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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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It might be something to pursue if you go by Canon it's one thing to have a crush when your 12 13 15 18 it's another when you're in your mid twenties and your still looking for that opportunity even though you've had multiple relationships between that time both the person that you're crushing on and yourself.
Which is to say Molly is genuinely enamored with Mr Dresden though she knows proper boundaries if the opportunity presented itself she was going to attempt to take it but you know the things of Murphy and Maggie going on with Dresden and then his suicide it really never came together for her in story. The fact Dresden is a brick with a cotton candy Center as far as pretty faces go so after she was 18 he could never actually say never or no the relationship just never materialized that she wanted it to.
I'm also of the opinion people shouldn't tell themselves No, while it's a little bit of a meme the worst thing they can say is no. In matters of life and happiness don't tell yourself no, pursue it as much as it's advised or moral to and if it comes to nothing that's fine it was a learning experience but don't tell yourself no before you even start.
[X] Walk along, see where this goes
BoredMan
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Um.. in canon Molly made moves on Dresden more than once only to be turned down. I don't think he ever said the word but if someone isn't recuperating your blatant advances your not typically supposed to think "they never said no".
Fair enough there is a difference in not reciprocating and being adverse to your advances though. In Canon it's always weird with Dresden. She only makes those overtures when she thinks it's appropriate when they're both single and when he isn't committing suicide or grieving from Murphy's death or trying to save his daughter from reds in Mexico. He's always very reluctant because he's just kind of weak to a pretty face to rebuff her advances. Which always gives the impression of there's an opportunity present or future. Never mind the fact there's always multiple months or years in between those advances that you mentioned.
On that bit what is she supposed to think really in story. It's never "I shouldn't go out for a drink with you" it's always "I shouldn't drink" as far as his reasons for not going with her which really leaves Molly in kind of a weird place of "I shouldn't romantically pursue the daughter of Michael" instead of "I shouldn't get into a relationship with Molly Carpenter" I'm almost certain if the second one was true she wouldn't still have a romantic attraction to him after he in no particular order committed suicide had a baby mama and multiple other women. But it's always "this is a bad idea" rather than "I'm not interested." Which is really interesting that Dresden's Poker Face around a pretty woman is actually so terrible.
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There is also the fact that Lash confirmed Harry is attracted to Molly and given where she lived for the last several years she would know. That confirmation did come with a warning in the linked update though.
[X] Sigh... time to remove temptation, at least you can make yourself feel better by punching a fire monster in the face
I think if Harry decided that he seriously wants to be in relationship with Molly (not just in the 'is attracted' sense), we could pursue, but not necessarily now. Think of it as waiting for the inevitable cute (or whatever aesthetic floats our boat) supernatural princeling that we will inevitably meet at some point.
I think if Harry decided that he seriously wants to be in relationship with Molly (not just in the 'is attracted' sense), we could pursue, but not necessarily now. Think of it as waiting for the inevitable cute (or whatever aesthetic floats our boat) supernatural princeling that we will inevitably meet at some point.
BoredMan
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She's supposed to think that it goes against his morals and leave him be. That's the narrative role of her crush in canon. To be a source of physical temptation for the protagonist over a decade her senior. Of course he's not entirely unwilling, that the point.
Okay but what is Molly's incentive to actually do that. If she doesn't believe there's anything morally wrong in her pursuit of him or him in liking her in a romantic fashion what is her motive for not pursuing him? If Molly thinks the morals point is bullshit and can tell he's obviously interested what is her incentive not to pursue him?
I get role in narrative to be a temptation but what incentive In narrative does she have to not actually pursue right now?
BoredMan
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I consider tempting someone to go against their morals so they can go out with you to be morally wrong.
You have to find something morally wrong in an 18 year old pursuing someone older than them which good luck considering 18-year-olds at least right now are considered to have taken the life into their own hands both in military service and gun ownership and most legal rights and housing rights and the list goes on. By all reckonings of her Society she is an adult and she wields both the resources and the power of someone who's ahead of State if there's any gap in morality you would need to explain to an 18 year old that they are for all purposes in adults but not an adult for this particular instance.
BoredMan
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I see moral issues with an 18 year old -not that this started when she was 18- tempting someone to violate their standing morals to go out with and possibly screw someone over a decade their senior that knew them since they were 12 while they were in their twenties. Your not going to be able to change my mind on that. How much personal power she has now isn't relevant to me.
