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Yeah, they've convinced me tbh. I'm alright with letting them out. Though I'll hear out arguments against.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Yeah this is why I said it didn't matter that the earlier vote wasn't explicitly for releasing them. Anyone could've told you that if they didn't prove batshit insane they were getting released pretty much immediately.
Where would the knights be staying is my question though. They can't exactly reintegrate with human society right now they are centuries out of date. Maybe we could keep them in the Five Courts in the meantime but that would slow down efforts to catch up on the current earthly time period. The fastest way to go about that would be direct exposure along with history books I think.
I don't believe that bringing Arthur back right now is a good idea however. I hadn't even considered the fact that he maybe directly related to Mab in this Quest that seems like it could turn into a shit show as soon as word gets out. I'd want to get some details on his relation to the Fae Courts in the very least so we have an idea of what we're getting into before we open Pandora's box.
Where would the knights be staying is my question though. They can't exactly reintegrate with human society right now they are centuries out of date. Maybe we could keep them in the Five Courts in the meantime but that would slow down efforts to catch up on the current earthly time period. The fastest way to go about that would be direct exposure along with history books I think.
I don't believe that bringing Arthur back right now is a good idea however. I hadn't even considered the fact that he maybe directly related to Mab in this Quest that seems like it could turn into a shit show as soon as word gets out. I'd want to get some details on his relation to the Fae Courts in the very least so we have an idea of what we're getting into before we open Pandora's box.
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There is no "what are you" that Tiffany can honestly answer without stealing the show. It's just a consequence of who - of what - she is.
I say 'abandon your vow/goal of resurrecting the conquerer chappie', otherwise they can stay there, or can they be sent on to some more pleasant afterlife as an alternative? [though that would count as abandoning, I think]
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Yes it would be rather awkward if we let them loose and they go back to what got them imprisoned in the first place.
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Maybe I missed it but we had the big speech from Lydia on how the world's changed but like no indication that the three listened and internalized "oh cool, can't do like anything we'd want."
I'm not reading this as an acceptance of modernity and abandonment of the "bring Arthur back to reunite all of Christendom" plans.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Yeah before choosing to release them we should actually get some confirmation on that. If we let them loose we need assurances that they won't mess around with their old kingdom and that they're willing to put in the effort to adapt to a Masquerade and modern society. We should also aim to get their word that whether or not Arthur is brought back into this new age isn't solely up to them anymore.
This is something that we need to be transparent on because their ambitions if they get released could have negative political ramifications in both the mundane and supernatural world.
[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength
I am against letting them go completely without oversight, especially since they probably would just resume their quest to resurrect Arthur, and while I am not against it per se, I would like to have a lot more insight into them before going with that. Insight that them joining us should bring.
I am against letting them go completely without oversight, especially since they probably would just resume their quest to resurrect Arthur, and while I am not against it per se, I would like to have a lot more insight into them before going with that. Insight that them joining us should bring.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
This is the time to make demands. Let them know they won't be free to do whatever they please were we to release them now to the living world and not the afterlife.
[X] Plan: Modern Problems Require Modern Knights
-[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength
--[X] Persuasion excellency
--[X] Activate: All Things Betray
---[X] Inform them that if they wish to not simply be freed to the afterlife and walk again amongst mortal men that they require a willingness and ability to adapt to the current age and relinquish their previous mission to resurrect King Arthur if deemed necessary. Whether or not he is brought back is not solely their decision anymore and further attempts to steal the Cauldron will be met with death.
-[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength
--[X] Persuasion excellency
--[X] Activate: All Things Betray
---[X] Inform them that if they wish to not simply be freed to the afterlife and walk again amongst mortal men that they require a willingness and ability to adapt to the current age and relinquish their previous mission to resurrect King Arthur if deemed necessary. Whether or not he is brought back is not solely their decision anymore and further attempts to steal the Cauldron will be met with death.
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They're articulate and personable, but that doesn't stop them from being a problem. To an extent people who look at an unjust world and go "fine, I'll conquer it and make the damn thing just" are admirable, but getting into the fiddly bits of what counts as just can rapidly become unpleasant.
If we do let them go it should be into someone's care. I'm highly tempted to show up in Langtry's office and tell him as a Merlin named Arthur these Arthurian knights are clearly his problem*, then just RVD away.
