Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]

IMO that sounds like a Super Fine Control thing more than "become professional footbal player in terms of mobility after enough time", so I don't think so?
Practicing traditional athletic activities isn't going to give you the fine finger control for playing an instrument, either, but apparently we're putting instrument-playing under Athletics.

I'm expecting a QM ruling of "no", personally. It's just weird thinking through the implications of Athletics (Music).
 
Practicing traditional athletic activities isn't going to give you the fine finger control for playing an instrument, either, but apparently we're putting instrument-playing under Athletics.
I personally would've thought it would make more sense to be a specialization of Performance, rather than Athletics.... as that's what Performance tends to involve according to the rulebook (heck, one of the listed specializations is "Playing the Lyre").

I can only guess it was put under Athletics due to Miki not having any dots in Performance. As for why she doesn't, I have no clue, will need to check back and see what got said about it (if anything got mentioned at all).

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Ah yes, here is it:
The musical attack is Illusion. Illusion/Presence mostly. Performance is more concerned with stagecraft, not raw artistic skill; the latter falls more under, say, dexterity. Unless you're doing it all with psionics, in which case yeah.
I think the rationale was that Amu and Miki were doing everything that would normally come under Performance with Psionics, thus she doesn't actually have any skill in playing instruments, only "pretending" to play instruments and using Psionics to make the sound come out right.

And so she gets it under Athletics, as she has the muscle memory for it but not the cognitive expertise.

...Either that, or it means she does have the technical skills to play instruments, but completely freezes up in front of an audience and so can't actually do a live performance. Which is construed here as the basic requirement to have any dots in Performance.
 
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It's more the latter. The skill assignment is borderline, but reflects that while Miki can play instruments, she can't exactly… perform. On the other hand it'd likely get moved to Performance if she fixed that, so there's a question of which option is least confusing.

I've mentioned it before, but the character sheets are descriptive, not normative.

As for Utau's friends, I'd be making them up. After several years as a mostly normal girl I figured she'd have friends her own age, but the only ones seen in the manga are Amu and Kukai.
 
I wonder what we're going to do with Kana after this. If she comes out of this mentally intact, I don't want to leave her unsupervised, but most of the people we know can't safely watch over her. Naoto might have the capability, but she probably doesn't have the free time, and her friends probably don't have the free time either. Bringing Kana to JP's is a possibility, but it's one she's likely to resist.

If she doesn't come out of this mentally intact, we're taking her straight to JP's. Might need to set up a way to immediately put her in contact with us when she wakes up, in that case, so she doesn't panic and start trying to kill the doctors.


Everyone's going to need so many hugs after this. Like, Amu falls asleep hugging Ami, and then Miki and Inner Ami pull her out of whatever nightmare she's having and hug her too. Then they all go find Utau and pull her out of her nightmare.

Maybe we should invite Utau to come over for the night.
 
Bringing Kana to JP's is a possibility, but it's one she's likely to resist.
If it comes down to that, it is at least possible to persuade Kana to go to JPs for a checkup.

In the short term we'd probably ask Midori if she and Tsumugu was willing to allow Kana to crash at her house and not leave for a while. (But then reporters, unless Illusion works?)

Maybe we should invite Utau to come over for the night.
I think this has been mentioned in one of the previous chapters already, although I'm not sure if any of them remember at this point
 
I think this has been mentioned in one of the previous chapters already, although I'm not sure if any of them remember at this point
Midori invited her over, yeah. She judged that after everything which had already happened, giving her daughter some emotional support—and Utau, for that matter—was far more important than any concerns she might have about leaving them together, or about the current discombobulated state of the Hinamori household.

Since Kana's fate came up... one thing you may not recall (as it hasn't yet been mentioned in-story) is that Naoto is a licensed detective. She's already overheard Kana('s shadow) confess to killing people. This isn't the same Naoto as from the start of Persona 4, and won't instantly react by attempting to throw her in jail or anything, but she's going to want a response.

The default outcome from this, with the other Scavengers still MIA, is probably for Kana to end up boarding with the Hinamori family, with Amu's parents (or, realistically, Amu) guaranteeing her good behaviour. It'll be a tight fit, but Ami has some ideas.
 
but Ami has some ideas.
Dig up as much space as you need using Illusion 3 and pretending the piping beneath the house still works anyway?
(It probably works, but this phrase has so much Good Idea Energy lol)

This isn't the same Naoto as from the start of Persona 4, and won't instantly react by attempting to throw her in jail or anything, but she's going to want a response.
Fair enough, although a response that is digging into Manticore for us would be nice too (I think she can handle herself, given her being a max level Persona user so it should be a net positive?)

