Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]

So the way I see it our main benefits from this Arc were:
0) Plenty of theories we have absolutely no way to confirm or deny LOL
1) A new Power Stunt, bonus Dreamwalking progress, and probably Integrity/Mind Control training?
2) Getting to know Utau's abilities (and making progress on Utau's mental health), and also have Hikaru learn he needs to move faster :V
3) Having Midori and Amu actually understand how Ami works (and having Midori now looped in on Manticore/Easter's everything), and pulling Naoto on-screen to be a relevant factor in the background moving forwards.
4) Information about Manticore (with the Mission Statement, we can start discreetly trying to track down Manticore's personnel by asking people about why they are doing research and what they are doing research on, and ask Lulu to help us keep an eye on whether Manticore has reached out to JPs)
5) Having Kana's situation be resolved in an alternate manner than expected by the QM. (We didn't snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory, right?)

Seems like quite a lot moving forward, although most of the stuff mentioned here is not going to impact anything mechanical, and needs to be taken advantage of to be particularly helpful.

Expected timespan: Two months.
-snip existing options so far-
What happened to Hikawa and the one month buffer before next major event you quoted to us last time?

Regarding Nagihiko, I want to focus on him, but doing it with 0 Socialise doesn't seem like a good idea (that, and a High Complexity Arc right after this seems a bit ???). Downtime with Tadase also sounds nice (Kukai? HIbiki? Who?)

As mentioned before, I'd rather have Saaya done before Makoto because we need the balanced viewpoint (Makoto's idea can go wrong in so many ways it's not even funny, especially given the weakened Publicity Bane - I'd rate it as somewhere between Moderate and High Severity, especially if we put our foot in our mouth.

Funnily enough, I'd rather not do Stargazing now because of its Extreme Impact - if it's Exaltation I'd rather grind up more Ability dots first anyway (I still think Exaltation synergises even better with Utau's Psionic toolset, an Performance/Presence/Investigation Excellency is excellent since her skills all point in roughly the same direction) to insta-boost up stuff that takes longer to train.

Shirogane's interview... I'm a bit meh on this if I were honest here, but I would like to take the opportunity to really drag the Investigation Team into our orbit and throw them in Manticore or Hikawa's direction (they should be able to handle it)?

As far as the infodump options are concerned, I think we should do Tsukasa's one next with Kana present, and then pivot into Ami's Ethic Talks before going for JPs or Lulu - Tsukasa is firmly an ally here, and I don't think we need Socialise 1 for this. (Lulu doesn't need Socialise either, but I want advice first before moving into that so).

JPs checkup would also fall after the Tsukasa talk to touch bases, but exact details and order should probably wait for the Arc end to prioritise accordingly.

Lastly, about Lulu asking Hotsuin many pointed questions, is that something that should be done on-screen? :V



About other stuff I'd like to see... I can't think of anything else right now, because the only long term plot arc we have now is Manticore & Scavengers; most of the others can be summarised as "handle the fallout of the last plot arc"? (We don't have any way to poke Hikawa, and even if we could I'm not sure Amu and co should be the ones doing that yet)

Although since this list of events is intended to eat 2 months of our clock, and Amu apparently works better when she keeps the initiative...
Would Amu or someone with Teleportation/Astral Projection capability joining the QRT for Rift Events be on the table here?
 
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Although since this list of events is intended to eat 2 months of our clock, and Amu apparently works better when she keeps the initiative...
Would Amu or someone with Teleportation/Astral Projection capability joining the QRT for Rift Events be on the table here?
Whose QRT?

She would apparently already be on Tsukasa's, if the man hadn't wanted to give her a year off "student council duties" for some downtime (and I have a guess this might be one of the things the man wants to chat with Amu about in his event).

JP's is a full-time job, I can only imagine Lulu's face if we ask for help convincing Hotsuin to join and the difficulty it would take to convince him, mostly because Lulu would have huge objections due to being an obvious health hazard.

I suspect Makoto plans to set up her own and is about to try recruiting Amu.