We probably benefit less from that than if we somehow got them to work for us, but it's more likely they'll actually listen to them than us.
* Really, the council is just asking for it with that combination of names and titles.
If we do let them go it should be into someone's care. I'm highly tempted to show up in Langtry's office and tell him as a Merlin named Arthur these Arthurian knights are clearly his problem*, then just RVD away.
We probably benefit less from that than if we somehow got them to work for us, but it's more likely they'll actually listen to them than us.
* Really, the council is just asking for it with that combination of names and titles.
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The Orthodox and the Catholics have largely come to an understanding. It's the Muslims, Protestants, secularism, and Jews being back in charge of the Holy Land that would be the shock.
I don't see anything about their plans there, it just seems to be a personal rejection of Lydia's idea, that they would prefer being mercy killed to having to live in a modern alien world.
That, while yeah, they would rather die than continue to be stuck in that cell until the end of the
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[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength
Sigh, guess we're adding raising King Arthur to our AP hell.
Sigh, guess we're adding raising King Arthur to our AP hell.
They wouldn't at all be surprised by that the Crusades don't start until the 11th century they got sealed in the 6th. I imagine they would be more surprised by the dissolution of Kingdoms pretty much around the world and the introduction of the Magna Carta which reduces the power of the monarchy still in Britain to essentially a ceremonial position.
I would say tell them about the cauldron and the modern world but I don't think it's our place or even St David's place to decide whether or not someone gets to live again or not. Never mind the fact they sworn an oath of fealty to Arthur and to let him rot is kind of directly contradictory to that. Them attempting to find other ways to resurrect Arthur that don't harm anybody is not particularly a problem.
Arthur wasn't trying to reunite all of Christians that wasn't a thing yet the Holy Roman Empire didn't exist until well into the 10th century no he's trying to reconquer Rome which while it was technically a Christian Empire it wasn't the whole of Christendom. He was doing what essentially every Kingdom in Empire that would come within the next 700 years is trying to do become the next Rome.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
We don't know of Arthur's connections to the Fae Courts and the like. If he's out and about again depending on his ambitions for Britain and whatever have you it could in fact prove problematic for anyone caught in the crossfire. Don't act as if we know its entirely risk free we have little context as to the possible ripple effects right now as we didn't do any research on this version of King Arthur.
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It's what you'd expect from an Exalt.
A mortal (or near-mortal) trying to pull it of does give some respect-points in my book.
I'm talking about these three people not arthur. We can find out about Arthur by picking up any of the hundreds of versions of myths about him and using our Crown any information that we need on him we can find. These three can't even speak Modern English never mind read it they would be attempting to find sources of Resurrection for Arthur essentially through us for the foreseeable future never mind the fact without The Cauldron they are back at square one in a land where they have no more allies. So as I said them attempting to find another method of resurrecting Arthur without hurting anybody is not particularly a problem.
I'm going to need you to elaborate on this. What we know about Arthur so far is he's dead and his body is being kept in stasis by the summer fairies.
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X] Plan: Modern Problems Require Modern Knights
-[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength
--[X] Persuasion excellency
---[X] Inform them that if they wish to not simply be freed to the afterlife and walk again amongst mortal men that they require a willingness and ability to adapt to the current age and relinquish their previous mission to resurrect King Arthur if deemed necessary. Whether or not he is brought back is not solely their decision anymore and further attempts to steal the Cauldron will be met with death.
-[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength
--[X] Persuasion excellency
---[X] Inform them that if they wish to not simply be freed to the afterlife and walk again amongst mortal men that they require a willingness and ability to adapt to the current age and relinquish their previous mission to resurrect King Arthur if deemed necessary. Whether or not he is brought back is not solely their decision anymore and further attempts to steal the Cauldron will be met with death.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Why would them not being able to speak modern English be a hurdle? They can look into supernatural means as they have been when they decided on the Cauldron and that doesn't require that you know English. We don't know that they have no allies your just jumping to conclusions there.
The Fae process time differently and depending on how involved with the Fae Courts Arthur and his Knights were they could very well have immediate resources other than us after reaching out. Just because they decided on the Cauldron doesn't mean it was their only choice just what they decided on.
@.Slaking.LV.Max. Your missing a bracket on your vote.
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Silvereagle21
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[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength