Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
-[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
 
[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
-[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
 
If she is moving now getting her current location isn't going to help us unless she's nearby or we find a base with a focus for Harry.
I meant moving in the sense of executing her plans. We have two foci, three if we ask about the club before we leave. That should be sufficient to pick up on what she's trying to do and therefore narrow down where she's going to be.

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[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
-[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
 
Insanity plea is insanely hard to achieve in US jurisprudence, and generally just puts you in a different kind of prison.
John Hinckley managed to work an insanity defence for attempting Reagan's assassination in 1981, and he was committed for over three decades as a consequence.

Also, having them misdiagnosed with mental illness is going to have them on drugs that will fuck them up worse.

This is an IC concern because Molly, and people she cared about, were in this position less than a year ago
Memory is still fresh.
And she has reason to remember that the legal system doesnt care. Has to be actively forced to care.
Insanity plea is hard to achieve under normal circumstances, which these are not. And you aren't addressing the issue that, if they were actually enthralled, chances are that their minds are actually damaged, because that's how mind control magic works in Dresden Files.
 
Insanity plea is hard to achieve under normal circumstances, which these are not. And you aren't addressing the issue that, if they were actually enthralled, chances are that their minds are actually damaged, because that's how mind control magic works in Dresden Files.
Insanity plea is literally illegal in several US states. Nevada banned it, only to have that ban overturned in of 2001.

United States

In the United States, variances in the insanity defense between states, and in the federal court system, are attributable to differences with respect to three key issues:


  1. Availability: whether the jurisdiction allows a defendant to raise the insanity defense,
  2. Definition: when the defense is available, what facts will support a finding of insanity, and
  3. Burden of proof: whether the defendant has the duty of proving insanity or the prosecutor has the duty of disproving insanity, and by what standard of proof.

In Foucha v. Louisiana (1992) the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that a person could not be held "indefinitely" for psychiatric treatment following a finding of not guilty by reason of insanity.


Availability

In the United States, a criminal defendant may plead insanity in federal court, and in the state courts of every state except for Idaho, Kansas, Montana, and Utah.[52] However, defendants in states that disallow the insanity defense may still be able to demonstrate that a defendant was not capable of forming intent to commit a crime as a result of mental illness.

In Kahler v. Kansas (2020), the U.S. Supreme Court held, in a 6–3 ruling, that a state does not violate the Due Process Clause by abolishing an insanity defense based on a defendant's incapacity to distinguish right from wrong. The Court emphasized that state governments have broad discretion to choose laws defining "the precise relationship between criminal culpability and mental illness."[53]


Definition

Each state and the federal court system currently uses one of the following "tests" to define insanity for purposes of the insanity defense. Over its decades of use the definition of insanity has been modified by statute, with changes to the availability of the insanity defense, what constitutes legal insanity, whether the prosecutor or defendant has the burden of proof, the standard of proof required at trial, trial procedures, and to commitment and release procedures for defendants who have been acquitted based on a finding of insanity.[54]


M'Naghten test

The guidelines for the M'Naghten Rules, state, among other things, and evaluating the criminal responsibility for defendants claiming to be insane were settled in the British courts in the case of Daniel M'Naghten in 1843.[11] M'Naghten was a Scottish woodcutter who killed the secretary to the prime minister, Edward Drummond, in a botched attempt to assassinate the prime minister himself. M'Naghten apparently believed that the prime minister was the architect of the myriad of personal and financial misfortunes that had befallen him.[55] During his trial, nine witnesses testified to the fact that he was insane, and the jury acquitted him, finding him "not guilty by reason of insanity".[55]

The House of Lords asked the judges of the common law courts to answer five questions on insanity as a criminal defence,[56][57] and the formulation that emerged from their review—that a defendant should not be held responsible for their actions only if, as a result of their mental disease or defect, they (i) did not know that their act would be wrong; or (ii) did not understand the nature and quality of their actions—became the basis of the law governing legal responsibility in cases of insanity in England. Under the rules, loss of control because of mental illness was no defense[citation needed]. The M'Naghten rule was embraced with almost no modification by American courts and legislatures for more than 100 years, until the mid-20th century.[11]


