you are relatively confident in being able to drive it off Earth or put it down.
If something can be argued into self-sacrifice while being mutilated, it can likely be reasoned with even better, when it's whole.
-[X] If it turns malicious and deaf to reason, you are relatively confident in being able to drive it off Earth or put it down.
If something can be argued into self-sacrifice while being mutilated, it can likely be reasoned with even better, when it's whole.
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The question is "are raksha meant to be imprisoned on sight, no other considerations given?". We know that some beings, like naagloshii, can be imprisoned, but aren't automatically so. Mab and other fae are distant relatives of raksha, and aren't on "automatically imprison" list. Basically, we need more information.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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- Russia Moscow
[X] As confident as you have to be, this is the right thing to do. Embermane did not deserve to be mutilated in the plots of the Fallen
-[X] If it turns malicious and deaf to reason, you are relatively confident in being able to drive it off Earth or put it down.
-[X] If it turns malicious and deaf to reason, you are relatively confident in being able to drive it off Earth or put it down.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
[x] More confident than not, and if it turns out you are wrong you can deal with him by force
-[x] It's impossible to predict how a spirit who is missing a large part of themselves will act when reunited. All I am sure of is I will be there and can beat it in a fight.
-[x] It's impossible to predict how a spirit who is missing a large part of themselves will act when reunited. All I am sure of is I will be there and can beat it in a fight.
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