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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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uju32 said:
Armor is specifically called out
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Prodigies can be armor, but it's described as Pushing it in terms of passives though. Just because they can doesn't mean they have exclusive dominion over the concept though. Splendors can be pretty much anything because they're supposed to be weird pseudo-artifacts.

In any case the stuff @Yog has designed is a pretty direct application of the rules for making this kind of stuff. You can't reasonably argue they're breaking the rules in their principle effects.
uju32 said:
Anyone supernatural with Stamina 7 would on average take 2 damage.
And its entirely negated by a smokescreen.
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We haven't run into that many things with stamina that high, and anything that does isn't going to be super impressed by the damage of SSB.
 
This recent interlude shows Odin about to launch into war against Mikaboshi to harvest some of his souls. Good for him, I guess. That'll definitely keep Mikaboshi busy, what with his peer Yama Kings and now Odin jumping him after Molly clobbered him with a 2x4.

Odin's also interested in looking for more exaltations, sounds like a Solar and Abyssal/Lunar pair, which just goes to show he doesn't really understand that once released they'll automatically seek hosts and won't be easily guided. I didn't really take him to respond to Molly annihilating the supernatural balance of power by deciding more god-kings/queens are a good thing, but maybe Santa just wants to give a few good boys and girls a power-up.

'Cause currently, the supernatural order is in shambles. Molly just effectively claimed North America as her own, from the strongest of the Yama Kings, and it's looking like he's gonna have to swallow his pride and take it, if he manages to survive the jumping coming his way. The Fae Courts certainly wouldn't want to mess with Molly, considering she could call in their Favors to help her craft WMDs that could feasibly target the opposite Court. And the White Council and Red Court aren't even on the same level as the Fae Courts, and even so the wizards are friendly looking to be more and the Rhampires are trying to pretend Molly didn't just assassinate their heir apparent with a skinwalker.

That's all in a few months of operation from one Celestial Exalted. I can see why Odin wants his own, but I doubt he even understands the mechanics asides from it having to bond to a mortal. He probably thinks he can grab them and give them to a minion, but boy is he in for a surprise.
 
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TheGrape said:
This recent interlude shows Odin about to launch into war against Mikaboshi to harvest some of his souls. Good for him, I guess. That'll definitely keep Mikaboshi busy, what with his peer Yama Kings and now Odin jumping him after Molly clobbered him with a 2x4.

Odin's also interested in looking for more exaltations, sounds like a Solar and Abyssal/Lunar pair, which just goes to show he doesn't really understand that once released they'll automatically seek hosts and won't be easily guided. I didn't really take him to respond to Molly annihilating the supernatural balance of power by deciding more god-kings/queens are a good thing, but maybe Santa just wants to give a few good boys and girls a power-up.

'Cause currently, the supernatural order is in shambles. Molly just effectively claimed North America as her own, from the strongest of the Yama Kings, and it's looking like he's gonna have to swallow his pride and take it, if he manages to survive the jumping coming his way. The Fae Courts certainly wouldn't want to mess with Molly, considering she could call in their Favors to help her craft WMDs that could feasibly target the opposite Court. And the White Council and Red Court aren't even on the same level as the Fae Courts, and even so the wizards are friendly looking to be more and the Rhampires are trying to pretend Molly didn't just assassinate their heir apparent with a skinwalker.

That's all in a few months of operation from one Celestial Exalted. I can see why Odin wants his own, but I doubt he even understands the mechanics asides from it having to bond to a mortal. He probably thinks he can grab them and give them to a minion, but boy is he in for a surprise.
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Molly didn't really claim the continent just because she kicked one asshole off of it. It's more of a Wild West "this town ain't big enough for the two of us" thing. Plenty of people have strong control over areas we have no influence. A majority of the continent even.

As to Odin's target; looks more infernal than anything else to me. I'm not super worried about his ability to find one soon when Molly's is the only one drawn from it in millennia of searching.
 
TheGrape said:
And the White Council and Red Court aren't even on the same level as the Fae Courts, and even so the wizards are friendly looking to be more and the Rhampires are trying to pretend Molly didn't just assassinate their heir apparent with a skinwalker.
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Technically Red Court is on par with Summer or Winter if they are willing to go to open war and stop pretending that they do not work with Outsiders.
TheGrape said:
That's all in a few months of operation from one Celestial Exalted. I can see why Odin wants his own, but I doubt he even understands the mechanics asides from it having to bond to a mortal. He probably thinks he can grab them and give them to a minion, but boy is he in for a surprise.
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He probably suspects that it is more complicated than that - he did drink from Mimisbrunnr after all. But there is little he can do to control them. And from his point of view having multiple Exalted, even if they are not entirely on the same page, may be better than having only one. As long as they are willing to punch Outsiders in the face Odin can care less if they establish themselves as kings of the world.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Molly didn't really claim the continent just because she kicked one asshole off of it. It's more of a Wild West "this town ain't big enough for the two of us" thing. Plenty of people have strong control over areas we have no influence. A majority of the continent even.

As to Odin's target; looks more infernal than anything else to me. I'm not super worried about his ability to find one soon when Molly's is the only one drawn from it in millennia of searching.
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I mean, very few powers on the continent could've taken on even the scouting force Mikaboshi sent over the Arctic. An actual attacking force would've required multiple Wardens to address, and even a naagloshii wouldn't want that smoke.

Molly meanwhile destroyed his scouts and proceeded to alpha strike his capital to the point all his peers are gonna be circling him like vultures; I think the latter was a show of power nobody wants to be on the other end of. Neither the Red, Jade, or even White Court is gonna try anything big in the US with Molly present.

Sure Molly doesn't have influence over anything other than Chicago and Boston and Las Vegas, but she also doesn't have any peers on the continent willing to challenge her in the mortal world. The Fae might have the Nevernever, but if Molly rolls into town anywhere in North America she'll be the one calling the shots in the 'mundane' supernatural world.

'Beast of Night' could refer to that Lunar Exaltation Molly heard of from Lily, especially since Odin referenced it being in the ocean.

Alternatively, maybe it's the actual Jade/Black Vault. That'll be a surprise for everyone.

Zoolimar said:
He probably suspects that it is more complicated than that - he did drink from Mimisbrunnr after all. But there is little he can do to control them. And from his point of view having multiple Exalted, even if they are not entirely on the same page, may be better than having only one. As long as they are willing to punch Outsiders in the face Odin can care less if they establish themselves as kings of the world.
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That's a fair point, but he's also increasing the number of godslayers in the world and flipping the coin as to whether the new ones will be as interested in business as Molly is. Odin has survived because he's careful, so I can't really see him trying to increase the number of individuals capable of killing him without assuming he wants more control over them than he does over Molly.
 
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TheGrape said:
This recent interlude shows Odin about to launch into war against Mikaboshi to harvest some of his souls. Good for him, I guess. That'll definitely keep Mikaboshi busy, what with his peer Yama Kings and now Odin jumping him after Molly clobbered him with a 2x4.

Odin's also interested in looking for more exaltations, sounds like a Solar and Abyssal/Lunar pair, which just goes to show he doesn't really understand that once released they'll automatically seek hosts and won't be easily guided. I didn't really take him to respond to Molly annihilating the supernatural balance of power by deciding more god-kings/queens are a good thing, but maybe Santa just wants to give a few good boys and girls a power-up.

'Cause currently, the supernatural order is in shambles. Molly just effectively claimed North America as her own, from the strongest of the Yama Kings, and it's looking like he's gonna have to swallow his pride and take it, if he manages to survive the jumping coming his way. The Fae Courts certainly wouldn't want to mess with Molly, considering she could call in their Favors to help her craft WMDs that could feasibly target the opposite Court. And the White Council and Red Court aren't even on the same level as the Fae Courts, and even so the wizards are friendly looking to be more and the Rhampires are trying to pretend Molly didn't just assassinate their heir apparent with a skinwalker.

That's all in a few months of operation from one Celestial Exalted. I can see why Odin wants his own, but I doubt he even understands the mechanics asides from it having to bond to a mortal. He probably thinks he can grab them and give them to a minion, but boy is he in for a surprise.
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I remember making a joke about this to Yog when we were talking about people getting their hands on exaltations.
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@Yog we might be spinning our wheels but hey when we hear from Odin's new 20 'Einjhar' Hades' new 20 'Eidelon' Izanami's 20 Evernights Osiris' 20 Neferushabti and Oya's stillborn it'll be great.
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BronzeTongue said:
Prodigies can be armor, but it's described as Pushing it in terms of passives though. Just because they can doesn't mean they have exclusive dominion over the concept though. Splendors can be pretty much anything because they're supposed to be weird pseudo-artifacts.