Durham/New Hampshire test

The strict M'Naghten standard for the insanity defense was widely used until the 1950s and the case of Durham v. United States case.[55] In the Durham case, the court ruled that a defendant is entitled to acquittal if the crime was the product of their mental illness (i.e., crime would not have been committed but for the disease). The Durham rule, also called the Product Test, is broader than either the M'Naghten test or the irresistible impulse test. The test has more lenient guidelines for the insanity defense, but it addressed the issue of convicting mentally ill defendants, which was allowed under the M'Naghten Rule.[11] However, the Durham standard drew much criticism because of its expansive definition of legal insanity. It was abandoned in the 1970s, after the case of United States v. Brawner (1972).[58]


Model Penal Code test

The Model Penal Code, published by the American Law Institute, provides the ALI rule - a standard for legal insanity that serves as a compromise between the strict M'Naghten Rule, the lenient Durham ruling, and the irresistible impulse test. Under the MPC standard, which represents the modern trend, a defendant is not responsible for criminal conduct "if at the time of such conduct as a result of mental disease or defect he lacks substantial capacity either to appreciate the criminality of their conduct or to conform their conduct to the requirements of the law." The test thus takes into account both the cognitive and volitional capacity of insanity.


Federal courts

After the perpetrator of President Reagan's assassination attempt was found not guilty by reason of insanity, Congress passed the Insanity Defense Reform Act of 1984. Under this act, the burden of proof was shifted from the prosecution to the defense and the standard of evidence in federal trials was increased from a preponderance of evidence to clear and convincing evidence. The ALI test was discarded in favor of a new test that more closely resembled M'Naghten's. Under this new test only perpetrators suffering from severe mental illnesses at the time of the crime could successfully employ the insanity defense. The defendant's ability to control himself or herself was no longer a consideration.

The Act also curbed the scope of expert psychiatric testimony and adopted stricter procedures regarding the hospitalization and release of those found not guilty by reason of insanity.

Those acquitted of a federal offense by reason of insanity have not been able to challenge their psychiatric confinement through a writ of habeas corpus or other remedies. In Archuleta v. Hedrick, 365 F.3d 644 (8th Cir. 2004), the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit the court ruled persons found not guilty by reason of insanity and later want to challenge their confinement may not attack their initial successful insanity defense:


The appellate court affirmed the lower court's judgment: "Having thus elected to make himself a member of that 'exceptional class' of persons who seek verdicts of not guilty by reason of insanity...he cannot now be heard to complain of the statutory consequences of his election." The court held that no direct attack upon the final judgment of acquittal by reason of insanity was possible. It also held that the collateral attack that he was not informed that a possible alternative to his commitment was to ask for a new trial was not a meaningful alternative.[59]



Guilty but mentally ill

As an alternative to the insanity defense, some jurisdictions permit a defendant to plead guilty but mentally ill.[54] A defendant who is found guilty but mentally ill may be sentenced to mental health treatment, at the conclusion of which the defendant will serve the remainder of their sentence in the same manner as any other defendant.


Burden of proof

In a majority of states, the burden of proving insanity is placed on the defendant, who must prove insanity by a preponderance of the evidence.[60]

In a minority of states, the burden is placed on the prosecution, who must prove sanity beyond reasonable doubt.[60]

In federal court the burden is placed on the defendant, who must prove insanity by clear and convincing evidence.[61] See 18 U.S.C.S. Sec. 17(b); see also A.R.S. Sec. 13-502(C).


Controversy

The insanity plea is used in the U.S Criminal Justice System in less than 1% of all criminal cases.[62] Little is known about the criminal justice system and the mentally ill:


[T]here is no definitive study regarding the percentage of people with mental illness who come into contact with police, appear as criminal defendants, are incarcerated, or are under community supervision. Furthermore, the scope of this issue varies across jurisdictions. Accordingly, advocates should rely as much as possible on statistics collected by local and state government agencies.[62]



Some U.S. states have begun to ban the use of the insanity defense, and in 1994 the Supreme Court denied a petition of certiorari seeking review of a Montana Supreme Court case that upheld Montana's abolition of the defense.[63] Idaho, Kansas, and Utah have also banned the defense. However, a mentally ill defendant/patient can be found unfit to stand trial in these states. In 2001, the Nevada Supreme Court found that their state's abolition of the defense was unconstitutional as a violation of Federal due process. In 2006, the Supreme Court decided Clark v. Arizona upholding Arizona's limitations on the insanity defense. In that same ruling, the Court noted "We have never held that the Constitution mandates an insanity defense, nor have we held that the Constitution does not so require." In 2020, the Supreme Court decided Kahler v. Kansas upholding Kansas' abolition of the insanity defense, stating that the Constitution does not require Kansas to adopt an insanity test that turns on a defendant's ability to recognize that their crime was morally wrong.[64]