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Yeah you've still yet to State a moral he would actually be breaking. The age difference is weird except Murphy's first husband was 10 years older than her as well as the fact Michael is at least 7 years older than Charity is possibly more depending on what he meant by midlike crisis whether he meant 40 or 45 in storm front. That's not even given to the shit with Lara Raithe and Anastacio both being either his direct Superior or multiple decades older than him both of them. You have an issue with it but it's not actually a moral issue but an age issue because to be a moral issue he would have to do something morally Incorrect and an adult pursuing you an adult fashion and that you either reciprocating or denying are not breaking morals. Nothing you can say about their age difference in this moment can convince me either so because by all means of ability, resources and time she's got him beat in all facets there is no power Gap or moral Gap hear just someone who's reluctant due to who her father is rather than who she is.
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I think that's one of his points, this doesn't happen, it's not an adult chasing another, it's a teenager who, long before she was 18, was chasing an adult and tempting him into a relationship. This is in addition to not accepting that Dresden doesn't want to enter into this type of relationship with her, but that he also cannot completely and firmly deny it, because he is literally described in canon, by himself on top of that, as a "weak caveman for any woman."
That's my problem with this whole relationship, Harry may eventually be physically attracted to Molly, as happened in this update, but he mentally doesn't want to enter into that type of relationship with her, like the several refusals she received in canon. For me, mental will is more important than physical attraction.
I'm sure if their sexes changed and it are a man tried to seduce a woman after being refused several times or later realizing that she, for whatever reason, doesn't want to enter into a relationship with him would have a very different reception.
A person who won't accept someone else's opinion on whether or not they should be in a relationship is an asshole of the highest order, whether male or female, and I would stay away from them. I don't want Molly to be like this, but rather better.
BoredMan
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Going out with someone who clearly has hero worship, to some degree placing him on a pedestal and has pinned after him since before she was "legal" is the moral issue on Harry's end. Micheal didn't imply to Harry in Quest that he'd be fine with it either and Micheal is a good friend of his.
I don't see why your mentioning Murphy, Greg left her besides. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's morally just, you can get married to a preteen in some places and all you need is consent from the parents. Micheal didn't first meet Charity when she was twelve she was already in her twenties. The fact that Harry is willing to date someone older than him as an adult who he only knows from his adult years isn't relevant either.
Okay you're still missing the point we're not playing Harry Dresden. You haven't provided a reason she wouldn't pursue you think it's a moral issue to try and convince someone of something I do not. I am interpreting that you think the age difference is bad or the relationship standards are bad and I don't care because none of that matters from Molly's perspective. She has no reason not to pursue him you have not given me one not one that she hasn't already thought of and decided to ignore anyway even in the option where she goes forward she's mad about having to give it up at the moment you have said nothing except you want to follow Harry's morals over her own actions and that's fine but don't present it like it's actually a point of character or truth because we're playing Margaret Carpenter not Harry Dresden.
BoredMan
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Nearly everything I've been telling you Molly is aware of. The fact that there's an option being presented for her to stop pursuing means she clearly sees a reason(s) to or it wouldn't be there. Reread the end of the last chapter. One is provided from her own monologue.
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In fact, one point that I've always found interesting is that I think a lot of Harry's dislike, not all of it, not even close, but some of it is precisely that he knows that Molly has always had hero worship for him, putting him on a pedestal, being this is the basis of her crush on him, which he really hates, because Harry is the biggest critic of himself.
I like Harry x Lash because she knows him better than anyone else, and instead of acting all "I can fix him" or treat him all like a perfect hero, she stands by him, giving him advice and supporting him, with all the flaws or dark bits he's ashamed of but that she accepts.
You mean that point about Harry that she knows Harry isn't like that not what she wants not what she believes what she knows Harry is like. That's definitely a reason to not pursue him oh wait she already knew he was like that and she still wants him anyway to the point where she says every facet of her wants him as well to the point where she says his problem has multiplied. I'm still not seeing a reason why she as Molly Carpenter and not Harry Dresden wouldn't at least try to convince him.
BoredMan
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You lost me...At any rate if she didn't see any reason(s) to there wouldn't be a vote for it of her own accord. Notice the fact that the option is being presented at all.
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We have the option to stop precisely because Molly herself recognizes that Harry really doesn't want this relationship, even though he is possibly physically trying to which he really doesn't want to acknowledge, but that she can still keep pushing anyway and I, voting how I want her to act just like we do every time in the quest, don't want her to act like people I think are bad, I want her to be better and accept Harry's wishes, making room for her to possibly have other relationships instead of rushing with someone who doesn't wants her.
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Fair enough.
I think you need to reread that cuz that says she shouldn't because he's in a relationship with Tiffany not because he doesn't want the relationship. Which matches her actions in Canon too she only hits on him when they're both single never when she's with Carlos or when he's with Murphy. But that is actually a good reason he's in a relationship and Molly doesn't think that's the right thing to do which is fair.
[X] Sigh... time to remove temptation, at least you can make yourself feel better by punching a fire monster in the face
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DragonParadox, would the remove temptation vote alter our intimacy regarding Harry?