.....None of these "response teams" are likely to actually be "quick" when it comes to rifts, due to the fact that demons/rifts aren't precoggable. JP's wouldn't even have known about the one at Amu's school without Amu phoning Lulu about it.
As mentioned before, I'd rather have Saaya done before Makoto because we need the balanced viewpoint (Makoto's idea can go wrong in so many ways it's not even funny, especially given the weakened Publicity Bane - I'd rate it as somewhere between Moderate and High Severity, especially if we put our foot in our mouth.
Would it actually work that way? I'm not entirely sure that the talk with Saaya and the one with Makoto are going to be much related to each other.

Saaya could be there when talking with Makoto anyway, regardless of whether or not we choose to talk to Saaya first (if she is well enough to be attending school).... and if we talk to Saaya before talking to Makoto, we won't know anything about what Makoto has planned and won't be able to discuss it with Saaya anyway.

My current guess is that the Saaya event is "high impact" because if we pick it, our relationship with her will improve enough that we will be able to call her as a party member in the upcoming arc.

Makoto is the girl with high-speed regeneration who is liable to burst her own arm when fighting, so my guess is that if the Makoto event is "medium severity" because if we don't babysit her, Makoto is going to do something stupid using her powers that ends up with her in hospital (again), or at least walking around with physical injuries for a bit.
Funnily enough, I'd rather not do Stargazing now because of its Extreme Impact - if it's Exaltation I'd rather grind up more Ability dots first anyway (I still think Exaltation synergises even better with Utau's Psionic toolset, an Performance/Presence/Investigation Excellency is excellent since her skills all point in roughly the same direction) to insta-boost up stuff that takes longer to train.
The QM confirmed it's not actual Exaltation, but something that might give us a clue on who the eventually chosen Exalt or compatible candidates may be. Or if someone else is already an Exalt, who that person may be.

If we pick it, this will be the first time Hibiki Kuze will show up in the quest - meaning if we don't, Amu may not have a chance to run into him again for a while. Impact being "extreme" means he's likely a key character to the plot, who knows in what way. I suspect he's the Sidereal Exalt but what that means for his role in upcoming events is uncertain.
As far as the infodump options are concerned, I think we should do Tsukasa's one next with Kana present, and then pivot into Ami's Ethic Talks before going for JPs or Lulu - Tsukasa is firmly an ally here, and I don't think we need Socialise 1 for this. (Lulu doesn't need Socialise either, but I want advice first before moving into that so).
Kana isn't listed as an available actor for that event, the actors are just Amu and Midori, might not really be possible to take her along. The events Kana are currently listed as an actor for are her own event, Stargazing and JP's Checkup. Possibly anything involving the other Scavengers too.

Do we even get to choose the time when these events happen? I didn't get the impression that was something we could decide.
 
Kana isn't listed as an available actor for that event, the actors are just Amu and Midori, might not really be possible to take her along.
Fair point about the rest, but I am aware of this: I think Kana (and Scavengers by extension) are stakeholders here considering Tsukasa's motives and Manticore are tenuously linked (as mentioned, if Tsukasa didn't do his thing Hikaru would likely have blown up and given Manticore a lot more justification), and there is a non-zero probability Tsukasa knew about Manticore at the beginning due to Precog.

.....None of these "response teams" are likely to actually be "quick" when it comes to rifts, due to the fact that demons/rifts aren't precoggable.
I meant more physically bringing the professionals there faster once notification has been received, but to be fair this would likely require Teleportation 3 minimum (Clairvoyance dots requirement can probably be bypassed by TK and GPS system with lat/long mixtures allowing for teleportation far, far above any solid objects and levitation downwards).

Makoto event is "medium severity" because if we don't babysit her, Makoto is going to do something stupid using her powers that ends up with her in hospital (again), or at least walking around with physical injuries for a bit.
I'm far more worried about the Publicity Bane here - we bought some leeway based off the introduction to Psionics that the world got, but I'm not sure if Makoto and co have enough awareness or restraint to not accidentally consume all of it or inadvertently become minor celebrities themselves?
 