In any case the stuff @Yog has designed is a pretty direct application of the rules for making this kind of stuff. You can't reasonably argue they're breaking the rules in their principle effects.
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Splendors are described as congealed sorcery, weird magic shit from the Age of Legends.
Routine soak is not supposed to be their function, and they consume valuable and rare reagents to make, in a way that Prodigies and Arcana do not at the lower tiers.

Im beginning to think Im the only person who cares about conserving these things for when we need them.


Admittedly, Holden doesnt appear to think much of magic armor; you see magic guns and magic swords, but dedicated armor is not an example he bothers with.
You apparently get soak with charms.


Furthermore, the things Yog mentioned appear to cross the line between Can and Should, between inspired exploits and Rule Zero non-compliance.

At a time when the QM is mentioning having trouble with balancing combat encounters, designing equipment along the lines of conferring immunities in a system that doesnt really have them except in limited cases (unlike, say, DnD) is the kind of thing you avoid. See the QM banning the Splendor feature Twisted Horror Curse for much the same reason.
BronzeTongue said:
We haven't run into that many things with stamina that high, and anything that does isn't going to be super impressed by the damage of SSB.
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Thats my point. SSB is entirely inappropriate as any sort of standard ranged option.

The greater akuma. The Dragon. The big worm in Cleveland. Iku-Turso. The lesser skinwalkers with not!Crinos.
Anyone with high Willpower who can use Steelskin. Anyone with access to an alchemist making boost potions. Any path sorcerer with Body Control 3. Any fomor with the Exoskeleton and Bestial Mutation powers.

Its very easy to reach Stamina 7 in this system, for at least the duration of a fight.
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If you have some kind of ability that keys off having done damage to someone it is also good.
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True.
Not many of those in the Infernal charmset though.
 
TheGrape said:
Beast of Night' could refer to that Lunar Exaltation Molly heard of from Lily, especially since Odin referenced it being in the ocean.
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Definitely should get on that this year. I don't think we should start handling the White Council issue and the Exaltations in the same turn though. People wanted a rest Arc too.
 
[X]Plan Organizations, Pro and Con

[X] Plan Combat not important
-[X]Molly 42 XP spent
--[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation (20 XP)
--[X]Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••) 20 XP
--[X] Prayer Eating (•) 2XP
-[X]Lydia 9 Xp spent and 2 XP banked
--[X]Occult 2: 2xp
--[X]Ox-Body 4: 3xp
--[X]Devil Fighter/Mo Kung 2: Dragon Speed: 4xp
-[X]Lash: 10xp spent 1 XP banked
--[X] Buy down permeant torment by 1. 10 XP
-[X]Olivia: 9xp bank 2 XP
--[X] Counterspell: Human, 3 XP
--[X] Psychoportation 3, 6 XP
 
Zoolimar said:
Technically Red Court is on par with Summer or Winter if they are willing to go to open war and stop pretending that they do not work with Outsiders.
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They really arent.
Not even vaguely in the same class. The Courts make cities disappear when they get into disagreements.

Its no coincidence that the Red Court got genocided after helping Nfect both Lea and Maeve in canon.
And I dont think Mab in this AU is the forgiving sort either.
Zoolimar said:
He probably suspects that it is more complicated than that - he did drink from Mimisbrunnr after all. But there is little he can do to control them. And from his point of view having multiple Exalted, even if they are not entirely on the same page, may be better than having only one. As long as they are willing to punch Outsiders in the face Odin can care less if they establish themselves as kings of the world.
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He was around when the Solar who stopped the Sahara thing six thousand years ago walked the Earth.
So I suspect he knows a lot more than he's saying.

TheGrape said:
I mean, very few powers on the continent could've taken on even the scouting force Mikaboshi sent over the Arctic. An actual attacking force would've required multiple Wardens to address, and even a naagloshii wouldn't want that smoke.
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What?*refreshes memory* 7x Demons of Iron and Violence? Mid-tier HiTMark equivalents?

Thats a significant exaggeration. There's a reason Morgan lured a naagloshii into the line of fire of a nuclear test.
Broken Seeker would have murdered those guys all over the tundra as a quick warmup. A shaman of the Forest People would have crushed them. Summer and Winter would have only bothered with one hitter.

