[X] Proven Skill And Secured Futures
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
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(Basically it feels like the Oligarchic Council kinda closes off systemic reform except the boring, "Add more seats for more interest groups, otherwise keep everything exactly the same" route, whereas the Autocratic Democracy feels like its 'fail and now you have to figure out something better' state is more interesting and better.)
Yeah, that's called mob rule. Where if you become corrupt you can get a good chance of getting ripped apart by a mob of people. And, I don't think it really gets into the specifics behind what happens after you become elected as its ruler, do you need to constantly get reelection wins to stay in power, or do new faces need to be involved in running the system?
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As opposed to a system that is literally an oligarchy with a total of 20% of positions (1/5) being elected which totally just doesn't rely on the Virtue of whoever is in charge.
Like, all of the systems of governments we're being given here kinda suck in some absolute sense. Each of them is still probably in the top three human governments in the entire galaxy, because the bar is that fucking low, but they're all filled with some potentially obvious fail-states. Rather than assuming we're picking the great government structure that will exist for a thousand years, I am thinking about how things can improve from here because these are all things that are influenced by the examples they in-universe have of governments, which is why there's stupid shit because the planetary governments of the Imperium, and the Dark Mechanicus, are bad.
So the question is then, what's a more interesting fail state and what can, when we inevitably stumble, actually lead us to build something even better, maybe even something that's good by any standards rather than good in comparison to the horrible 40k baseline?
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Honestly I think you are over saying fail sate Laurent. I think we should focus on more what people like and what people see as useful.
Which comes from this, as many of us want more upgrades to Chaos resistance. Which will help us a lot.
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...I do legitimately think that HeroCooky kinda spiked the vote by making it about bonuses we don't get to see and hinting at more of them if we keep on just endlessly choosing Iconoclast options.
And I do actually think that a weirdo Autocratic Democracy is more fun than a bog standard, "Council of Experts" thing. I just think that both are almost certain to be fucked up and have tons of flaws and yet still be better than the previous status quo.
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I honestly had enough of Autocratic Democracy 40k quest, I have played one before. It was cool while it lasted but I am eh on the topic now. I think HeroCooky did a good thing by making which path gives what clear given we keep staking on a bonus we picked when we started this quest.
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Ehh. I didn't play any of them.
Not really. Like, to clarify here, the factions being represented are the Emperor's Angels (one dude ATM, maybe up to eighteen if the Gene-Seeds all take), the Choir (five people), the religious groups (some number of people, small but higher than five, lol), the military (a larger number of people) and the civilian administration (literally the vast majority of people) who all get an equal say in what happens. If there's not a, "Third Estate protests that the other two estates can trivially outvote them" coming once the novelty of revolutionary cooperation against hated outsiders wears off (so a few years to a decade), I'd be surprised.
Don't get me wrong, I run a Quest that literally has a Council that gives at least one seat to each race involved whether there's three people (the dragons) or over half the population (the Skaven.) But I recognize that it's kinda a very flawed compromise that might work "well enough" for the moment but will absolutely break down over time.
...it's admittedly better designed than this version of Oligarchic Council rule, but that's again not the same thing as well-designed anymore than the fact that any of these governments place it in the top three best governments among humans in Warhammer 40k, and maybe at the very top, means they're actually well-designed.
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Choir which is Psi department which will be more then 5 people, religious groups which given this is 40k means a lot who help take care of majority of people, Emperor's Angels while its only one person now. Can grow once the GeneSeeds are used as they each will have two. Military, this is 40k you need to be able to fight and make sure those who know how to have a voice. Civilian administration which ties into religious groups about taking care of our people and making sure their needs are seen to. Honestly, I would say its almost perfect for the system if we had one more. And make the Emperor's Angels the neutral party. But that may be our Quest's PC who plays that role.
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...perfect? Really?
Like, it is a kludge that will work well enough for now, as are the other two, but it is absolutely a kludge. It explicitly divides out the military from the populace in a way that in the long term is very dangerous, it runs obvious risks when it comes to religious influences, it's not hard to see how a small warrior elite having an equal say as everyone else could go wrong...
Now, do not get me wrong, I could list a very impressive list of flaws for the other two government types, but I'm not the one talking about "almost perfect."
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Almost perfect for a lot of people who don't know how to general rule themselves and don't really understand the wider galaxy? What did you think I would suggest this for real life?
HeroCooky
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The Grox Burger is literally sold by a galaxy-wide corporation franchise/food consortium.
Oh, I can just say what you'll get if you want? Like, that isn't something I am keeping hidden, just something I am not stating outright.
Your Council will be filled with a Bunny Girl Psyker, Definetly Not Isekai'd Dude With Pope Hat, Confused Laborer, Twitchy Gang Person, and Space Marine Dreadnought On Tiny Chair if that option is chosen. You are a ramshackle hodgepoge of rabble suddenly trying to do that thing known as "not being told what to do by others but yourself," without having ever had to consider that.The Laurent said:
And yes, each government will break down eventually. They are literally "Self-Governance - Version 0.1 Alpha."
Ahhh I see where you're coming from now, I can see how that would be dysfunctional. I still think it's odd to call an enlightened nobility or authoritarian democracy terrible by modern standards when we have places like North Korea or the third reich, unless we're talking on a purely functional level.
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Yeah if people think its going to effect votes that much. Bring clear helps I think.
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Yeah, we don't really have proper military right now.
HeroCooky
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Fifth level Icono straight up gives immunity (not resistance) against minor chaos corruption.
The others would have given:
Dogma 3 - Vastly reduced base unrest and QoL expectations
Dogma 5 - Extra Action and buff to loyalty
Heretic 3 - Literally calling up Chaos Space Marines for shit and stuff.
Heretic 5 - Daemon Binding
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You needed someone who knew military stuff, so your military got the anti-Mechanicus gang leader who joined at first call for revolution to represent.
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Honestly I will say, despite my objections, an underhive-y gang member/leader as the head of military is kinda hilarious, though presumably this would still be the case even when that doesn't mean he gets a seat in the government.
This admittedly is fucking hilarious to imagine in a mostly Iconoclastic government, tbh. Real Modern Democracy hours, calling up the worst people you know to do an atrocity on your enemies.
This admittedly is fucking hilarious to imagine in a mostly Iconoclastic government, tbh. Real Modern Democracy hours, calling up the worst people you know to do an atrocity on your enemies.
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Worth its wight in GOLD I tell you.
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[X] Chosen Leaders And Dedicated Caretakers
Worth a shot. For the Star Child!
Worth a shot. For the Star Child!
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With the current set up being "Self-Governance - Version 0.1 Alpha." I'm cool with either Heretical or Iconoclast winning but I really wanna get the Iconoclast Fanatic so we can get that immunity to minor Chaos Corruption. That would make things so much easier when fighting chaos. Imagine a world where minor chaotic mimetic attacks wouldn't be a problem.
That's really my main concern when it comes to governance systems. Chaos corruption is so bad that it makes me understand the lengths the Imperium goes to handle it.
Since this just an alpha build governance can be built down the line to be more robust and open then the Imperium's so I'm just voting to get that Iconoclast buff.
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That's really my main concern when it comes to governance systems. Chaos corruption is so bad that it makes me understand the lengths the Imperium goes to handle it.
Since this just an alpha build governance can be built down the line to be more robust and open then the Imperium's so I'm just voting to get that Iconoclast buff.
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