I'm far more worried about the Publicity Bane here - we bought some leeway based off the introduction to Psionics that the world got, but I'm not sure if Makoto and co have enough awareness or restraint to not accidentally consume all of it or inadvertently become minor celebrities themselves?
That's actually another reason for Amu to babysit her. Makoto is probably going to go ahead with her plan with or without Amu, if she is going to do something stupid that could blow up all over the news, it will probably be worse leaving her alone than if Amu was there to limit the damage.

For the record, I am keen on visiting Saaya myself because, lest anyone forget, that girl is still wearing our Humpty Lock. If we can't immediately get it back from her, I at least want it a phone call away and capable of walking into our party when we need it.
 
it will probably be worse leaving her alone than if Amu was there to limit the damage.
Yeah, but I don't want Amu participating to, um, empower them to have greater successes but also greater potential failures by enabling them to actually pull off (not) Good Ideas for a while if you know what I mean?
(This is why I want to talk to Saaya about "wait why is your reaction to Psionics so bad" and hopefully get Socialise 1 first - to make sure Amu understands the potential ways this can blow up IC and not act as a enabler by accident, and be able to convey it properly to Makoto and co.
For example, I do think the Student Councils have their own reasons for not knowing what happened, presumably being slightly more mature than the average student, and it's not like they don't have capabilities since they all have Charas iirc)

that girl is still wearing our Humpty Lock
Probably not happening, because I'm reasonably sure it'd be IC for Amu to pass it to small/big Yui immediately for assistance if she gets it back from Saaya?
 
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Yeah, but I don't want Amu participating to, um, empower them to have greater successes but also greater potential failures by enabling them to actually pull off (not) Good Ideas for a while if you know what I mean?
We're controlling Amu, so if her plan was something that wasn't a good idea, we should get the opportunity to vote to stop it.

Since "Severity" is meant to be "how bad it is if Amu doesn't get involved", I think the whole point of Amu getting involved is to have a chance to prevent it from being that bad.
 
(This is why I want to talk to Saaya about "wait why is your reaction to Psionics so bad" and hopefully get Socialise 1 first - to make sure Amu understands the potential ways this can blow up IC and not act as a enabler by accident, and be able to convey it properly to Makoto and co.
Socialize 1 isn't going to be ready anywhere near soon enough for that, and Saaya probably won't be either.

Not quite, it's apparently "how bad it is if Amu gets involved, but then does nothing afterwards", because people do change their plans to account for Amu being involved for better or for worse if she is actually there?
That's very different from how I read it.
 
Socialize 1 isn't going to be ready anywhere near soon enough for that, and Saaya probably won't be either.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's very different from how I read it.
Severity is "How badly things might go if <actor> ignores the situation". Which is not the same thing as "how badly things will go if you don't vote for it"
Differentiating these two is hard, and the above is the only explanation I found that has a meaningful difference for that?
(Well, there is also "actually Amu will handle it anyway, but you will get no vote-inputs and just a brief summary if you don't vote for focus on this" I suppose)
 
Differentiating these two is hard, and the above is the only explanation I found that has a meaningful difference for that?
(Well, there is also "actually Amu will handle it anyway, but you will get no vote-inputs and just a brief summary if you don't vote for focus on this" I suppose)
My interpretation was that it was going to be: "Let's roll dice to decide" and leave it up to God to determine how bad it gets.
Socialize 1 isn't going to be ready anywhere near soon enough for that, and Saaya probably won't be either.
I can't believe I'm thinking this, but Saaya may actually be the solution if we need to talk down Makoto or somebody Makoto pisses off. Which going by the description and the Complexity being "High", might be the "current" student council at their new school.

If there's anybody in Amu's class with dots in Socialize, it's probably Saaya.

Makoto herself seems like a gorilla girl. All muscle, not so much patience for dealing with other people. Don't see her being able to muscle in the new school's student council without rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.

If it involves convincing other people, throwing Saaya at the problem might actually work.
 