The Red Court would have needed serious hitters, but this was the sort of thing that Bloodpacks and Icks can handle IMO.
Significant casualties, but doable.
The White Court would have gotten the US Army to do it instead though :V
TheGrape said:
Molly meanwhile destroyed his scouts and proceeded to alpha strike his capital to the point all his peers are gonna be circling him like vultures; I think the latter was a show of power nobody wants to be on the other end of. Neither the Red, Jade, or even White Court is gonna try anything big in the US with Molly present.
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This is the part thats beyond most of the current supernatural players on the planet.
Not all, mind; do remember that the same thing was done to Lanka by a shapeshifter when he got too big for his britches.
And someone tried to do this to Mab in Proven Guilty.
 
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  • [X] Plan: courtly debut v2
    -[X] Molly, 37 XP
    --[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation: 20xp
    --[X] Counterspell: Human, 3 XP
    --[X] Emergency Minion Hologram, 4 XP
    --[X] Digital Possessions Management, 4XP
    --[X] Shadow Spite Curse (••), 6 XP
    -[X] Lydia, 12 XP
    --[X] Counterspell: Spirit, 3 XP
    --[X] Excellency: Wits, 3 XP
    --[X] Akashic Root Methodology (••), 6 XP
    -[X] Lash, 12 XP
    --[X] Lore of Humanity 1, 7 XP
    --[X] Lore of Light 2. 5 XP
    --[X]Investment: Fomor Power: Numbing 1: +3HL + wound penalty negation [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 6: Regrowth: [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 5: Soak Aggravated Damage [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    -[X] Olivia, 12 XP
    --[X] Counterspell: Fae, 3 XP
    --[X] Psychoportation 3, 6 XP
    [X]Plan Shadow Clones
    -[X]Molly: 40xp
    --[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation: 20xp
    --[X]Sandstrike Blast: 8xp
    --[X]Countermagic 2/4(Human + Vampire): 6xp
    --[X]Ox-Body Technique 3: 3xp
    --[X]By Rage Recast 3: Swift Stride: 3xp
    --[X]Lash raise Stamina to 5
    --[X]Remaining Bank: 1xp
    -[X]Lash: 11xp
    --[X]Investment: Fomor Power: Numbing 1: +3HL + wound penalty negation [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 6: Regrowth: [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 5: Soak Aggravated Damage [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Lore of Light 2: Bend Light: 5 XP
    --[X]Occult Aptitude: 3XP
    --[X]Countermagic 1/4(Spirit): 3xp
    -[X]Lydia: 11xp + Molly 1
    --[X]Occult 2: 2xp
    --[X]Ox-Body 4: 3xp
    --[X]Devil Fighter/Mo Kung 2: Dragon Speed: 4xp
    --[X]Countermagic 1/4 (Fae): 3xp
    -[X]Olivia: 11xp
    --[X]Bank XP
    [X]Plan Organizations, Pro and Con
    -[X]Molly: 40xp
    --[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation: 20xp
    --[X]Endless Torment Emanation: 12xp
    --[X]Countermagic 2/4(Human + Vampire): 6xp
    --[X]Lash raise Stamina to 5
    --[X]Bank 2 xp
    -[X]Lash: 11xp
    --[X]Investment: Fomor Power: Numbing 1: +3HL + wound penalty negation [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 6: Regrowth: [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 5: Soak Aggravated Damage [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Lore of Light 2: Bend Light: 5 XP
    --[X]Occult Aptitude: 3XP
    --[X]Countermagic 1/4(Spirit): 3xp
    -[X]Lydia: 11xp + Molly 1
    --[X]Occult 2: 2xp
    --[X]Ox-Body 4: 3xp
    --[X]Devil Fighter/Mo Kung 2: Dragon Speed: 4xp
    --[X]Countermagic 1/4 (Fae): 3xp
    -[X]Olivia: 11xp
    --[X]Bank XP
    [X] Plan Combat not important
    -[X]Molly 42 XP spent
    --[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation: 20xp
    --[X]Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••) 20 XP
    --[X] Prayer Eating (•) 2XP
    -[X]Lydia 9 Xp spent and 2 XP banked
    --[X]Occult 2: 2xp
    --[X]Ox-Body 4: 3xp
    --[X]Devil Fighter/Mo Kung 2: Dragon Speed: 4xp
    -[X]Lash: 10xp spent 1 XP banked
    --[X] Buy down permeant torment by 1. 10 XP
    -[X]Olivia: 9xp bank 2 XP
    --[X] Counterspell: Human, 3 XP
    --[X] Psychoportation 3, 6 XP
    [X] Plan Rounding out and Clones
    -[X] Molly (41 XP) 1 XP Banked
    --[X] Increase Craft to 5 Dots (4 XP)
    --[X] Increase Academics to 2 Dots (2 XP)
    --[X] Increase Leadership to 4 Dots (3 XP)
    --[X] Increase Alchemy to 5 Dot (12 XP)
    --[X] Buy Mana Manipulation to 3 Dots (7 XP)
    --[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation: 20xp
    --[X]Lash raise Stamina to 5
    -[X]Lash: 11xp
    --[X]Investment: Fomor Power: Numbing 1: +3HL + wound penalty negation [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 6: Regrowth: [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 5: Soak Aggravated Damage [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Lore of Light 2: Bend Light: 5 XP
    --[X]Occult Aptitude: 3XP
    --[X]Countermagic 1/4(Spirit): 3xp
    -[X]Lydia: 11xp + Molly 1
    --[X]Occult 2: 2xp
    --[X]Ox-Body 4: 3xp
    --[X]Devil Fighter/Mo Kung 2: Dragon Speed: 4xp
    --[X]Countermagic 1/4 (Fae): 3xp
    -[X]Olivia: 11xp
    --[X]Bank XP
    [X] Plan Do Stuff
    -[X] Molly, 38 XP
    --[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation: 20xp
    --[X] Principle Invoking Onslaught (•••), 12 XP
    --[X] Shadow Spite Curse (••), 6 XP
    -[X] Lydia, 12 XP
    --[X] Counterspell: Spirit, 3 XP
    --[X] Excellency: Wits, 3 XP
    --[X] Akashic Root Methodology (••), 6 XP
    -[X] Lash, 12 XP
    --[X] Lore of Humanity 1, 7 XP
    --[X] Lore of Light 2. 5 XP
    -[X] Olivia, 12 XP
    --[X] Counterspell: Human, 3 XP
    --[X] Counterspell: Fae, 3 XP
    --[X] Psychoportation 3, 6 XP
    [X] Plan: courtly debut v1
    -[X] Molly, 38 XP
    --[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation: 20xp
    --[X] Treading the Golden Path, 4 XP
    --[X] Five Paths, One Ring, 4 XP
    --[X] Digital Possessions Management, 4XP
    --[X] Shadow Spite Curse (••), 6 XP
    -[X] Lydia, 12 XP
    --[X] Counterspell: Spirit, 3 XP
    --[X] Excellency: Wits, 3 XP
    --[X] Akashic Root Methodology (••), 6 XP
    -[X] Lash, 12 XP
    --[X] Lore of Humanity 1, 7 XP
    --[X] Lore of Light 2. 5 XP
    --[X]Investment: Fomor Power: Numbing 1: +3HL + wound penalty negation [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 6: Regrowth: [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    --[X]Investment: Special Advantage 5: Soak Aggravated Damage [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
    -[X] Olivia, 12 XP
    --[X] Counterspell: Human, 3 XP
    --[X] Counterspell: Fae, 3 XP
    --[X] Psychoportation 3, 6 XP
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uju32 said:
They really arent.
Not even vaguely in the same class. The Courts make cities disappear when they get into disagreements.

