questioningmeme
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To be fair, from X's words it seems like she figured out the way to enter the Light willy nilly.
“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest
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Imagine if the way to the Good End of this quest is just voting to repeat this and chill with Carmen offscreen until X has figured out the philosophy needed to make things work out?
New distortion?
So much halping energy, normally I would praise this thought, as it is a good sentiment, but right now, with the little details of the doppel and the title really making me wonder about distortion, well….
If anyone stumbled upon that, how likely would they be to think we are killing her?
Please answer to a 0.000000000000000000000001% of precision, I think we'll need it to see the difference from 100%.
Perspective magic, isn't it?
Of course, the witch normally don't have to move *normally*.
Nobody driving the wheel.
You were fighting someone that was unconscious.
Because we are not the monster, and you have already been tricked.
I will take that as absolute confirmation that NT just wanted to be a good girl and failed a little, and that we should go see her to have a chat.
You can't stop me.
X, listen to your mother.
I am 1000% with Carmen's plan now.
[x] Force Connection: Twilight
Full throttle!
Having less time to choose is a good thing as far as I'm concerned, forces X to think instead of procrastinate.
I'm not sure we can settle The Adult before our power boost wears off, completely taking us off the board temporarily (or permanently, if the Adult takes advantage) in the process?
None of our groups have reached their objectives as we know from the interludes so far too
[o] Force Connection: Twilight
This is very much a gamble on duration above all else. If you think it'll last long enough to resolve the current situation, it's... Probably fine, but no real way to know for sure unless we pick it. Long term, well, once a recovery is made, it was very much a case of trade time for power. Time in a way Homura probably cannot provide or alter. I'm personally willing to gamble on the sheer power here being enough to make it work.
[] Force Connection: [CENSORED]
Where as this gambles on how well people who incidentally witness this can handle the... revelation? monstrosity? undescribable? I don't know how to put it, but it's the least appealing of the options to me.
[] Force Connection: The Library
Forcing a link with the library in this way is... well, the upsides is we'd probably have access to the library's resources at large, with the downside being this is a forced link with Angela, who may or may not be able to handle all that a forced link with DoSaM entails. This is personally the second least appealing option to me.
[] Force Connection: Paradise Lost
And here is the option with at least on paper the least immediate consequences. With the side effect of probably raising everyone's light levels pretty harshly. Still, how that plays out is a relative unknown, though that is very much future X's problem(?) if this is chosen.
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Been a while since I made a post that wasn't just flat voting for a plan.
Edit: Well since someone decided to make a plan involving it.
[X] Plan: Twilight Family Time (Mom Edition)
This is very much a gamble on duration above all else. If you think it'll last long enough to resolve the current situation, it's... Probably fine, but no real way to know for sure unless we pick it. Long term, well, once a recovery is made, it was very much a case of trade time for power. Time in a way Homura probably cannot provide or alter. I'm personally willing to gamble on the sheer power here being enough to make it work.
[] Force Connection: [CENSORED]
Where as this gambles on how well people who incidentally witness this can handle the... revelation? monstrosity? undescribable? I don't know how to put it, but it's the least appealing of the options to me.
[] Force Connection: The Library
Forcing a link with the library in this way is... well, the upsides is we'd probably have access to the library's resources at large, with the downside being this is a forced link with Angela, who may or may not be able to handle all that a forced link with DoSaM entails. This is personally the second least appealing option to me.
[] Force Connection: Paradise Lost
And here is the option with at least on paper the least immediate consequences. With the side effect of probably raising everyone's light levels pretty harshly. Still, how that plays out is a relative unknown, though that is very much future X's problem(?) if this is chosen.
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Been a while since I made a post that wasn't just flat voting for a plan.
Edit: Well since someone decided to make a plan involving it.
[X] Plan: Twilight Family Time (Mom Edition)
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The Adult feared us when we were alone.
With apo bird behind us?
Goodbye adult.
This vote isn't set up in a *choose and only some can win against the Adult* way anyway, it's clearly a *choose what you kill the Adult with (no questions asked) and what consequences you are ready to accept for it*.
And as I said, Twilight may as well have no consequences as far as I'm concerned.
Plus, Twilight is our strongest out of all options, due to whitenight not allowing for a full power use, do you really think it won't win?
In fact, the option with the most problematic consequences is obviously whitenight. Every single one had tradeoffs, and this one seems to have none?
It's the one with the biggest, no doubts.
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Also, think long term, Twilight will stay, whitenight will not.
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[X] Plan: Twilight Family Time (Mom Edition)
-[X] Does she have any advice for us going forward regarding our current problem?
-[X] Is she aware of how Ayin is currently in the Light?
-[X] Hug her.
-[X] Invite her to come and talk with you and Angela if she could, next time you all have the time for it.