The insanity defense is also complicated because of the underlying differences in philosophy between psychiatrists/psychologists and legal professionals.[65] In the United States, a psychiatrist, psychologist or other mental health professional is often consulted as an expert witness in insanity cases, but the ultimate legal judgment of the defendant's sanity is determined by a jury, not by a mental health professional. In other words, mental health professionals provide testimony and professional opinion but are not ultimately responsible for answering legal questions.[65]


Before the Hinckley case, the insanity defense had been used in less than 2% of all American felony cases and was unsuccessful in almost 75% of those trials.[23] Created in 1962, the Model Penal Code's insanity test broadened the then-dominant M'Naghten test; by 1981, it was adopted in ten of the eleven federal circuits and a majority of the states.[31]: 10 & n.40 As a consequence of public outcry over the Hinckley verdict, the United States Congress and a number of states enacted legislation making the insanity defense more restrictive; Congress rejected the MPC test,[32]: 1484 & n.49 and by 2006 only 14 states retained it.[33] Eighty percent of insanity-defense reforms between 1978 and 1990 occurred shortly after the Hinckley verdict.[32]: 1487 n.76 In addition to restricting eligibility for the defense, many of these reforms also shifted the burden of proof to the defendant.[34]

For the first time, Congress passed a law stipulating the insanity test to be used in all federal criminal trials, the Insanity Defense Reform Act of 1984.[35] The IDRA excised the Model Penal Code's volitional element in favor of an exclusively cognitive test,[32]: 1484–85 affording the insanity defense to a defendant who can show that, "at the time of the commission of the acts constituting the offense, the defendant, as a result of a severe mental disease or defect, was unable to appreciate the nature and quality or the wrongfulness of his acts".[36]: 945 n.76 At the state level, Idaho, Montana, and Utah abolished the defense altogether.[37]

Hinckley's acquittal led to the popularization of the "guilty but mentally ill" (GBMI) verdict,[38] typically used when a defendant's mental illness did not result in sufficient impairment to warrant insanity. A defendant receiving a GBMI verdict generally receives an identical sentence to a defendant receiving a guilty verdict, but the designation allows for a medical evaluation and treatment.[32]: 1485 Studies have suggested that jurors often favor a GBMI verdict, considering it to be a compromise.[38]

Changes in federal and some state rules of evidence laws have since excluded or restricted the use of testimony of an expert witness, such as a psychologist or psychiatrist, regarding conclusions on "ultimate" issues in insanity defense cases, including whether a criminal defendant is legally "insane",[39] but this is not the rule in most states.[40]


Normal mental illness generally has an organic component that can be alleviated or treated by the administration of medication.
Enthrallment/mind control-derived disease does not.
Possession-based mental illness does not either.

Ergo, treating magical mental illness with drugs meant for organic mental illness is just going to add a different set of pathologies to the mix.


Yeah, if they've been touched enough to look for that could get bad. At minimum the cult should have all their true names, which you can do quite a bit with.
I think it's worth considering that ultimately innocent and not being a danger to themselves or others are different things. After getting hit this hard by a death cult it's probably genuinely unsafe for them to be unattended.
Yeah, thats fair. I can work with that. More to the point, I think Molly can work with that IC.

Just make it clear that Molly is interested in how this works out to the Library if they're just victims of enthrallment, and use the power of Money(TM) to put a serious heavyweight law firm on the case to get them off.

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VOTE
[X] Wait for the feds and try to negotiate a solution that ends with the domestic terrorists in custody and you with your answers from a few minutes of questioning
-[X] Search the apparent cultists for cellphones, wallets and any documents
-[X]Have Lash talk to Silk while Molly is busy
-[X] Call the Library back and update them, with emphasis on your being unable to tell if the perps were enthralled, and make it clear you are willing to make arrangements if they are
-[X]Go around the corner with Lydia and vanish into a bottle of perfume/bleach before the Feds get here
-[X]Have Lash take point on any diplomacy until Molly's anima banner fades and she can safely return
[X] STUNT: "...So no casualties we can tell." You speak into your phone as you squat over the unconscious bomber, telekinetic appendages going through his pockets and arraying the contents in in front of you with the others. "Gonna need EOD to enter and decontaminate the premises, and maybe a evacuation of the neighborhood, but noone's dead. Id like to talk to the perps before they go into custody and.." You catch a glimpse of yourself in a window, and realize with a start that you're still glowing. "Oops. A small complication."