Its no coincidence that the Red Court got genocided after helping Nfect both Lea and Maeve in canon.
And I dont think Mab in this AU is the forgiving sort either.
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I personally find it a little weird that nothing like that has happened yet. We cured Maeve months ago and now summer shouldn't be getting in the way either. Maybe we are just out of the loop?
 
uju32 said:
What?*refreshes memory* 7x Demons of Iron and Violence? Mid-tier HiTMark equivalents?
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I meant an actually attacking force: the force Molly disposed of over the Arctic was meant to gather info on her capabilities, remember? A tailored assault force would've been a lot harder to fight, since such a force meant to take on Molly the Murderblender would also be dangerous to the average naagloshii.

Not to mention the US Army is the *worst* match up for Mikaboshi's elites, considering the potential for jamming their communications and/or giving false orders/info, when going against a technological superior.

uju32 said:
This is the part thats beyond most of the current supernatural players on the planet.
Not all, mind; do remember that the same thing was done to Lanka by a shapeshifter when he got too big for his britches.
And someone tried to do this to Mab in Proven Guilty.
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Basically, it's only ever been successfully done once, and Molly's proven she can replicate the feat. If she hadn't had to rescue a hostage, it would've been even easier: Crown + CtCG + Favor-boosted Exalt-crafted WMD = unhappy times for all.
 