My interpretation was that it was going to be: "Let's roll dice to decide" and leave it up to God to determine how bad it gets.
My interpretation is that high-Severity events would be bad if not dealt with, but that we'd be voting on where the wordcount goes, not what gets dealt with.

So for example, breathing would be high Severity. If the characters fail to handle that, they die. But we'd only need to vote for it if we the voters actually wanted to spend a whole chapter watching Amu breathe.
 
My interpretation is that high-Severity events would be bad if not dealt with, but that we'd be voting on where the wordcount goes, not what gets dealt with.
Not always the same thing though, if not devoting focus to it reliably had the same quality of outcome as devoting focus to it then we might as well be in Creative Writing lol. (Strictly from the Player Perspective that is, and obviously this does not account for some tasks being easier to do on autopilot than others)

And then there is the character IC not having enough time or focus to deal with everything to the same standards if there are enough things that are on fire (or IC bias)?

Under my current understanding "Ami wants to go fight Manticore physically for some reason" would be Severity High if we get involved and don't veto this out of the gate, but if we don't get involved would be Severity Low because it's not likely to get anywhere at all due to skillset mismatch
 
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Under my current understanding "Ami wants to go fight Manticore physically for some reason" would be Severity High if we get involved and don't veto this out of the gate, but if we don't get involved would be Severity Low because it's not likely to get anywhere at all due to skillset mismatch
Uh, Severity Low for MANTICORE maybe, but the "skill mismatch" is going to put Ami in the hospital. Or the morgue.

Would not call that "low severity" for Ami.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by Baughn on Apr 1, 2024 at 6:09 PM, finished with 137 posts and 5 votes.

  • [X] Plan Tricologe
    -[X] Amu:
    --[X] Make cake and chocolate milk, like we had with Kana the day we first met. Offer her some.
    --[X] Ask for her side of the story. Listen to it.
    --[X] Emphasize her self-worth, and the legitimacy of her feelings. (Not just the feelings she's suppressing, either.)
    --[X] Tell Kana that it isn't wrong to want to not to have to fight or hurt people or save them or even be a good person. Tell her it also isn't wrong wanting to fight, hurt and save people. It's fine for someone to want both at once.
    ---[X] Show Kana telepathically the fight you had at Nikaidou's lab long ago. Amu, as Amulet Heart with Ran, wanted nothing more than to brain Nikaidou with a heavy rod for kidnapping her Charas. But Su wanted to help him instead, to heal and save him despite his sins. Despite differing mindsets, neither parts of Amu were "wrong".
    --[X] Chara-change in turn with Ran and Su, displaying the proof that it is fine for someone to want to be 2 or even 3 or more different things at once: After all, you and Utau live it every day, and surely both of us examplify this being ok?
    --[X] Remind Kana you didn't give up on Utau, despite everything she did, and you won't give up on Kana either. So if Kana doesn't want to give up on her mother too despite everything, that's also fine. Whatever she decides, you'll help and be with her to the best of your ability.
    --[X] There may be a way to heal Yui, if she wants to try, but it will require Kana's willing help.
    ---[X] Show Kana how you retrieved your own fragments from the Road of Stars - Ran, Miki and Su - and offer to either lend her Dia's assistance or put her in touch with Tsukasa, who seems to have his own way of getting there, to try the same thing.
    --[X] In the meantime, we can try to help you take care of Yui after you teach us how, if you think you need some time off without having to be so worried about her?
    --[X] Let Naoto take the lead in the event of a fight
 
"skill mismatch" is going to put Ami in the hospital.
I was more saying "Ami isn't going to get anywhere without our help, if we somehow deciding giving help for said situation is a good idea", but maybe I gave a bad example:

- Shirogane asked for an interview.
(Complexity: Medium. Severity: None. Impact: Medium. Actor: Amu and/or Utau.)
Let's replace Shirogane with Hikaru here, and set the topic to "how to use Psionics safely" (well, the answer is get more Integrity instead of interviewing Psionics, but let's pretend otherwise for a moment).
If we don't grant the interview, it'd be Severity None because Hikaru won't want to use his powers without a assurance of safety. (Or Severity Medium, if Hikaru were the type to use his powers anyway - but he isn't)
If we grant the interview but botch the explanation, it could go up to Severity Medium, depending on how convincing we sound in the process?

