Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

In terms of his attention it's worth considering what side effects contesting us might have. When we went shintai in Avalon it blocked Titania from pulling time manipulation stuff on the nemesis hosts. Part of that was the backwash of our fight with Iku, but it being that disruptive implies some things about the investment to fight with it.

I don't think he'd be able to just shut it down and then move on, he'd need to commit something to the effort and forgo whatever else he'd be doing with what power. He's good at his job, but that particular ability isn't one it should be as simple as an essence roll off to contest.

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Yog said:

We don't need to use it multiple times. With Joe we can escape to our kingdom. And as to wardens, I doubt anyone but Mikaboshi himself is trusted with any possible teleportation capability.

There's no ruling clique. Mikahoshi doesn't serve the interests of the societal elites. He is an absolute tyrant ruling by his own personal power, and nothing else. There's only him and his victims in his hell.

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Minutes of meditation is a nonstarter. We're going to get swarmed and have our concentration broken.

Lydia can burn willpower on opening a way and she doesn't have to pass through it when she makes a portal. That's a better option all around.

BronzeTongue said:

Lydia can burn willpower on opening a way and she doesn't have to pass through it when she makes a portal. That's a better option all around.

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Open The Way is Perception + Occult with a DC of [Gauntlet]; this far inside the Wicked City, its probably DC9.
And we've been explicitly told that Mikaboshi gets an opposed roll
I wouldnt risk it without an Excellency, and she doesnt have one for Perception.

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PLAN
[X]Plan Wrecking Ball
-[X]Ask Lash to reapply buffs to applicable party
-[X]Activate Shintai: -2m, -2WP
-[X]STUNT: You murmur quiet thanks as Tiffany withdraws her hand from your shoulder, the rush of strength a background sensation to your mounting irritation at the wall underneath your hand. You take a look over your shoulder at the people behind you, and your eyes fall on the bakemono, you make your decision."Fuck it, we ball." And with an effort of will you become.


RATIONALE
I agree with BronzeTongue that our fastest option right now appears to be going full shintai. We've used it publicly multiple times, so Mikaboshi knows it exists. Not entirely happy with BronzeTongue's vote; specifically, I think AtP is a waste of Essence in this situation, and that we're passing up a buff, so I made my own.

Lydia has shown that Mikaboshi can contest her exit charms, so I would not rely on it for evacuation inside a Hell.

Calibration Gate costs 4m. Using it twice would be 8m, more than half of Molly's current maximum Essence pool.
Going into a fight, Molly cant afford to assume that she will have 4m to spare at the end of the fight to use it again after evacuating a bunch of people. So they kinda have to come with her, so she opens it once.

And I'd rather not step directly into Sanctuary from here, lest it give Mikaboshi an idea where Sanctuary is.

Yog said:

We don't need to use it multiple times. With Joe we can escape to our kingdom. And as to wardens, I doubt anyone but Mikaboshi himself is trusted with any possible teleportation capability.

There's no ruling clique. Mikahoshi doesn't serve the interests of the societal elites. He is an absolute tyrant ruling by his own personal power, and nothing else. There's only him and his victims in his hell.

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I would not open a path from the center of the Wicked City to Sanctuary unless I had absolutely no other option.
I see no reason to risk giving him any indication about where it is.
And I dont want to bring Joe Magarac there anyway, not without some prior assessment.


Then there would be no point to having it.
He sure as fuck isnt about to YOLO into the face of a possible peer and risk either death or permanent injury. He doesnt respond

That said, I just dont think they have teleportation. It breaks too many things.
It would be nigh-impossible to invade a hostile Hell when the YK there could simply relocate around murdering your army. Or to kill a Yama King in his own Hell if you cannot pin him down, and we know that more than one Yama King has been killed in his own Hell.

uju32 said:

Open The Way is Perception + Occult with a DC of [Gauntlet]; this far inside the Wicked City, its probably DC9.
And we've been explicitly told that Mikaboshi gets an opposed roll
I wouldnt risk it without an Excellency, and she doesnt have one for Perception.