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I meant an actually attacking force: the force Molly disposed of over the Arctic was meant to gather info on her capabilities, remember? A tailored assault force would've been a lot harder to fight, since such a force meant to take on Molly the Murderblender would also be dangerous to the average naagloshii.
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Nope. Murder.

A naagloshii is a hellish hybrid of a Senior Council-class magic user and the thing that a loup-garou would like to be when it grows up, with the arcane knowledge base of a lesser angel. In this setting they are Incarna. Lesser incarna, but incarna nonetheless; the QM has modelled Seeker with elder Garou gifts.

They are the Yama King's narrative peers; semi-divine functionaries who rebelled and betrayed their duties.
Hell, Seeker is significantly older than Mikaboshi.

And critically, they give as few fucks about collateral damage as the Demons themselves do.
Like I said, Morgan nuked his in canon for a reason.
If forced to, one of those guys would clean out one of those assault forces.

It would be like throwing those guys at a Yama King who stopped by an Earthside bar for a burger.

They just prefer to predate on softer targets, just like big cats on the savannah prefer to hunt deer over honey badgers.
They can do it, its just work.
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Basically, it's only ever been successfully done once, and Molly's proven she can replicate the feat. If she hadn't had to rescue a hostage, it would've been even easier: Crown + CtCG + Favor-boosted Exalt-crafted WMD = unhappy times for all.
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Not just once.
There's another Yama King, Dogar Khan I think, who got crippled by kuejin attacking his Hell's geomancy, which promptly got him swarmed by his peers.

Its rare, but it does happen.
 
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fictionfan said:
I personally find it a little weird that nothing like that has happened yet. We cured Maeve months ago and now summer shouldn't be getting in the way either. Maybe we are just out of the loop?
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We're probably out of the loop.
I have my suspicions about the ultimate source of the intel that allowed Morgan and his strike squad to ambush a Lord of Outer Night in Mexico City, but those are just suspicions.

However, the Leanansidhe, Mab's handmaiden is not yet healed and back on the field. Which means she's still a little preoccupied. And Mab can be very patient when organizing a proper bollocking

It was Year 8 between Small Favor, when Nicodemus and the Denarians deliberately offered her insult, broke her Accords and kidnapped the Archive, who was acting under Mab's guarantee.
Mab didnt arrange to screw Nicodemus back until Year 14, six years later.
 
Yeah, when someone screws over Mab, it takes years at the earliest for her revenge to come into play.

When someone tries to screw over Molly, good odds they'll be regretting it in a week. That one Black Vampire that nearly stole her meal and Seeker are the only ones who've gotten away with it, so far. Even Sandra got pimp-slapped within a few months.

Our perspective is understandably skewed. Nobody's capable of moving at Molly's speed in the supernatural world: the Crown alone deletes multiple Dresden books' worth of investigation, while Molly's hands tend to turn the fighting part into the killing part.
 
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uju32 said:
they consume valuable and rare reagents to make, in a way that Prodigies and Arcana do not at the lower tiers.

Im beginning to think Im the only person who cares about conserving these things for when we need them.
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They're recyclable, though. You can re-craft a Splendor into a same-rating Splendor, losslessly. (QM should probably specify that the Artifact Forge does not mean we can use its cost reduction on that, so we can't multi-stage craft high-tier artifacts for basically free.)
 
TheGrape said:
Yeah, when someone screws over Mab, it takes years at the earliest for her revenge to come into play.
When someone tries to screw over Molly, good odds they'll be regretting it in a week. That one Black Vampire that nearly stole her meal and Seeker are the only ones who've gotten away with it, so far. Even Sandra got pimp-slapped within a few months.

Our perspective is understandably skewed. Nobody's capable of moving at Molly's speed in the supernatural world: the Crown alone deletes multiple Dresden books' worth of investigation, while Molly's hands tend to turn the fighting part into the killing part.
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All hail the Killer Queen of Chicago!
Well, the Fae appear to prefer Slayer Queen, but I dont see mortals of Molly's generation passing up the JJBA reference.
Or the Queen reference, for that matter:

She's a killer queen
Gunpowder, gelatine
Dynamite with a laser beam
Guaranteed to blow your mind
Tsotate said:
They're recyclable, though. You can re-craft a Splendor into a same-rating Splendor, losslessly. (QM should probably specify that the Artifact Forge does not mean we can use its cost reduction on that, so we can't multi-stage craft high-tier artifacts for basically free.)
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*re-checks*
Huh, thats something I completely forgot.
I should stop disturbing myself over it then. Thanks.
 
uju32 said:
Thats my point. SSB is entirely inappropriate as any sort of standard ranged option.