It's also good, in that trying to toss Kana in jail has a quantum 50/50 of her deciding to break out and then getting stuck in JPs or Manticore, and/or being stuck in a medical coma so...
 
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The default outcome from this, with the other Scavengers still MIA, is probably for Kana to end up boarding with the Hinamori family, with Amu's parents (or, realistically, Amu) guaranteeing her good behaviour. It'll be a tight fit, but Ami has some ideas.
I don't feel comfortable leaving Kana around Amu's family, especially if she's really about to respond to kindness and cake with violence.
 
especially if she's really about to respond to kindness and cake with violence.
Blame the Shadow UMI situation for that, not Kana; and even pragmatically speaking Kana isn't about to harm her only ally indirectly and drive her away in the process after this situation is resolved, or give Naoto a reason to take Kana down anyway?

More likely that Kana would refuse to board with them waaaay before that sort of thing might happen, and then try to escape Naoto nonlethally (she already knows what Naoto can do then)
 
Blame the Shadow UMI situation for that, not Kana; and even pragmatically speaking Kana isn't about to harm her only ally indirectly and drive her away in the process after this situation is resolved, or give Naoto a reason to take Kana down anyway?

More likely that Kana would refuse to board with them waaaay before that sort of thing might happen, and then try to escape Naoto nonlethally (she already knows what Naoto can do then)
We don't know what set Kana off. I don't think there's any indication her shadow UMI'd her, but the fog probably hasn't been good for her rationality.

In any case, Kana's mental stability is seriously questionable, much more so than she had shown before today. I don't trust her to make pragmatic or rational decisions. Inviting her to stay at Amu's house is a big risk, especially the same day she tried to attack Amu, if she does that.

I also question whether Midori and Tsumugu would be willing to accept the risks involved. Midori already had serious reservations about Kana:

Amu gave her a small nod and an uncertain sort of smile—it wasn't very convincing, but Midori could tell the girl was grateful. She kept a careful lid on her emotions. None of what she'd told her daughter was false. She would be civil with Kana until the girl gave her a reason not to be. After that? Well, the jury was out, but she didn't want Amu worrying about it.
If Kana attacks Amu, that's going to significantly tip the scales.
 
Personally I think Kana will be more mentally stable after this rather then less (excluding external factors, which may remain significant to be fair).

As for this, it depends on what Naoto, the Persona/Shadow expert we have access to, says to Midori about this?
I don't know what's going to happen in the upcoming scene. But yesterday, Amu could have said "Kana would never hurt me!" and meant it. If Kana attacks her, that'll be downgraded to "Okay, Kana tried to stab me today, but she wouldn't do it again! I, uh, I think."

She's going to have to decide if that's enough to risk her parents' lives on. Her parents are going to have to decide if that's enough to risk their kids' lives on. I don't see her parents being satisfied, at least.
 
The default outcome from this, with the other Scavengers still MIA, is probably for Kana to end up boarding with the Hinamori family, with Amu's parents (or, realistically, Amu) guaranteeing her good behaviour. It'll be a tight fit, but Ami has some ideas.
She's going to have to decide if that's enough to risk her parents' lives on. Her parents are going to have to decide if that's enough to risk their kids' lives on. I don't see her parents being satisfied, at least.
Doubt Amu will agree to abandon Kana, even if Kana tries to mind crush her.

If her parents don't agree that the best way to keep an eye on her is to have her boarding with them, Amu will probably at least insist on visiting her every other day. With the fog gone, the Scavengers' house is a perfectly habitable residence - and it is possible that Naomi and co. aren't permanently gone, just got tied up for longer than they thought they'd would be.

In fact, it depends a lot on what we get told happened to other Scavengers.

If the answer is "no idea", Kana herself will probably want to stay at the house just in case Naomi comes back or manages to send a message back to her. Since if the other Scavengers returned to find Kana gone, chances are Naomi would assume she got kidnapped or, even worse, betrayed them.

Since the upcoming event options indicate Kana would need some heavy persuasion to even have a medical checkup at JP's, trying to get her to submit herself to their custody does not seem like a practical option. Naoto might offer to safeguard her, now she knows that Kana is on the run, but the chances of Kana taking up that offer from a stranger she doesn't know and can't read the mind of is likely about the same as her wanting to go to JP's.