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PLAN
[X]Plan Wrecking Ball
-[X]Ask Lash to reapply buffs to applicable party
-[X]Activate Shintai: -2m, -2WP
-[X]STUNT: You murmur quiet thanks as Tiffany withdraws her hand from your shoulder, the rush of strength a background sensation to your mounting irritation at the wall underneath your hand. You take a look over your shoulder at the people behind you, and your eyes fall on the bakemono, you make your decision."Fuck it, we ball." And with an effort of will you become.


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I agree with BronzeTongue that our fastest option right now appears to be going full shintai. We've used it publicly multiple times, so Mikaboshi knows it exists. Not entirely happy with BronzeTongue's vote; specifically, I think AtP is a waste of Essence in this situation, and that we're passing up a buff, so I made my own.

Lydia has shown that Mikaboshi can contest her exit charms, so I would not rely on it for evacuation inside a Hell.

Calibration Gate costs 4m. Using it twice would be 8m, more than half of Molly's current maximum Essence pool.
Going into a fight, Molly cant afford to assume that she will have 4m to spare at the end of the fight to use it again after evacuating a bunch of people. So they kinda have to come with her, so she opens it once.

And I'd rather not step directly into Sanctuary from here, lest it give Mikaboshi an idea where Sanctuary is.

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I think it's worth the essence, but I see the argument so I'll add a version of my plan without AtP.

[X] Plan Shell Game
-[X] Lydia opens a way (spend willpower for success) allowing Nergui, the technician, and any elementals who want out to exit, seeking to regroup in Boston. She however stays with the raiding party.
-[X] Tiffany applies a heat resistance effect to herself and Lydia, along with whatever stat boosts she can to all three of them as the evacuation progresses.
-[X] Molly activates TLF and AtP, interacting with the party and elementals who choose to stay so they can see her.
-[X] Blitz to Joe's location but stop to apply combat buffs just prior to entering if possible.

[X] Plan Bitten By A Radioactive Toddler
-[X] Molly Activates AtP and Shintai
—[X] While doing do she attempts to make the changes appear to be a symptom of the plague as much as is practical.
—[X] Using Shintai Molly clears the path for the raiding party as they blitz to Joe's location.
-[X] [Stunt]: Casting a critical gaze over the way ahead, consideration firming to resolve in Molly's eyes. "Old man, you are trying my patience" something rumbled beneath her words, beneath her feet, here of all places the truth of her nature rising to the surface with unseen strength.
—[X] It was the howling of iron wind like countless gnashing teeth. It was the crackle of lightning that danced with the work of clever hands and raged at their desecration. It was the grinding of a wheel cradling five billion souls in a world that loved them and wanted to see them grow. For one moment more it echoed out into hell, and then things began to change.
—[X] In the world around them the city took on the cast of a different dream. Neither surrounded or alone, held in place or forced to flee, made to fit a mold or barred from your true nature; in each line the city spelled out a message to those within. You matter. The world cares and it wants you to succeed

[X] Plan Bitten By A Radioactive Toddler no AtP add buffs
-[X] Ask Tiffany to reapply buffs
-[X] Molly Activates Shintai
—[X] While doing do she attempts to make the changes appear to be a symptom of the plague as much as is practical.
—[X] Using Shintai Molly clears the path for the raiding party as they blitz to Joe's location.
-[X] [Stunt]: Casting a critical gaze over the way ahead, consideration firming to resolve in Molly's eyes. "Old man, you are trying my patience" something rumbled beneath her words, beneath her feet, here of all places the truth of her nature rising to the surface with unseen strength.
—[X] It was the howling of iron wind like countless gnashing teeth. It was the crackle of lightning that danced with the work of clever hands and raged at their desecration. It was the grinding of a wheel cradling five billion souls in a world that loved them and wanted to see them grow. For one moment more it echoed out into hell, and then things began to change.
—[X] In the world around them the city took on the cast of a different dream. Neither surrounded or alone, held in place or forced to flee, made to fit a mold or barred from your true nature; in each line the city spelled out a message to those within. You matter. The world cares and it wants you to succeed