RATIONALE
Molly is glowing.
We have Anima Control 1. It takes (Essence rating*3)=9 minutes for the glow of her anima banner to go away. So have Lash and Dresden talk to the Feds while Molly vanishes into a bottle for the duration and comes back after that.

We have potential witnesses on site.
We should probably talk to them and narrow down the potential places that Sandra might choose to go to, or be doing.
The Crown will not tell us a person's future plans if they are subject to change.
 
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PS
Someone remember at next XP spend.
We need to buy Anima Control 2 for 3xp, so that our anima banner will go down after 3 minutes flat.
 
Normal mental illness generally has an organic component that can be alleviated or treated by the administration of medication.
Enthrallment/mind control-derived disease does not.
Possession-based mental illness does not either.
That's a large assumption. Huge, even. Yes, they are caused by outside forces, but, after said force is removed (by the death of the warlock), it's quite possible for the very physical scars to remain.

Essentially, from my point of view, you are arguing that, for example, mental illness caused by radiation exposure does not present organic damage.

The soul affects the body, yes, but the body also affects the soul
 
That's a large assumption. Huge, even. Yes, they are caused by outside forces, but, after said force is removed (by the death of the warlock), it's quite possible for the very physical scars to remain.
Its apparently not.
Proven Guilty went into this in some detail, because it was plot significant; the book started with the execution of a teenage Korean warlock who had driven two dozen people insane that way.

This was something that was doubled down on later in the book when talking about Molly and her victims Rosie and Nelson, and in Turn Coat with the lawyer who was enthralled by Madeline Raith.
ssentially, from my point of view, you are arguing that, for example, mental illness caused by radiation exposure does not present organic damage.
The soul affects the body, yes, but the body also affects the soul
Proven Guilty chapter 1, as said by the Merlin:
The Merlin came over to us, also in his formal robes and stole. He looked like a wizard should look-tall, long white hair, long white beard, piercing blue eyes, his face seamed with age and wisdom.
Well. With age, anyway.
"Warden Dresden," he said. He had the sonorous voice of a trained speaker, and spoke English with a high-class British accent. "If you had some evidence that you felt would prove the boy's innocence, you should have presented it during the trial."
"I didn't have anything like that, and you know it," I replied.
"He was proven guilty," the Merlin said. "I soulgazed him myself. I examined more than two dozen mortals whose minds he had altered. Three of them might eventually recover their sanity. He forced four others to commit suicide, and had hidden nine corpses from the local authorities, as well. And every one of them was a blood relation." The Merlin stepped toward me, and the air in the room suddenly felt hot. His eyes flashed with azure anger and his voice rumbled with deep, unyielding power. "The powers he had used had already broken his mind. We did what was necessary."
I turned and faced the Merlin. I didn't push out my jaw and try to stare him down. I didn't put anything belligerent or challenging into my posture. I didn't show any anger on my face, or slur any disrespect into my tone when I spoke. The past several months had taught me that the Merlin hadn't gotten his job through an ad on a matchbook. He was, quite simply, the strongest wizard on the planet. And he had talent, skill, and experience to go along with that strength. If I ever came to magical blows with him, there wouldn't be enough left of me to fill a lunch sack. I did not want a fight.
He is pretty clear that magical mindfuckery does not work the same way as organic mental disease.
Magic-induced psychosis or mental disease does not require an organic component as a prerequisite, nor does one necessarily develop in the aftermath.


You can see this further in people like the Corpsetaker, who IIRC has been repeatedly described as mad, and carries her madness between bodies.
But doesnt leave them mad, as we see with the body that she left with Luccio.
 
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Its apparently not.
Proven Guilty went into this in some detail, because it was plot significant; the book started with the execution of a teenage Korean warlock who had driven two dozen people insane that way.

This was something that was doubled down on later in the book when talking about Molly and her victims Rosie and Nelson, and in Turn Coat with the lawyer who was enthralled by Madeline Raith.

Proven Guilty chapter 1, as said by the Merlin:

He is pretty clear that magical mindfuckery does not work the same way as organic mental disease.
Magic-induced psychosis or mental disease does not require an organic component as a prerequisite, nor does one necessarily develop in the aftermath.


You can see this further in people like the Corpsetaker, who IIRC has been repeatedly described as mad, and carries her madness between bodies.
Nothing in your quote supports what you are saying, as far as I can see. It only supports mine - that mind alteration result in harm to mental health, and that mental health can be recovered.
 