Alternatively, Utau might offer to house her. That may have better chances of being accepted by Kana than with JP's/Naoto, but Utau would need to convince her that the adults there at her place really have turned over a new leaf and aren't like how they used to be anymore.

I give it 50-50 odds on that.
 
Doubt Amu will agree to abandon Kana, even if Kana tries to mind crush her.

If her parents don't agree that the best way to keep an eye on her is to have her boarding with them, Amu will probably at least insist on visiting her every other day. With the fog gone, the Scavengers' house is a perfectly habitable residence - and it is possible that Naomi and co. aren't permanently gone, just got tied up for longer than they thought they'd would be.

In fact, it depends a lot on what we get told happened to other Scavengers.

If the answer is "no idea", Kana herself will probably want to stay at the house just in case Naomi comes back or manages to send a message back to her. Since if the other Scavengers returned to find Kana gone, chances are Naomi would assume she got kidnapped or, even worse, betrayed them.

Since the upcoming event options indicate Kana would need some heavy persuasion to even have a medical checkup at JP's, trying to get her to submit herself to their custody does not seem like a practical option. Naoto might offer to safeguard her, now she knows that Kana is on the run, but the chances of Kana taking up that offer from a stranger she doesn't know and can't read the mind of is likely about the same as her wanting to go to JP's.

Alternatively, Utau might offer to house her. That may have better chances of being accepted by Kana than with JP's/Naoto, but Utau would need to convince her that the adults there at her place really have turned over a new leaf and aren't like how they used to be anymore.

I give it 50-50 odds on that.
I don't think Naoto is going to be satisfied just leaving the confessed murderer alone in that house.

Anyway, for all we know, Kana might not attack at all. We've been told to expect a fight, but it might be us against a flipped-out Shadow Kana with Regular Kana crying in the corner or something. We'll have to see what happens when the update goes up.
 
I don't think Naoto is going to be satisfied just leaving the confessed murderer alone in that house.
She won't be satisfied, but Naoto is also a rational individual and won't dismiss the obvious problems with all the other solutions either.

As someone with powers on the run from the government, Kana's living options are highly limited. Whoever decides to harbor her will expose themselves to risk in multiple forms, which makes the idea of her continuing to hunker down in the Scavengers' house on her own potentially the least bad of the available options for everyone other than Kana. Especially if the other Scavengers have any chance of trying to contact her.

Just imagine if Naoto brought her home and then Naomi came back, found Kana gone and tracked her down to Naoto's house and realizes Naoto is a detective who sometimes works with the police.
 
She won't be satisfied, but Naoto is also a rational individual and won't dismiss the obvious problems with all the other solutions either.

As someone with powers on the run from the government, Kana's living options are highly limited. Whoever decides to harbor her will expose themselves to risk in multiple forms, which makes the idea of her continuing to hunker down in the Scavengers' house on her own potentially the least bad of the available options for everyone other than Kana. Especially if the other Scavengers have any chance of trying to contact her.

Just imagine if Naoto brought her home and then Naomi came back, found Kana gone and tracked her down to Naoto's house and realizes Naoto is a detective who sometimes works with the police.
I think Naoto is going to want to prevent Naomi from finding Kana alone, since Naomi is likely to vanish with Kana if that happens. Then Kana is back to her only social group being the Scavengers, putting her at risk of backsliding, endangering herself and others. Naoto does not want Naomi taking Kana on missions again.

More likely, Naoto would prefer to get Kana out of that house, and leave a note in case other Scavengers show up.
 
Naoto would prefer to get Kana out of that house, and leave a note in case other Scavengers show up.
If so, her only realistic option in the current timeframe is Amu's house unless she wants to knock out Kana and treat her like a lost kitten (not infeasible, given their relative strengths but still), and so we've circled back to the start of the discussion?
 
I think Naoto is going to want to prevent Naomi from finding Kana alone, since Naomi is likely to vanish with Kana if that happens. Then Kana is back to her only social group being the Scavengers, putting her at risk of backsliding, endangering herself and others. Naoto does not want Naomi taking Kana on missions again.

More likely, Naoto would prefer to get Kana out of that house, and leave a note in case other Scavengers show up.
Then again, what Naoto wants is secondary to what Kana herself wants.

And we're only going to have a good idea of what that is after she resolves this dilemma with her Shadow. The Shadow doesn't want to be around the Scavengers, she wants to go back to her mother. Her non-Shadow self almost certainly has a different opinion. When/if they reconcile, only then will we get a clearer picture of what Kana wants more.