[X] Plan Bitten By A Radioactive Toddler no AtP add buffs
-[X] Ask Tiffany to reapply buffs
-[X] Molly Activates Shintai
—[X] While doing do she attempts to make the changes appear to be a symptom of the plague as much as is practical.
—[X] Using Shintai Molly clears the path for the raiding party as they blitz to Joe's location.
-[X] [Stunt]: Casting a critical gaze over the way ahead, consideration firming to resolve in Molly's eyes. "Old man, you are trying my patience" something rumbled beneath her words, beneath her feet, here of all places the truth of her nature rising to the surface with unseen strength.
—[X] It was the howling of iron wind like countless gnashing teeth. It was the crackle of lightning that danced with the work of clever hands and raged at their desecration. It was the grinding of a wheel cradling five billion souls in a world that loved them and wanted to see them grow. For one moment more it echoed out into hell, and then things began to change.
—[X] In the world around them the city took on the cast of a different dream. Neither surrounded or alone, held in place or forced to flee, made to fit a mold or barred from your true nature; in each line the city spelled out a message to those within. You matter. The world cares and it wants you to succeed

BronzeTongue said:

[X] Plan Bitten By A Radioactive Toddler no AtP add buffs
-[X] Ask Tiffany to reapply buffs
-[X] Molly Activates Shintai
—[X] While doing do she attempts to make the changes appear to be a symptom of the plague as much as is practical.
—[X] Using Shintai Molly clears the path for the raiding party as they blitz to Joe's location.
-[X] [Stunt]: Casting a critical gaze over the way ahead, consideration firming to resolve in Molly's eyes. "Old man, you are trying my patience" something rumbled beneath her words, beneath her feet, here of all places the truth of her nature rising to the surface with unseen strength.
—[X] It was the howling of iron wind like countless gnashing teeth. It was the crackle of lightning that danced with the work of clever hands and raged at their desecration. It was the grinding of a wheel cradling five billion souls in a world that loved them and wanted to see them grow. For one moment more it echoed out into hell, and then things began to change.
—[X] In the world around them the city took on the cast of a different dream. Neither surrounded or alone, held in place or forced to flee, made to fit a mold or barred from your true nature; in each line the city spelled out a message to those within. You matter. The world cares and it wants you to succeed

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I can live with this one. Approval vote.
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[X]Plan Wrecking Ball
-[X]Ask Lash to reapply buffs to applicable party
-[X]Activate Shintai: -2m, -2WP
-[X]STUNT: You murmur quiet thanks as Tiffany withdraws her hand from your shoulder, the rush of strength a background sensation to your mounting irritation at the wall underneath your hand. You take a look over your shoulder at the people behind you, and your eyes fall on the bakemono, you make your decision."Fuck it, we ball." And with an effort of will you become.


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One nitpick; I'm not sure that that saying 'fuck it, we ball' was really a thing in ye olde '07.

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Something occurs to me that would be useful if we survive and are crazy enough to try this again.

Go look at the Arcana rules. Notice that most types have restrictions like needing to physically construct the body and use particular components, where a phantasm and therefore emanation only needs a keystone. Further note the lack of any size rules.

For most there are practical limits to what we can do because they have to be able to go places and assembling a mountain sized golem that can move around is impractical. We just need to anchor the power to a physical trinket and the creature manifests itself with bullshit magic power and presumably ectoplasm.

I assume actually making a mountain that can pop out of a magic ring is probably going to get banned, but I don't see a reason we could make ourselves a pop up steed. Given Molly's themes a sapient APC doesn't seem out of line. Arcana are characters, so they can own splendors. Assuming we don't use one as an anchor in the first place we could back door protection for the party from one low ranked splendor by being inside the user while it's active.

When DP gets back online we should ask about where we cap out on a scale of 1 to "purse dog scaled for Molly's jotun body".

DragonParadox said:

it comes to specialized protections, but thee would be rolls against the heat, he could get unlucky on the dice.

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@DragonParadox May I ask what's the penalty of failure on said roll?

Is there a reason why we are voting to go for Shintai now given the concerns with Mikaboshi seeing it and doing something, where we already have a (mostly) viable alternative for Nergui in?
(Also, how long does reapplying buffs take again, and I wonder if Nergui has any secrets they don't mind telling us?)

For now:
[X] Plan Bitten By A Radioactive Toddler no AtP add buffs

Edit: Don't we have a move faster Charm, or does Shintai make that irrelevant?