Nothing in your quote supports what you are saying, as far as I can see. It only supports mine - that mind alteration result in harm to mental health, and that mental health can be recovered.
I dont see how you can read that and come to that conclusion.

I will provide you another citation: Drea Becton, one of Molly's friends at Splattercon, that we havent seen in this story so far.
Because she is insane.
Proven Guilty c17 said:
I wasted no time. We went up the stairs, and I was already preparing my Sight. A nurse opened the door to the stairway, and I simply stepped into the first door on my left-the catatonic girl's, Miss Becton's. I stepped into the doorway and raised my Sight.
She was a young girl, still in her late teens, nervously thin, her hair a shocking color of red that for some reason did not strike me as a dye job. She lay on her front, her head turned to the side, muddy brown eyes open and blank. Her back had been covered in bandages.
As my Sight focused on her, I saw more. The girl's psyche had been savagely mauled, and as I watched her, phantom bruises darkened a few patches of skin that remained, and blood and watery fluids oozed from the rest of her torn flesh. Her mouth was set in a continual, silent wail, and beneath the real-world glaze, her eyes were wide with terror. If there'd been enough left of her behind those eyes, Miss Becton would have been screaming.
My stomach rolled and I barely spotted a trash can in time to throw up into it.
Murphy crouched down at my side, her hand on my back. "Harry? Are you okay?"
Anger and empathy and grief warred for first place in my thoughts. Across the room, I was dimly conscious of a clock radio warbling to life and dying in a puff of smoke. The room's fluorescent lights began to flicker as the violent emotions played hell with the aura of magic around me.
"No," I said in a vicious, half-strangled growl. "I'm not okay."
Murphy stared at me for a second, and then looked at the girl. "Is she…"
"She isn't coming back," I said.

I spat a few times into the trash can and stood up. My headache started to return. The girl's terrified eyes stayed bright and clear in my imagination. She'd been out for a fun time. A favorite movie. Maybe coffee or dinner with friends afterward. She sure as hell hadn't woken up yesterday morning and wondered if today would be the day some kind of nightmarish thing would rip away her sanity.
Magical induced sanity damage is explicitly not organic.


Thats someone we need to remember to find time to fix by the way.
Either directly, or ask Lash if it works.
I would also like to check in on Nelson, and see if he's healing, but that might be omake fodder.
 
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[] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
-[] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
 
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Magical induced sanity damage is explicitly not organic.
Where does it say so? I am not seeing it in the quotes. And, further, even if the damage done doesn't correspond to organic damage and/or biochemistry alteration, and is limited only to the informational structures of the mind, where does it say that mundane treatment is guaranteed or even likely to be ineffective in healing it?
 
[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
-[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
 
[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
-[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
-[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
Gentlemen. We have 9m of Essence right now. 60%.

Even if it would work?
We do not have the Essence to simultaneously spam Crown questions and still have enough Essence to get in a major fight at the other end.

Viridian Legend Exoskeleton + Steelskin + 6 seconds/2x activations of Melee Excellencies comes to 4m of Essence on its own. That doesnt account for use of Wind Born Stride(1m) or All Things Betray(1m) or a perfect defense(1-2m) or Imperial Primacy Mantle(1m or 1wp). And we still have to reserve 2m of Essence for emergency shintai.

And we have no guarantee it will work.
The Crown does not work on decisions that have not been made, or which are in flux.

Do this properly. Or you'll set us up for failure.


Where does it say so? I am not seeing it in the quotes. And, further, even if the damage done doesn't correspond to organic damage and/or biochemistry alteration, and is limited only to the informational structures of the mind, where does it say that mundane treatment is guaranteed or even likely to be ineffective in healing it?
The Merlin appears pretty certain about people not recovering from that sort of damage, and he made no caveats for psychiatric treatment.

You know what?
Perhaps you should provide citations for your assertions about the soul affecting the body.

I mean, we've explicitly seen both the Corpsetaker and Luccio in the same body, and we have seen no such thing. And Dresden explicitly called Corpsetaker calmly insane.
She met my eyes directly. "You are young, Harry Dresden. It is a great tragedy when a man with your potential dies before his time."
I shied away from her gaze at once. When a wizard looks into another person's eyes for an instant too long, he sees into them in a profound and unsettling kind of vision called a soulgaze. If I'd left my gaze on Alicia's eyes, I would get an up-close and personal look at her soul- and she at mine. I didn't want to see what was going on behind that dimpled smile. I recognized that perfect surety in her manner and expression as something more than rampant ego or fanatic conviction.
It was pure madness. Whatever else Alicia was, she was calmly and horribly insane.

