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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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uju32 said:
Missed that.
I want it, but I dont think we can afford all 3 dots yet.
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Why not? It gives Lash great specialization, and really specializes her. And costs 7 XP over what she gets, so that's not too expensive, I feel.

Ok, I'll throw in my hat for now, with possible modifications later.

[X] Plan Feeding and Healing
-[X] Molly, 41 XP
--[X] Splintered Gale Incarnation, 20 XP
--[X] Alchemy 4, 6 XP
--[X] Maggot Mana Plague, 8 XP
--[X] Awareness 2, 5 XP
--[X] Alertness 2, 2 XP
-[X] Lydia, 15 XP + 12 XP = 27 XP
--[X] Warding of Divine Ancestry, 15 XP
--[X] Companions of the Hunter, 12 XP
-[X] Tiffany, 15 XP + 7 XP = 22 XP
--[X] Lore of Awakening 3 dots, 22 XP

The reasoning is described above. The synergies summarized are:

Splintered Gale Incarnation + Alchemy 4 = clones in our Sactuary grinding stats that we don't normally get
Maggot Mana Plague + Alchemy 4 = solving issues with whampire minions, setting up mass recruitment of young whampires, including in Las Vegas. Possibly solving issues with half rhampires too, but that's arguable.
Alchemy 4 + Warding of Divine Ancestry = shaping defense + armor for Lydia with charm boosting properties to craft next turn

The idea is:
Fully spec Tiffany into a healer
Spec Lydia into a summoner
Give Molly options and possibly solve some of AP hell.
 
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uju32 said:
We already voted for a Hell of five billion people with superhuman soldiers wearing power armor.
It doesnt make a qualitative power difference.

Fomor power levels are a cooperative experience with the QM.
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Used for different thing, as can clearly be seen by how you're using it instead of just recruiting form our hell.


uju32 said:
Burner phone works fine in Chicago, precisely because we've been moving people into the place.
Six months ago, it would have been a bad idea. In 9 months, Id be comfortable for normal day to day work.
Short of heavy hitters showing up, and thats basically Plot.
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We're across town and they get jumped away from water. If it takes us a half hour to show up that's still too slow.


uju32 said:
All poisons are liquid poisons.
They have to dissolve to have any effect on your biology.
Magic is fair, but fomor have access to Gifts to mitigate.
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That is bullshit; the charm specifically calls out liquid poisons as a distinct category where no other exalt's anti-poison charm does. A rag of chloroform isn't covered.




uju32 said:
I've been hit with an accelerating car as an adult. Hit and run at sub-50 mph; the driver was accelerating out of a restaurant parking lot at night. I walked away from it without a scratch. One of my siblings has done much the same thing, though they were a kid at the time. Neither of us are 5-dot badasses in anything, we just happened to fall properly.
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Presumably they weren't aiming to hurt you, doing things like starting to break when they noticed what was going to happen.


uju32 said:
I dont agree with that argument. Not in a world where Abyssals are allowed to make custom Risen for 5 Essence, and Solars get to make Mages. And the assortment of fomor breeds I pointed out makes it clear that fomor are supposed to do everything from battle to seduction; the swiss-army knives of minions.

And yes, fomarchs and ferectoi ARE supposed to be able to 1v1 at least young werewolves. Thats the design intent.
Werewolves just happen to fight in packs, unlike fomarchs and ferectoi.
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As was pointed out, doesn't the fact that everyone else gets to do it explicitly and we don't tell you something? Fomarchs being able to do that is irrelevant because we're not supposed to be making them.


uju32 said:
My primary thinking at the moment is to have one in stasis in Sanctuary, a second active in Sanctuary as Molly's regent, and 1-2 in Chicago.

Because fomor get access to werewolf Gifts, which alleviates my concerns about the information security vulnerabilities of putting a Molly clone out there. Couple that with learning Path Sorcery Fortune 1: Death Curse, and handling a Molly clone becomes the equivalent of juggling a live grenade.
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Didn't work out for Orpheus, and again I think you're taking that the wrong way. Smuggling werewolf gifts into an exalt isn't really what any of this is for, and the book goes to great lengths to make that impossible for a reason.


uju32 said:
do not agree.
You dont spend 4 dots and 3m per person for the same; if that was all intended, it would just use the Spawning Pit Infliction charm, which mass produces randos for free.
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That's chump change essence wise for an infernal with prep time, and the benefit is mass producing trash. Kidnap or indoctrinate random people, then stick them with a few useful powers and a couple awful flaws that immediately kick in if they betray you, presuming you've got the other relevant charm.
 
fictionfan said:
No much point in getting Lydia Companions of the Hunter if you aren't also getting Molly IDU. How many dogs and crows do you expect her to train?
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She already has one familiar, and Carraige of the Ankou is basically super-suited for her to get another in a form of warhorse.