-[X] Force Connection: Twilight
-[X] Does she have any advice for us going forward regarding our current problem?
-[X] Is she aware of how Ayin is currently in the Light?
-[X] Hug her.
-[X] Invite her to come and talk with you and Angela if she could, next time you all have the time for it.
-[X] Force Connection: Twilight
questioningmeme
Just be yourself
- Location
- River of Light
I'm questioning that. Since I'm not seeing that very specific vote explanation anywhere yet.
@Lepidoptera How strong will these "helps" be?
Will Force Connection: Twilight straight up just summon or grant us the full unrestricted might of the Beast?
Or will we only obtain the Roland version of the E.G.O, where we get the "Hill out of the mountain" version of its support? Even our Mimicry E.G.O is absolutely no match for the ridiculous might of NT themselves when we fought it as DoSaM.
How long will this last too is the question.
Our main goal is to save Madoka here, I don't want to get into a situation where we'll be stretched thin either waiting for our allies to complete their perspective objectives, and have to finish the Adult in 1 minute or something because we won't have enough time before Twilight's power leaves us.
The Paradise Lost's choice is obvious. At the cost of Light increase, we win the battle against the Super Witch. But 0 downsides or upsides otherwise (outside of whatever plans Carmen and Ayin can enact in the future with the increase in Light exposure). It's the safest option and somehow the most straightforward too. (WN Surprised us yet again by how blunt he is)
As for it being a one-time thing, I doubt that.
X can likely force a connection anytime she wants, but just will have to pay for it, given how she said that it was a gamble to force the connection before Carmen spoke up. It's interacting with Carmen that's the thing which will be difficult to recreate.
It's specifically, [CENSORED] and Twilight are the two that will become permanent E.G.Os (I assume based on the vote for the former) instead of merely being a temporary buff.
It's not unlikely that we will be able to force a connection again should we require it. WN's connection would've probably been stronger had we interacted more.
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Vote Details
Lepidoptera
Mother of Monsters, Unverified Impuritas Civitatis
- Location
- Indeterminate Unknown
Right, I'm just gonna explain what all the options do in plain text. It feels weird not having done that already, but I was pretty sleep deprived by the time I got to it and it seemed like a good idea at the time.
- Twilight. Picking it up gives X access to the EGO weapon for the rest of the story, though pulling it out will put some strain on her whenever you do it. It'll give X enough juice to beat Winchester and then some, but she'll be stuck on a time limit and have to conserve energy for the rest of the Emerald City raid afterwards. Or at least until you can clear all the markers, because Homura's existence means taking a break in the middle of a battle is entirely possible. Taking Twilight also shaves a good year or so off of X's remaining time before transforming into an Abnormality.
- Censored. Also gives X an EGO weapon she can keep, but costs a few months of time instead of a year. Censored's EGO isn't technically strong enough to overwhelm Winchester, but since it's being controlled by a human who, tough as they are, is not the sort of person who can look at Censored and not panic, it'll still net you the win. Will probably leave some lasting psychological damage, but nothing that's completely impossible to fix considering you have Lobotomy. Assuming you can convince her to let you use it.
- The Library. Exactly what benefit it will give you is unknown but whatever it is will let you win the current fight. I don't do trap votes, just consequences. X leverages her emotional connection with Angela into a way of borrowing power from her. This will possibly have some long-term consequences for Angela, since Abnormalities get more eldritch horror-y as they get stronger and getting hooked directly to one would not be pleasant.
- Paradise Lost. The most self-explanatory choice. Obtain Paradise Lost for this fight and this fight only, and win because it's Paradise Lost. While this doesn't have any physical cost to X, dealing no penalty to her remaining time before turning into an Abnormality, it will notably increase the number of Distortions appearing worldwide. This will not do great things for X's mental health.
Rushing a connection is a power of DoSaM, and X can only access it right now because there's a big hole in her body. It's not something that can be done repeatedly or on command, not without serious consequences. Whatever option you pick here, if you want something from one of the other choices, you'll need to reach it the hard way.
Well, Lepi answered:
Whereas we keep Twilight.
I would feel far safer with the weapon we can actually keep, just saying.
Censored doesn't help for the Adult, I don't want to risks Angela, and there are more than enough distortions running around already.
Edit:
Having less time for our shell only has consequences if you don't want to break it, so Twilight's free for me.
Whereas we keep Twilight.
I would feel far safer with the weapon we can actually keep, just saying.
Censored doesn't help for the Adult, I don't want to risks Angela, and there are more than enough distortions running around already.
Edit:
Having less time for our shell only has consequences if you don't want to break it, so Twilight's free for me.
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questioningmeme
Just be yourself
- Location
- River of Light
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They are both essentially inevitable scenarios. We probably won't need to take years before X can figure out a way to circumvent if not come to her own realization for the time limit thing. And it's not too unlikely that we'll need to pull out DoSaM again which will likely max the light level out.