Is this scenario based off a potential interpretation of what Baughn said clearer than my previous attempt?
 
We're in control of Amu, we can just don't vote for something we think is going to botch?
Yeah, but consider the below events - not sure we can fully avoid botching in here: First one is something I and Amu would like to do, but also am not sure how to approach, second one is due to lack of familiarity with Lulu's character + limited control over after the event?

- Nagihiko is up to something, and Amu would like to know what. Or maybe just to visit him and relax.
(Complexity: High. Severity: Low. Impact: Low. Actor: Amu.)
- What the heck is going on in Japan, Hotsuin?
- Inquiring Lulus would like to know.
 
I don't think the Nagihiko one IS botchable, Nagihiko is Amu's friend and has been for the past how many years now, since grade school. They've fought alongside each other as part of the Guardians. No matter how much of an ass Amu makes of herself, Nagihiko will probably give her the benefit of the doubt.

She could probably attack the guy out of nowhere and Nagihiko would be more worried about her mental health than angry.

Meanwhile, I'm not sure we will even get to control Lulu during that event. There may not be any voting attached it to, that one sounds to me like it will be like Lulu's "interlude" segment from chapter 1.5, mostly just info for the benefit of the questors. Amu might never even hear about what they talked to each other about.

I think Lulu is also probably going to do that even if we don't pick it, we just won't get to hear what she says to her cousin.
 
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>That Vote

What happened to K.I.S.S.? But this has a lot of failure points and assumes Kana will let us talk, at least there's the last line about Naoto taking the lead in case it turns into a fight.
 
It will, we already got confirmation that vote wouldn't avert combat, I think it was implied UMI would be necessary to do that.

Personally, I was fine just appealing to being able to save Yui, but that wasn't as popular as the idea of full-blown trying to convince Kana to accept her Shadow.

Hopefully, some of it at least weakens her resolve and makes it easier for Naoto to subdue her.
 
And no one used any of it despite the fact that being a Psionic Joker is Amu's entire thing.
I'm not comfortable using UMI for no good reason (yes, I may slippery slope myself in other situations, but not this time, not after we were recently reminded of such in-story)?
Also, given that fighting works perfectly fine given our present party, why bother with UMI?

As for the "will Kana even let us talk part" I was hoping that the dissonance between the current context and what we are doing would help with that, but if it doesn't then whatever.
I wonder what you thought were the failure points of this plan, in that light?

appealing to being able to save Yui
If Nero's/Quine's theory was correct this would be less than helpful, considering how Shadow fights are usually internally focused with external matters only serving as set-dressing?
 
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Being fair, blasting Heart Beams at people tends to come AFTER Amu has already been fighting them for a while. And also probably counts as combat.

So if we skipped the talk and went straight to Heart Beams.... we'd be going straight to combat anyway.
 
I'm not comfortable using UMI for no good reason (yes, I may slippery slope myself in other situations, but not this time, not after we were recently reminded of such in-story)?
I don't know how stopping a suicidal girl is not a good reason, but you do you I guess.
Also, given that fighting works perfectly fine given our present party, why bother with UMI?
Ah, you mean the part where two of them are completely exhausted and near-noncombatants in Persona terms. Ic ic.

Amu and Utau do magical girl things sure, but not in... not like, direct combat. They don't really fight, not in the way Nagehiko or that one Samurai boy can do.
Being fair, blasting Heart Beams at people tends to come AFTER Amu has already been fighting them for a while. And also probably counts as combat.

So if we skipped the talk and went straight to Heart Beams.... we'd be going straight to combat anyway.
Nah, UMI is just any psionic mind-fuckery tbh. Amu does it a lot, one noticeable time was getting people to attend Utau's performance in that small club after she was pried out of Easter's grasp.

Heart Beams are probably also closer to Anti-UMI too tbh, UMI would be what turns them into X-Eggs.
 
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