Hmm, as an alternative, drop MMP and 2nd dots of alertness and awareness, which frees up 12 dots. Use those to get Inner Devils. That's an option, yes.
 
I just ask you to find somewhere 4 points to redeem nightmares... Yes, this is not the optimal distribution of experience, but I doubt that otherwise there will be a chance to get rid of them. Plus I think this arc should show Molly's full growth including things like that.
 
Yog said:
Why? Who are you planning to use it on next turn? MMP + Alchemy are a decent substitute, as we get to create whampire-variants from potential whampires without murder being involved. We try this with Isabela, then recruit others.
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Honestly? Because I like the themes and investing in MA and awakening other's CHI and allowing them to use Demon Arts is cool. And unlike Alchemy, we do not need reagents to do so.
 
My plan, take 2.

[X] I Can See You, But You Can't See Me!
-[X] Purchase Black Mirror Incarnation (15 XP)
-[X] Purchase Splintered Gale Incarnation (20 XP)
-[X] Purchase Awareness up to 3 Dots (9 XP)
-[X] Increase Alertness to 3 Dots (6 XP)
-[X] Increase Alchemy to 4 Dots (6 XP)
-[X] Buy down Nightmares (4 XP)
-[X] Total XP Spent: 60

EDIT: W I P
 
Seriously though does anyone have an idea of what those "eyes of stone" could've been from the last update? The only thing I can think of is the Skinwalker.
 
[X] Sorceress Might and Alchemical Perfection
-[X] Increase Alchemy to 5 Dots (22 XP)
--[X] Prima Metallum ●●●
--[X] Mana Crystal ●●●●
--[X] Thunderclap & Flash ●●●●●
-[X] Purchase Alchemy Recipes (10 XP)
--[X] High Kevlar ●
--[X] Greater Asprin ●
--[X] Metaphysical Gear ●●
--[X] Astarte Venerian ●●●
--[X] Nabu Mercury ●●●
-[X] Buy Mana Manipulation to 3 Dots (13 XP)
--[X] Mana Field Perception ●
--[X] Infusion ●●
--[X] Shape Mana ●●●
-[X] Buy Ancient Sorcery - The Tree's Many Branches (10 XP)
-[X] Buy Awareness to 2 Dots (5 XP)
-[X] Total XP Spent: 60

A metal alloy that is lighter and stronger than titanium(but easier to work), retains an edge almost forever and stays more resilient than the finest blade. Armor-produced with this alloy gets an extra dot of bashing and lethal soak, and melee weapons made of it do one more die of damage and are-1 difficulty to hit with ( due to their light weight and fine balance)
A crystalline substance that is capable of sustaining spell matrices in its facets this Crystal lowers the difficulty penalty of hanging spells by one per two successes past the first to a minimum of zero.
A potion that grants the user the speed and strength of a thunderbolt for a scene. They possess +3 Dice on dexterity actions and +2 dice on strength actions. The player taking the potion rolls Stamina + Occult at Difficulty 7 with each success granting two Charges which can be spent on Thunderous Might (Potence 2) and / or Lightning's Fall (Celerity 3) Functioning as the disciplines in parentheses. The character will have a hard time focusing and a deep well of energy. Any being with the ability to sense or see magic will feel the presence and if seeing the aura of lightning and barely contained violence.
Is an alchemically made aromatic poly-amide, a class of heat-resistant and strong synthetic fibers synthesized from base Kevlar fibers. Lighter, stronger and more impact resistant than its purely mundane cousin. Lowers the difficulty of lethal and bashing soak by 1 and lowers the dexterity penalty by 1
As its name implies is an anti-inflammatory and pain reliever made through alchemical means. Lowers wound penalties by 1
A Regiment of pills and potions that grants internal assists in the perfecting of the body over time. The regimen overtime primes the body for growth or expedites the slow process it already is undergoing similar to the library background for abilities and Spheres this decreases the Xp cost of Physical attributes, lowering the XP cost by one per day to a minimum of 1XP. In the case of physically active PCs this can automatically increase stats after Current rating weeks.
A Series of nacreous Potions and Lotions that move the user closer to the perfected ideas of beauty in all aspects charm, wit and attraction. Similar to the library background for abilities and Spheres, this decreases the Xp cost of Social attributes, lowering the XP cost by one per day to a minimum of 1XP. In the case of Appearance it can automatically increase after Current rating weeks.
Strange seemingly liquid silver pills that sharpen the senses and mind in all facets, taken 3 times daily At the rising, crowning and drowning of the sun. Similar to the library background for abilities and Spheres, this decreases the Xp cost of Mental attributes, lowering the XP cost by one per day to a minimum of 1XP.
Gives us multi- attack option, gives us the ability to directly interact with lay lines and Mana as well as create temporary Essence holders. Makes buying attributes for all of our party members in the future cheaper, anyone we train, anyone we feel like giving the potions to really. Increases our awareness.
 
