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Try to survive the Winter: A planquest in Fantasy Colonial America

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[X][Leper] Accept, Alexandre will remain in Union until the Brothers call him back. Ask that the letter he sends back to ask the lepers to not tell the king about how bad supernatual is within the union area of the new world for fear of drawing attention.

[X] Plan Powder Purchasing
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 3x Gunpowder (3 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 1x Furs and Leather (1 point), 1x Beaver Furs (2 points), 1x Trophies (1 point)

@Chimeraguard plan for trade
 
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Woltaire said:
[X] Plan Powder Purchasing
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 3x Gunpowder (3 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 1x Furs and Leather (1 point), 1x Beaver Furs (2 points), 1x Trophies (1 point)
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Since it is free I would add a Write in that we are especially interested on buying seeds, livestock and salt from Europe...
 
[X][Leper] Accept, Alexandre will remain in Union until the Brothers call him back. Ask that the letter he sends back to ask the lepers to not tell the king about how bad supernatual is within the union area of the new world for fear of drawing attention.

[X] Plan Powder Purchasing
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 3x Gunpowder (3 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 1x Furs and Leather (1 point), 1x Beaver Furs (2 points), 1x Trophies (1 point)
 
[X][Leper] Accept, Alexandre will remain in Union until the Brothers call him back. Ask that the letter he sends back to ask the lepers to not tell the king about how bad supernatual is within the union area of the new world for fear of drawing attention.

[X] Plan Trophyless Powder Purchasing
 
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[X] Plan Powder Purchasing with more Beaver
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 4x Gunpowder (4 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 2x Beaver Furs (4 points), 1x Trophies (1 point)

I made an alternate plan that changes out the regular furs with beaver furs and adds another gunpowder. This works out better for us since we got confirmation that trading two units of beaver isn't going to cause a sudden gold rush.
 
[X][Leper] Accept, Alexandre will remain in Union until the Brothers call him back. Ask that the letter he sends back to ask the lepers to not tell the king about how bad supernatual is within the union area of the new world for fear of drawing attention.

[X] Plan Powder Purchasing
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 3x Gunpowder (3 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 1x Furs and Leather (1 point), 1x Beaver Furs (2 points), 1x Trophies (1 point)
 
OldShadow said:
You could, but this would lower the efficienty of your hunters and reduce the gunpowder bonus during combat and Winter turn due to lack of training.
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Hmm, would their effectiveness be any worse than it is now? It might be worth it if their effectiveness doesn't decrease.

If it does though, best to stick with our single musket unit.

Either way, once I'm fully up I'll be altering Powder Purchasing into selling two Beaver furs while keeping the regular furs for our own use.
 
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Watcher's Eyes said:
We can start the sambankoli so to set up agroforestry to mitigate the loss. but that's a long term project unless some magic comes up.
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Yeah, it's a fair bit problematic. Fortunately, upon closer inspection and research, it's not as bad as I previously thought. It sounds like the expeditions will be against the Spanish treasure fleet, at least for now. Therefore, since said fleet only sailed annually, we shouldn't expect more than a single expedition per year. Also, the list of people who actually successfully raided that fleet is ridiculously short, so I wouldn't bet money on their odds of success.

[] Plan Powder Purchasing sans Trophies plus Beavers
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 3x Gunpowder (3 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 2x Beaver Furs (4 points),
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[X] Plan Trophyless Powder Purchasing
[X][Leper] Accept, Alexandre will remain in Union until the Brothers call him back.
 
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Fanhunter696 said:
Since it is free I would add a Write in that we are especially interested on buying seeds, livestock and salt from Europe...
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eh that not really suited for a report to the lepers on the supernatural that for a message we send with the traders
Chimeraguard said:
Hmm, would their effectiveness be any worse than it is now? It might be worth it if their effectiveness doesn't decrease.

If it does though, best to stick with our single musket unit.

