Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Plan legality
-[X] Use the crown on the Halliwell's ID to learn what evidence of his crimes exist
-[X] Anonymously forward said evidence to the police, specifically people working on the related murders
 
[X] Tiffany's plan, get a confession to hand to the police

[X] Yog

[X] Lydia's Plan, Hunter's Bolt through the window to induce stroke like symptoms
 
Another thing we could do is put a temporary cyber devil in his car. If it looks like he's going to hurt someone else before he's caught then it kills him and makes it look like a freak accident.
 
[X] Tiffany's plan, get a confession to hand to the police

[X] Yog

[X] Use Hollow Mind Possession on his car, and order the cyber devil to have an "accident" if it looks like he's going to kill again before the police stop him.
 
I'm a little surprised this guy is still alive. Ghosts don't form after every mortal death, but they still form somewhat commonly and are more frequent around traumatic death. They're also attracted to things similar to how they lived and died.

Even if none of his victims stuck around for revenge an ignorant mundane running around with that sort of trace on him is just asking for negative attention from the ghost of someone else's victim who did. Or really from anyone who can see it regardless of how much they care about justice. That guy is wearing a spiritual acceptable target sign.
 
I'm a little surprised this guy is still alive. Ghosts don't form after every mortal death, but they still form somewhat commonly and are more frequent around traumatic death. They're also attracted to things similar to how they lived and died.

Even if none of his victims stuck around for revenge an ignorant mundane running around with that sort of trace on him is just asking for negative attention from the ghost of someone else's victim who did. Or really from anyone who can see it regardless of how much they care about justice. That guy is wearing a spiritual acceptable target sign.

Thing is so are a bunch of vampires and worse things. You guys know it's a mortal serial killer, some random sorcerer with divination or white court vampire with Auspex or mortal minor talent with a twinge of divination does not without looking and that takes time and effort.
 
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[X] Plan legality
-[X] Use the crown on the Halliwell's ID to learn what evidence of his crimes exist
-[X] Anonymously forward said evidence to the police, specifically people working on the related murders
 
[X] Yog

I really don't care about him, for me it's better to kill him quickly and get back to more important things. But I also don't want to waste any more time looking for a confession as Lash will.

@Yog you are against adding the below to your plan, which is already very complete?

[-] Use Hollow Mind Possession on his car, and order the cyber devil to have an "accident" if it looks like he's going to kill again before the police stop him.
 
[] Tiffany's plan, get a confession to hand to the police

[X] Yog


For everybody seriously voting for the vigilante killing, maybe consider for a sec, that Daniel is right there and we might have to end up having to explain this to Charity?

edit: "harry should we investigate quirrel?" " no its against the rules!"

"luke, we have to fight the empire!"
"i dont want to rebel against our government,that would be illegal!"

"ghandi,should we protes?"
"what,no!thats illegal! its a terrible mindset to go against government authority!get back to work!"

" i have enough of these english royalists!lets just dump the tee in the harbor!" "are you insane!? they are our rulers!now get back to paying taxes!"

I think those are slippery slope strawman examples. There is a big difference between going "screw the rules, I'm doing what is right", when there is no real alternative, and between when there very much is, and it's just more convenient.

If we had to choose between respecting mundane British authority and letting this guy go on killing, I would choose to screw the law every time. But here's the thing, we don't have to. It's not actually necessary this time.

There's a big difference between a "submissive mentality" and not, basically, wanting to take over the world just yet. Because the latter comes with politics. And paperwork. And we are still not good at either.
 
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And if you are for the authoritarian rule of the goddess Empress Molly, then ok. I am personally against the sole seizure of power. It is too complicated and I am not particularly interested in it. But ok. I understand your position. I just do not want this in the quest.
thats fine. i understand your position.

i want to take over the world and make it better. not "better", actually better. which would be impossible without superpowers.


but i understand. we will vote and let the majority decide
[X] Tiffany's plan, get a confession to hand to the police

[X] Yog


For everybody seriously voting for the vigilante killing, maybe consider for a sec, that Daniel is right there and we might have to end up having to explain this to Charity?



I think those are slippery slope strawman examples. There is a big difference between going "screw the rules, I'm doing what is right", when there is no real alternative, and between when there very much is, and it's just more convenient.

If we had to choose between respecting mundane British authority and letting this guy go on killing, I would choose to screw the law every time. But here's the thing, we don't have to. It's not actually necessary this time.

There's a big difference between a "submissive mentality" and not, basically, wanting to take over the world just yet.
submissive mentality was meant for an attitude of, "the government should not be interferred with and being nonlawful is a bad mindset". not "anything but death is unacceptible" and,yes,its straw man. we are an extreme person( powerwise)
we need extreme examples.

wehave very different opinions about what is right. but this is bad argumentation. i will ignore you now.
 
[-] Use Hollow Mind Possession on his car, and order the cyber devil to have an "accident" if it looks like he's going to kill again before the police stop him.
This would make our anima flare - Crown costs 2 motes per use, we flare when we go above 4 motes per scene.

In terms of the vote, my primary goal is to provide closure to the families of the victims.
 
submissive mentality was meant for an attitude of, "the government should not be interferred with and being nonlawful is a bad mindset". not "anything but death is unacceptible" and,yes,its straw man. we are an extreme person( powerwise)

I didn't mean to imply you favored the vigilante killing, I know you voted for the Sanctuary option. Sorry if it came off that way.

My point was more that being nonlawful - without a good reason - is a bad mindest, unless you are willing to accept the consequences and responsibilities that come with it. Basically, that if you think you can make better rules than the authorities of the place and act like it, then you should just take the place over, or accept that others will think you want to take over. And right now that's neither what Molly wants or is prepared for.
 
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While rereading quest I remembered a couple of projects with Molly world and I wonder what their status is. Namely, inviting ghosts through Lydia, inviting Divsimar brothers in calling and finally Wan Xian tests proposed by Nergüi
 
This would make our anima flare - Crown costs 2 motes per use, we flare when we go above 4 motes per scene.

In terms of the vote, my primary goal is to provide closure to the families of the victims.
But do we only spend one essence on the crown?

And besides, I'm partly voting for you on this but I also don't see why we should allow someone to maybe kill someone else while the police move, that would be much worse than closure or not for the families.

Furthermore, we are already going to send all the evidence to the police, whether he is alive or dead when the police get their hands on him doesn't matter, because in the end they declare that they found such a serial killer and his victims are:....

We will only be ensuring that there is no other possible loss of life.
 
While rereading quest I remembered a couple of projects with Molly world and I wonder what their status is. Namely, inviting ghosts through Lydia, inviting Divsimar brothers in calling and finally Wan Xian tests proposed by Nergüi
Lydia doesn't know how things are going, but we spent some time helping her explain how death works to our priests from the city of the end, preparing them for the arrival of ghosts from reality.

The Sihi must have started to arrive in Chicago this turn, so we'll see. And the question of Wan Xian testes (which I personally find very unlikely) has to wait for us to explore the entire Labyrinth, and thus control it, to verify the existence or not of this, and it will not be a quick task.
 
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