Yog said:
X] Plan Feeding and Healing
-[X] Molly, 41 XP
--[X] Splintered Gale Incarnation, 20 XP
--[X] Alchemy 4, 6 XP
--[X] Maggot Mana Plague, 8 XP
--[X] Awareness 2, 5 XP
--[X] Alertness 2, 2 XP
-[X] Lydia, 15 XP + 12 XP = 27 XP
--[X] Warding of Divine Ancestry, 15 XP
--[X] Companions of the Hunter, 12 XP
-[X] Tiffany, 15 XP + 7 XP = 22 XP
--[X] Lore of Awakening 3 dots, 22 XP
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Alchemy and MMP together puts a lot of the issues I and others had with it, but with the rulings we have for HS+ESS it's super inefficient.

The greatest bottleneck we have is Molly's time, and actually using it does take that on a regular basis even if you completely disregard every sense of caution and complication.

Making a splendor that can feed vampires as much as they in particular can eat takes our time once, then can be handed off to a minion.

Infinite power isn't really practical for a variety of reasons, but with a controlled dining hall to work out if we can make it easy enough. If we shell out for an AoE effect we could have a literal dining hall, capable of feeding everyone standing in playground sized space as much as they can take, though it'd be a bring your own intimacy feeding ground under those conditions.

On the rest, this is the first buy point since DP gave a thumbs up to custom charms and we have a lot of exp. It may be a good plan to go over some of those options and see what's approved before we start making plans.

For example, I really like this charm from @Odysseus2099 . can't quote quotes, so here's a reference to the post and the extracted charm text:
Odysseus2099 said:
X-ray and Telescopic vision
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Surveillance State Protocols(••) said:
Within the labyrinthine confines of the Wicked City privacy is never guaranteed, for all are subject to Mikaboshi's paranoid gaze.
System: By paying a mote and succeeding an Awareness + Perception roll the Infernal may see anywhere within (Essence) miles as if she were right next to it, regardless of any obstacles in the way.
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If that works with our other charms as a delivery vehicle, and especially if it lets us observe our clones with some favorable reach synergy, it'd eliminate my issues with SGI.

SGI, SBS, and SSP would be pretty great expansions in ability for us. Extra AP, a way to nuke hard targets, and a way to trigger at least some charms from across town.
 
I would perfer that Molly get False Hope Springs to deal with Harry's wound especially since it costs less total XP and has many uses, but I will admit that I am at a loss for what we buy Lash if not the lore of awakenings.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
Splintered Gale Incarnation, Is a must have with Lash able to make separate pacts for each clone.
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In all honesty? Screw that.

Lash is a party member and we're an exalt, a Catholic one at that, worshipping her in any capacity is really OOC.

Which is exactly what it is by RaW and fluff. You gather more faith potential by growing in faith to the demon, and in the lore the conceit is that demons are getting access to divine power again by intercepting their thralls' connection to god so they take his power unwillingly where it's no longer given freely.

Is a celestial exaltation too slow and stingy with power or something?
 
BronzeTongue said:
You gather more faith potential by growing in faith to the demon, and in the lore the conceit is that demons are getting access to divine power again by intercepting their thralls' connection to god so they take his power unwillingly where it's no longer given freely.
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Oh yeah fuck all of that it's so OOC for Molly with her Catholic beliefs and attitude towards God it's not even funny.
 
[X] Peace through Superior Firepower
- [X] Principle-Invoking Onslaught, 12 XP
- [X] Dexterity 5, 8 XP
- [X] Firearms 5, 23 XP
- [X] Firearms Excellency, 4 XP
- [X] Willpower 10, 9 XP
- [X] Buy Down Nightmares, 4 XP

60/60 XP spent

Buy Willpower and Nightmares so Molly won't be haunted by her reign of nuclear terror.

Don't buy Awareness or Alertness because you can never get ambushed when you can pull a nuke out of your back pocket.

Don't buy a Perfect Defense because nukes solve everything, including your own existence.

It's time for Molly to become a nuclear nation in truth, and a pariah nation to boot!
 