The greater akuma. The Dragon. The big worm in Cleveland. Iku-Turso. The lesser skinwalkers with not!Crinos.
Anyone with high Willpower who can use Steelskin. Anyone with access to an alchemist making boost potions. Any path sorcerer with Body Control 3. Any fomor with the Exoskeleton and Bestial Mutation powers.

Its very easy to reach Stamina 7 in this system, for at least the duration of a fight.
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Sand Strike Blast, not Sinner boiling stare. It's not that easy I don't think. Most people are going to be investing in soak boost over stamina boosts.


uju32 said:
True.
Not many of those in the Infernal charmset though.
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There is that disease option, and we did just buy a super plague. Even got a warning about the potential to build new things off of it.

Even if that doesn't pan out there's always collaborating with Tiffany to make more horrifying crimes against god and good sense. :V
 
Tsotate said:
They're recyclable, though. You can re-craft a Splendor into a same-rating Splendor, losslessly. (QM should probably specify that the Artifact Forge does not mean we can use its cost reduction on that, so we can't multi-stage craft high-tier artifacts for basically free.)
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Eh, Molly's time is likely to become the bottleneck there.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Sand Strike Blast, not Sinner boiling stare. It's not that easy I don't think. Most people are going to be investing in soak boost over stamina boosts.
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Thank you for the clarification.

Thats not the issue you think though.
Most people dont have Agg soak, while Sandstrike Blast benefits from Transcendent Anathema .
So thats an Aggravated attack.

Your senior vampire or Jade Court jina with Fortitude 5 or Iron Mountain has maximum 5 Soak against Sandstrike Blast.
BronzeTongue said:
There is that disease option, and we did just buy a super plague. Even got a warning about the potential to build new things off of it.

Even if that doesn't pan out there's always collaborating with Tiffany to make more horrifying crimes against god and good sense. :V
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There's only one charm I can think that applies to, which is Dreams of Disease.
And we arent building around it.
Though maybe we should think of buying it before our next visit to Yomi Wan.
 
I am going to make one last argument for votes based on the things I think Yog is ignoring that I believe are critically important:
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Vegas
  • The Egyptian robot stabbed Molly twice, and reduced her health to 40%, giving her a wound penalty and forcing us to stop work for half a day. We didnt have the extra HP to continue.
  • The Dragon almost nuked Vegas and we didnt have a counterspell to stop him. Dresden literally pulled off a Hail Mary.
  • The lesser Outsiders almost killed Dresden, and we had no ranged attack to stop them while we were grappled. It took a Deus Ex Machina to keep him alive.


The Ebon Road
  • Lydia failed her Occult rolls to identify the Road. She only has Occult 1
  • We had to outrun pursuers on the Ebon Road.

Wicked City
  • Lash almost got caught, and we had no ranged attack to take out the guard drones without going out into the open and blowing our cover.
  • The akuma and flying drones blocked our way. We were explicitly told that the akuma and their goblin gliders could probably keep up with us if we'd simply tried to outrun them.
  • Lash rolled super high to manage to roll a Lore of Light attack that does Bashing into killing them all. Else we would have been slowed down there. We had no ranged attack. Molly still doesnt have one.
  • Lydia failed her Rest Granting Strike roll to permakill akuma.
  • Lydia had only 3 dice (Perception 2 + Occult 1) to roll Open The Way to escape Yomi Wan, and she was being opposed by Mikaboshi himself. That was...bad.


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These are all demonstrated issues that my plan tries to address.
And which Yog's doesnt.


Sandstrike Blast is a ranged attack that deals Lethal or Agg, bypassing most of the enemy's Soak.
Rage Recast Swift Stride allows Molly to run faster when necessary.
The Ox-Body increases our chances of shrugging off future injury if necessary.

And Countermagic (Human + Vampire) allows us to prevent both evil human mages and vampires from using their magics against us, or the city we're in.

There's things Yog and I agree on (Lash's mods, SGI)
But he is IMO missing the critical importance of these issues Ive mentioned.
So I am actively soliciting your votes, to avoid having these issues persist.
 
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