Either way, once I'm fully up I'll be altering Powder Purchasing into selling two Beaver furs while keeping the regular furs for our own use.
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More muskets is not worth the increased gunpowder expedntuire and rationing gunpowder use is def not worth decreasing worsening our hunter, gunpowder bonus in combat and WINTER
 
Fanhunter696 said:
I didn´t mean for the lepers, just inform the Captain that the union is especially interested in that stuff
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oh well it not my plan it chimeraguard plan and well not sure how much I trust this dude/don't know if I want him being the one to come back rather a less...terrible merchant come back cause he def not tell people that he keep it secret and try to pull the same trick as last time
 
Woltaire said:
More muskets is not worth the increased gunpowder expedntuire and rationing gunpowder use is def not worth decreasing worsening our hunter, gunpowder bonus in combat and WINTER
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Yeah, if it decreases the effectiveness of our hunters and combat during Winter it's not worth it, but I'm asking if that's actually the case. If it just means we don't have any improvement in terms of hunting, then it might be worth it if our net performance in major combat and Winter improves overall (like, if one unit of Muskets normally gives 25, but 2x under rationing gives 15 or 20 each, that's still technically a net gain), but a decrease to overall effectiveness is not worth it.
 
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Guys I have a small suggestion...

Since OldShadow has confirmed that asking this asshole to spread the words of our needs is free and doesn't require an messenger... Why not take advantage of it?

Just add something among the lines of

-[][Trade] Ask David to spread the word that we are willing to trade, especially with livestock, seeds, salt and gunpowder.



Hunter531 said:
[X] Plan Powder Purchasing sans Trophies plus Beavers
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 3x Gunpowder (3 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 2x Beaver Furs (4 points),
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Lurking_Badger said:
[X] Plan Powder Purchasing with more Beaver
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 4x Gunpowder (4 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 2x Beaver Furs (4 points), 1x Trophies (1 point)
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Woltaire said:
[X] Plan Powder Purchasing
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 3x Gunpowder (3 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 1x Furs and Leather (1 point), 1x Beaver Furs (2 points), 1x Trophies (1 point)
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Woltaire said:
oh well it not my plan it chimeraguard plan and well not sure how much I trust this dude/don't know if I want him being the one to come back rather a less...terrible merchant come back cause he def not tell people that he keep it secret and try to pull the same trick as last time
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Yeah, this guy is an asshole, but I don't think that telling them that we are interested in more seeds and livestock can backfire on us...
 
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Chimeraguard said:
Yeah, if it decreases the effectiveness of our hunters and combat during Winter it's not worth it, but I'm asking if that's actually the case. If it just means we don't have any improvement in terms of hunting, then it might be worth it if our net performance in major combat and Winter improves overall (like, if one unit of Muskets normally gives 25, but 2x under rationing gives 15 or 20 each, that's still technically a net gain), but a decrease to overall effectiveness is not worth it.
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If you put in place powder rationning, it will lower the bonus given by gunpowder in Winter.
In our world, you could get away with little gunpowder use for the militia, but for Union, the militia is not going to be able to shoot monsters without training at least twice a mounth.
 
Right, in that case...

[X] Plan Powder Purchasing
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 4x Gunpowder (4 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 2x Beaver Furs (4 points), 1x Trophies (1 point)
-[X] Ask David to spread the word that we are willing to trade, especially for livestock, seeds, salt, and gunpowder.

Just maximizing our gunpowder purchasing by doing the swap, since trading the beaver furs is objectively better. I considered purchasing a second point of fabric instead but eh, given our situation, there's really no such thing as "too much" gunpowder.

[X] Plan Trophyless Powder Purchasing
-[X][Trade] Trade With David
--[X] Goods Bought: Cats (1 point), 3x Gunpowder (3 points), 1x Fabric (1 point)
--[X] Goods Sold: 1x Coins and Jewelry (1 point), 2x Beaver Furs (4 points)
-[X] Ask David to spread the word that we are willing to trade, especially for livestock, seeds, salt, and gunpowder.

And an alt plan for those who want to save the Husks for our own use in fertilizer.

If there are no objections, I'll add on the "Ask David to spread the word" suggestion.

[X][Leper] Accept, Alexandre will remain in Union until the Brothers call him back.

Fanhunter696 said:
Yeah, this guy is an asshole, but I don't think that telling them that we are interested in more seeds and livestock can backfire on us...
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Well theoretically he could give other merchants false info so they come to us with stuff we don't want and so we're reliant on him, but that's a stretch. It'd destroy what little reputation the guy has with other merchants and probably drive him out of business just as fast as failing to pay the creditors would. And it's a lie that would only last as long as it takes one merchant acting on the faulty information to come to us, realize they were lied to, and return to Europe with the news.