If your claims are true, Corpsetaker wearing Alicia Nelson's body for a minimum of several days, if not months and years would have given the body organic mental disease, and Luccio would have inherited it when Corpsetaker dumped her inside the same body near the end of Dead Beat.

Yet that didnt happen.
 
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Where does it say so? I am not seeing it in the quotes. And, further, even if the damage done doesn't correspond to organic damage and/or biochemistry alteration, and is limited only to the informational structures of the mind, where does it say that mundane treatment is guaranteed or even likely to be ineffective in healing it?

Broadly speaking from what Molly knows of how magic works the harm done by enthrallment is done to the soul, that is why Corpsetaken in someone else's body is still herself, self-inflicted black magic harm and all.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Feb 1, 2024 at 8:22 AM, finished with 66 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
    -[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
    [X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
    [X] Grab the cultists and pass them to Sanctuary as soon as you are out of sight and earshot
    [X] Plan: Witch Hunt
    -[x] Run the pockets of the cultist for anything useful.
    -[x] Take off for the school before the authorities get here. Travel in the perfume bottle of bleach while driving to the school.
    [X] Wait for the feds and try to negotiate a solution that ends with the domestic terrorists in custody and you with your answers from a few minutes of questioning
    -[X] Search the apparent cultists for cellphones, wallets and any documents
    -[X]Have Lash talk to Silk while Molly is busy
    -[X] Call the Library back and update them, with emphasis on your being unable to tell if the perps were enthralled, and make it clear you are willing to make arrangements if they are
    -[X]Go around the corner with Lydia and vanish into a bottle of perfume/bleach before the Feds get here
    -[X]Have Lash take point on any diplomacy until Molly's anima banner fades and she can safely return
    [X] STUNT: "...So no casualties we can tell." You speak into your phone as you squat over the unconscious bomber, telekinetic appendages going through his pockets and arraying the contents in in front of you with the others. "Gonna need EOD to enter and decontaminate the premises, and maybe a evacuation of the neighborhood, but noone's dead. Id like to talk to the perps before they go into custody and.." You catch a glimpse of yourself in a window, and realize with a start that you're still glowing. "Oops. A small complication."
    [X] Wait for the feds and try to negotiate a solution that ends with the domestic terrorists in custody and you with your answers from a few minutes of questioning
    [X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
    -[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
    -[X] Use Crown on one of the cultists: Where is their leader right now?


Anyone else who wants to vote might want to get a move on.
 
I'm with uju32 on his concern about our Essence expenditures. We're far from topped off and there is still a lot of shit to get done today.
 
I'm with uju32 on his concern about our Essence expenditures. We're far from topped off and there is still a lot of shit to get done today.
I do understand the concern but at this point as long as we don't mess around we can slam into Sandra at just shy of Mach 1 pull her into the sky and kill her and then round up her subjects from the information we get from her corpse and her possessions. Without her there's no organization or coordinated attacks. Never mind the fact that she's still trying to kill a significant portion of the United States and throw the world in the chaos as California the 5th largest economy in the world is destroyed causing an economic death spiral not seen since the Great Depression.
 
[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
-[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
 
[X] Wait for the feds and try to negotiate a solution that ends with the domestic terrorists in custody and you with your answers from a few minutes of questioning
-[X] Search the apparent cultists for cellphones, wallets and any documents
-[X]Have Lash talk to Silk while Molly is busy
-[X] Call the Library back and update them, with emphasis on your being unable to tell if the perps were enthralled, and make it clear you are willing to make arrangements if they are
-[X]Go around the corner with Lydia and vanish into a bottle of perfume/bleach before the Feds get here
-[X]Have Lash take point on any diplomacy until Molly's anima banner fades and she can safely return
[X] STUNT: "...So no casualties we can tell." You speak into your phone as you squat over the unconscious bomber, telekinetic appendages going through his pockets and arraying the contents in in front of you with the others. "Gonna need EOD to enter and decontaminate the premises, and maybe a evacuation of the neighborhood, but noone's dead. Id like to talk to the perps before they go into custody and.." You catch a glimpse of yourself in a window, and realize with a start that you're still glowing. "Oops. A small complication."
 
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