BronzeTongue said:

Heaven is real. Heaven is here, if only in pieces. What was once can be again, and that blasphemous spark lit in your heart knows just how to get it.

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Haven't had the time to post like I usually do but I've been enjoying reading.

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[X]Plan Wrecking Ball

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quantum lurker said:

@DragonParadox May I ask what's the penalty of failure on said roll?

Is there a reason why we are voting to go for Shintai now given the concerns with Mikaboshi seeing it and doing something, where we already have a (mostly) viable alternative for Nergui in?
(Also, how long does reapplying buffs take again, and I wonder if Nergui has any secrets they don't mind telling us?)

For now:
[X] Plan Bitten By A Radioactive Toddler no AtP add buffs

Edit: Don't we have a move faster Charm, or does Shintai make that irrelevant?

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We do, but it activates for free as long as we keep moving long enough, capping our around 10 minutes in to a jog. We can't keep anyone with us without MHM if we go full sprint though, so we probably don't want to do that.

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Honestly, I just think we have a little time and we can risk buffs...and trying to get into shintai.
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Votes as they stand.

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BronzeTongue said:

Something occurs to me that would be useful if we survive and are crazy enough to try this again.

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Just learn Emerald Spirit Binding and bring a couple jagglings with you to back up your shintai.
At E4, you can bind four of them for a year at a time.

quantum lurker said:

Is there a reason why we are voting to go for Shintai now given the concerns with Mikaboshi seeing it and doing something, where we already have a (mostly) viable alternative for Nergui in?
(Also, how long does reapplying buffs take again, and I wonder if Nergui has any secrets they don't mind telling us?)

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Nergui and the elementals would be fine, Bakemono Bob would not.

A turn is 3 seconds. Manipulate Flesh is Int 4 + Medicine 4, and DC should be around 7-8(base DC 5-6 + All is Poison 2).
Avg 3 turns to raise Lash's Intelligence from 4 to 10, and then average 2 turns to give an additional +6 sux to the Physical Attributes of Molly, Lydia and Lash. Average duration 60 seconds to max physical atrributes at 10.

I dont think Molly needs to recharge Essence atm.
Besides, she's digging through the security of a restricted facility; lost of secrets around to recharge with.

Ivar said:

Honestly, I just think we have a little time and we can risk buffs...and trying to get into shintai.
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This is the second time Molly is using shintai in this arc.
Normally the DC would be 6, but Molly has a -5DC buff to her rolls from BSM, TLF and CCC.
She'll autopass the activation roll.

60 seconds... I wonder if we could modify the Stunt to sell us being stymied instead of stalling for time until we pull off Shintai?

uju32 said:

Just learn Emerald Spirit Binding and bring a couple jagglings with you to back up your shintai.
At E4, you can bind four of them for a year at a time.

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That's 10 exp and 4 hiring campaigns away though, and doesn't let us custom build the creatures involved. Worth doing at some point but not as flexible a tool as arcana crafting.

Imma note I'm an idiot for a while I was super confused when the fuck bob became a bakemono. Only now realizing everyone collectively just chose to name the dude bob.

quantum lurker said:

60 seconds... I wonder if we could modify the Stunt to sell us being stymied instead of stalling for time until we pull off Shintai?

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We dont need to.
They'll assume it anyway if we just stop in place for a minute or two.

BronzeTongue said:

That's 10 exp and 4 hiring campaigns away though, and doesn't let us custom build the creatures involved. Worth doing at some point but not as flexible a tool as arcana crafting.

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Arcana may allow you custom build, but they have a relatively limited set of features.
And they are pretty resource-intensive to make, in both money, magic and time.

Just looking at golems, for instance, which are the least complicated application for Molly to pursue?
You need
1) Resources 6 as a rating for anything rating 4 or higher
2) Rating 3+ reagents or Prodigies or Fetishes to sacrifice for each 5-dot golem
3) A couple weeks crafting time per arcana
4) A Dragons Nest for each arcana to animate it

You can go out and recruit 4x Gafflings or Jagglings with a single AP.
Making 4 Arcana with a rating of 3 or higher is the work of multiple story arcs.