It's just a question of how good it will be for the current battle.
I suppose Twilight it is then. There don't seem to be a lot of downsides outside of potentially making her slightly more depressed (but the good kind somehow). And we gain one of the Pillars' E.G.O without having to fight them.
PLUS, Twilight's E.G.O removes the possibility of the BIRD UP popping into existence at all.
And it's likely that X will have to take a break after this in order to wait for the kids to complete their ordeals anyhow.
[X] Plan: Twilight Family Time (Mom Edition)
The real important thing is whether Carmom gives us any info on how we should go about with our condition (and the hug of course).
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I feel up myself a bit embarrassed with that hugs(and dialoge with Angela) , but choosing Twilight can gave us bad end if:
1) we louse our shelf and can't keep our personality
2) our team won't broke markers
3) when Adult attack us, Twilight will be uncharged
There is so many ways where we can lose; Sufficient Velocity, choice right thing!
[X] Plan: Twilight Family Time (Mom Edition)
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[X] Plan: Twilight Family Time (Mom Edition)
-1 is not changed by choosing paradise lost (and in fact, is easier with it, since it makes X depressed later on)
-The situation for 2 is worse with Paradise lost, as it won't stay, meaning we can't help with it, we can with Twilight.
-Lepi told that 3 wouldn't be a problem with Twilight, since we would have had time to recover thanks to Homura.
Paradise lost is objectively a worse choice.
questioningmeme
Just be yourself
- Location
- River of Light
Yeah. Paradise Lost is just objectively worst here.
It would've been more competitive if say it straight up just unlock it for a day or two. In which case the competition would've been fiercer.
Since in that case, it's a gigantic power boost that maybe will have bad consequences down the line but will give us a MASSIVE boon in the present.
But its only for 1 fight.
And it has to compete with permanent Twilight which is also one of the best combat E.G.O (literally second only to Paradise Lost).
It would've been more competitive if say it straight up just unlock it for a day or two. In which case the competition would've been fiercer.
Since in that case, it's a gigantic power boost that maybe will have bad consequences down the line but will give us a MASSIVE boon in the present.
But its only for 1 fight.
And it has to compete with permanent Twilight which is also one of the best combat E.G.O (literally second only to Paradise Lost).
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Offensively, Twilight is better.
Paradise Lost is very, very defensive, which tends to lead to the agent staying alive, so it is better in a way, but it has a worse attack.
questioningmeme
Just be yourself
- Location
- River of Light
It depends on the Abnormality really.
Twilight's insane offensive DPS is divided into 4 dmg type, while Paradise Lost deals consistent Pale dmg.
Twilight against Whitenight or the God Delusions can be detrimental for example (More so im WN case, I'm pretty sure it can just out DPS the Delusions healing).
Given that a lot of Abnormalities have 0 defense against pale dmg, it's still good most of the time.
Versatility wise, PL also have like basically infinite range, and if we have the Library's extra abilities, we would be able to summon the immortal apostles too.
Thats prettyyy freaking insane. It'd just be an upgrade to all our current E.G.Os, in healing, offensive, defensive, and versatility.
In comparison Twilight is mainly all Offensive + Extra Debuffs on top.
Frozen Flame
Fragment of the Devourer
- Location
- The Darkness Beyond Time
[X] Plan: Twilight Family Time (Mom Edition)
This has the best balance of effectiveness and long-term use. Yeah, we're going to have to be tactical about it, but the other options either don't help us with issues beyond winning this fight or have serious long-term consequences. More crunch time beats out crippling X or her allies.
This has the best balance of effectiveness and long-term use. Yeah, we're going to have to be tactical about it, but the other options either don't help us with issues beyond winning this fight or have serious long-term consequences. More crunch time beats out crippling X or her allies.
[X] Force Connection: Twilight
So glad I don't have to choose between actually weighing the consequences, and picking the coolest and most story-appropriate option, because in this case they're one and the same. Paradise Lost also would have been fine.
I'll note that the Library is a pretty weird option to have here, considering the speech X just made about not inconveniencing people and such.
So glad I don't have to choose between actually weighing the consequences, and picking the coolest and most story-appropriate option, because in this case they're one and the same. Paradise Lost also would have been fine.
I'll note that the Library is a pretty weird option to have here, considering the speech X just made about not inconveniencing people and such.
Lepidoptera
Mother of Monsters, Unverified Impuritas Civitatis
- Location
- Indeterminate Unknown
X will be safe, as "bug arm" is too generic a description to possibly claim copyright on. This version is entirely legally distinct, being a separate entity attached to the body rather than an inherent modification. Hermann, however, will not be escaping the intellectual property theft accusations.