And that could end up being to stay with the Scavengers to try to help with their many problems, which could include moving safehouses with Naomi and the others (if that ends up being something Naomi decides to do).

I feel like Naoto would probably want to help all of the Scavengers if she could, Naomi included, but there's only so much one detective can do. Hikaru and Easter would unironically have more to offer with the resources at their disposal. Whether an offer from him would be received better than one from Naoto is a good question.

I actually legitimately think he stands a good chance. Prior comments by the Scavengers seem to indicate they don't think of Easter as much of a threat - and Hikaru being a little kid makes him seem like someone who could easily be taken advantage of.
 
and Hikaru being a little kid makes him seem like someone who could easily be taken advantage of.
That's... not wrong, you know. Just because he's Hotsuin Lite doesn't make him less of a child. Having a heavily lopsided upbringing makes it more likely they'll hit one of his sharp edges, which might be bad for everyone involved, but I would not recommend leaving Hikaru as their point of contact, of all people.
 
Yeah, but the thing is, Hikaru sorta comes as a package deal with Ami and Utau at the minimum because THEY won't leave him alone with the gang of teenage serial killers who want to take advantage of him.
 
Yeah, but the thing is, Hikaru sorta comes as a package deal with Ami and Utau at the minimum because THEY won't leave him alone with the gang of teenage serial killers who want to take advantage of him.
Sure, and Amu as well. My point is Utau would handle this by acting as a go-between... and then Hikaru's grandfather would probably butt in. It'd be a whole Thing.

Hikaru is trying to be better about not mind-controlling everyone.
 
If so, her only realistic option in the current timeframe is Amu's house unless she wants to knock out Kana and treat her like a lost kitten (not infeasible, given their relative strengths but still), and so we've circled back to the start of the discussion?
JP's is still an option. How palatable that option is to various parties depends on just how the upcoming confrontation goes.

Then again, what Naoto wants is secondary to what Kana herself wants.

And we're only going to have a good idea of what that is after she resolves this dilemma with her Shadow. The Shadow doesn't want to be around the Scavengers, she wants to go back to her mother. Her non-Shadow self almost certainly has a different opinion. When/if they reconcile, only then will we get a clearer picture of what Kana wants more.

And that could end up being to stay with the Scavengers to try to help with their many problems, which could include moving safehouses with Naomi and the others (if that ends up being something Naomi decides to do).

I feel like Naoto would probably want to help all of the Scavengers if she could, Naomi included, but there's only so much one detective can do. Hikaru and Easter would unironically have more to offer with the resources at their disposal. Whether an offer from him would be received better than one from Naoto is a good question.

I actually legitimately think he stands a good chance. Prior comments by the Scavengers seem to indicate they don't think of Easter as much of a threat - and Hikaru being a little kid makes him seem like someone who could easily be taken advantage of.
Naoto has the power here. If Naoto decides that leaving Kana alone carries too high a risk of her going back to murdering people, she can take Kana to JP's, whether Kana likes it or not.
 
@Baughn While this is understandably partially moot until the other Scavengers are recovered, does Kana (past) or Kana (Shadow, present) think the Scavenger's goal is revenge/eradication of threat rather than just safety?
 
Sure, and Amu as well. My point is Utau would handle this by acting as a go-between... and then Hikaru's grandfather would probably butt in. It'd be a whole Thing.
JP's is still an option. How palatable that option is to various parties depends on just how the upcoming confrontation goes.
Gotta point out that bringing in JP's would be an even bigger thing than a still mostly-informal situation involving Hikaru, Kazuomi and Utau.

Whether we want to make it a Thing is another story entirely - but if we did, the Easter option is the easier way to do it, as the Scavengers would probably like the idea of trying to pump Hikaru for candy far more than the kind of power imbalance they'd be subject to relying on JP's. Utau is also a girl around their age and therefore looks far more bullyable (in theory) than.... well.... Hotsuin.
Naoto has the power here. If Naoto decides that leaving Kana alone carries too high a risk of her going back to murdering people, she can take Kana to JP's, whether Kana likes it or not.
If Naoto tried to do that, I get the feeling Amu would be the first to help her run away.
100% yes. Can't really blame them.
Looked like Kana herself also joined in on that when she crushed that man's brain in the memory Amu saw so.... seems she shares the same sentiment, to an extent.
 
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