He could also just not tell anyone due to his plan of saying that he's the only one who can bridge the gap. But in that case we don't actually lose anything.
 
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Chimeraguard said:
And an alt plan for those who want to save the Husks for our own use in fertilizer.
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Um, I posted this exact same plan like an hour ago? Thought I'd save you the hassle. Guess I failed in that regard. In hindsight I should have poked you, but in my defense, I had just woken up when I sent out that post.
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He could also just not tell anyone due to his plan of saying that he's the only one who can bridge the gap. But in that case we don't actually lose anything.
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I think we can be extremely confident that he will do exactly that for the reasons you mentioned. In which case just telling that bringing some sheep, seeds, and/or salt next time might be a good idea will have the same effect without letting him think he can get one over on us.
 
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[X] Plan Powder Purchasing
Shouldn't we be also voting on the priest guy?


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Oh yeah, that too. Added it in.

I just went with the default option because with the word of OldShadow that the default letter will be "Like Transylvania, except worse", I don't see much reason to ask for it to be modified.
 
Chimeraguard said:
Oh yeah, that too. Added it in.

I just went with the default option because with the word of OldShadow that the default letter will be "Like Transylvania, except worse", I don't see much reason to ask for it to be modified.
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Same. Just how bad stuff it will be coming out sooner or later. Best that the folks most likely to be sympathetic are the ones who know the truth first.
 
@OldShadow Say, are there any more family and friends of the colonists (both surviving and slain) back in Europe who would likely be able and willing/desperate enough to make the crossing to the New World?

That might make it worthwhile to send a message back, though it would be at least a bit of a gamble (both that they would be willing to come, and that we don't kick off a mass migration we can't handle.)
 
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Chimeraguard said:
Well theoretically he could give other merchants false info so they come to us with stuff we don't want and so we're reliant on him, but that's a stretch. It'd destroy what little reputation the guy has with other merchants and probably drive him out of business just as fast as failing to pay the creditors would. And it's a lie that would only last as long as it takes one merchant acting on the faulty information to come to us, realize they were lied to, and return to Europe with the news.
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TBH, I doubt that he will tell false information, the things that we are asking are things that merchants would try to sell us anyways because things like livestock, salt or seeds are cheap and easy to get in Europe, and impossible to get in the new world... He will probably try to profit by selling the info to other merchants

And if he lies to someone about the Union not needing sheeps, but needing cats he risks that once the other merchant returs home, he will hire someone to stab him in a dark ally.

Chimeraguard said:
He could also just not tell anyone due to his plan of saying that he's the only one who can bridge the gap. But in that case we don't actually lose anything.
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I doubt it, because the Huntsmen is in the known, the king is in the known, his 20 sailors are in the known... There is no way that he is able to maintain any sort of monopoly and he knows it...
Chimeraguard said:
@OldShadow Say, are there any more family and friends of the colonists (both surviving and slain) back in Europe who would likely be able and willing/desperate enough to make the crossing to the New World?

That might make it worthwhile to send a message back, though it would be at least a bit of a gamble (both that they would be willing to come, and that we don't kick off a mass migration we can't handle.)
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If we do that we will need to get a proper messenger someone that we can trust to track down our families, and pay for it...
 
Chimeraguard said:
@OldShadow Say, are there any more family and friends of the colonists (both surviving and slain) back in Europe who would likely be able and willing/desperate enough to make the crossing to the New World?

That might make it worthwhile to send a message back, though it would be at least a bit of a gamble (both that they would be willing to come, and that we don't kick off a mass migration we can't handle.)
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Willing, probably, since many people in the extended family/social circle of the Colonists are in the same situation as they where back in Europe (little hope of not starving).
Able, unless you can pay for the journey or find someone to do it, no.
 
OldShadow said:
Willing, probably, since many people in the extended family/social circle of the Colonists are in the same situation as they where back in Europe (little hope of not starving).
Able, unless you can pay for the journey or find someone to do it, no.
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If we sent the money and jewels we have left from Jamestown with the messenger... Would they be able to afford the journey?
 
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