BronzeTongue said:
In all honesty? Screw that.
Lash is a party member and we're an exalt, a Catholic one at that, worshipping her in any capacity is really OOC.

Which is exactly what it is by RaW and fluff. You gather more faith potential by growing in faith to the demon, and in the lore the conceit is that demons are getting access to divine power again by intercepting their thralls' connection to god so they take his power unwillingly where it's no longer given freely.

Is a celestial exaltation too slow and stingy with power or something?
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^^^
Thematically I have issues with it. Getting Attribute buffs? Sure. Pacts? No.
Its not worship, but it feels too much on the fringe for Molly as a practicing Catholic, and as a teenage girl who considers Lash a sorta rival for a dude's attentions.
 
I like Yog's plan, but I would prefer purchasing perfect defence. After all, the EIPP was also a contested spending, but it have turned out very useful this arc. Also, the automaton showed that Molly still has some flaws in defence.

[X] Plan Feeding and Healing + Defence
-[X] Molly, 41 XP
--[X] Counter-Conceptual Interposition, 16 XP
--[X] Alchemy 4, 6 XP
--[X] Maggot Mana Plague, 8 XP
--[X] Awareness 2, 5 XP
--[X] Alertness 2, 2 XP
--[X] Prince of Ruin Attitude, 4 XP
-[X] Lydia, 15 XP + 12 XP = 27 XP
--[X] Warding of Divine Ancestry, 15 XP
--[X] Companions of the Hunter, 12 XP
-[X] Tiffany, 15 XP + 7 XP = 22 XP
--[X] Lore of Awakening 3 dots, 22 XP
 
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BronzeTongue said:
Alchemy and MMP together puts a lot of the issues I and others had with it, but with the rulings we have for HS+ESS it's super inefficient.

The greatest bottleneck we have is Molly's time, and actually using it does take that on a regular basis even if you completely disregard every sense of caution and complication.

Making a splendor that can feed vampires as much as they in particular can eat takes our time once, then can be handed off to a minion.

Infinite power isn't really practical for a variety of reasons, but with a controlled dining hall to work out if we can make it easy enough. If we shell out for an AoE effect we could have a literal dining hall, capable of feeding everyone standing in playground sized space as much as they can take, though it'd be a bring your own intimacy feeding ground under those conditions.

On the rest, this is the first buy point since DP gave a thumbs up to custom charms and we have a lot of exp. It may be a good plan to go over some of those options and see what's approved before we start making plans.
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I am super hesitant about custom charms. As to MMP + Alchemy it's not just about feeding. Right now whampires we catch before they kill someone are suspended in the half-turned stage. MMP allows us to bypass that, and possibly results in production of something entirely new.

I am fairly sure providing some limited amount of MMP would be a free action, like Malcoffee production is.
Yzarc said:
Honestly? Because I like the themes and investing in MA and awakening other's CHI and allowing them to use Demon Arts is cool. And unlike Alchemy, we do not need reagents to do so.
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I am still super hesitant, but in the interest of compromises being reached, how about

[X] Plan Feeding and Healing v2
-[X] Molly, 41 XP
--[X] Splintered Gale Incarnation, 20 XP
--[X] Alchemy 4, 6 XP
--[X] Inner Devils Unchained, 12 XP
--[X] Awareness 1, 3 XP
-[X] Lydia, 15 XP + 12 XP = 27 XP
--[X] Warding of Divine Ancestry, 15 XP
--[X] Companions of the Hunter, 12 XP
-[X] Tiffany, 15 XP + 7 XP = 22 XP
--[X] Lore of Awakening 3 dots, 22 XP

I still want Alchemy a lot (Alchemy 3 at least is critical for crafting), but IDU synergies well with Lydia's Companios of the Hunter and carriage of the Ankou, allowing her to ride a demonic dinosaur into battle.
 
Yog said:
am super hesitant about custom charms. As to MMP + Alchemy it's not just about feeding. Right now whampires we catch before they kill someone are suspended in the half-turned stage. MMP allows us to bypass that, and possibly results in production of something entirely new.

I am fairly sure providing some limited amount of MMP would be a free action, like Malcoffee production is
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The thing that gets them stuck is that they need a certain amount of power to finish waking up and gaining control isn't it? Unlike reds it's primarily about the juice at this stage.

Giving them literally as much food as they can take with should be enough to glut the demon into calming down.
 
[]Plan Minion care

[] Plan Feeding and Healing v2

[X] I Can See You, But You Can't See Me!

[] Sorceress Might and Alchemical Perfection V.4

[] Plan: Trying to buy votes. V2

[]Plan Saints and Sinners
[] Plan: Molly's Warp storm and Demons
 
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