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Touhou: Scarlet Devil M̶a̶n̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ Mafia

Should Day 2 be extended by another twenty-four hours?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 83.3%

  • No

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Total voters
    12
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End of Night 5/Start of Day 6
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    • The party of nine from where they had entered in the night comes out to a party of seven, all of them looking as two more of their numbers have vanished. And so like every night prior, the two missing are revealed.



    The first is revealed as Reisen Inaba, Moon Rabbit on Earth (@Shalmoa), who 'died' from a Knock on the Head.



    The second is revealed as Alice Margatroid, Seven-Colored Puppet Master (@dinomannitro6), who 'died' from being Knocked Out In A Closet.

    And a message is left upon the table to read.

    Reevals needed on Walker's flip
    Everyone needs progressions now IMO
    Hobo's vote NAI even if late due to self-pres
    Other votes probably won't get good info at this point
    Not sure if absences are notable right now (Dino/Comi, YP to a lesser extent)
    Figure one more affordable miss ATM but needs serious discussion given game length
    Probably makes it a good spot to fill out claim space
    Wiadi, Comi, Atoms are the only unclaimed ATM
    Atoms can clear with N5 Town kill, Wiadi/Comi mech-locked out of Odd-Night TKP
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    And so the seven members of the party begin the sixth day…

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    • I do not perceive a world where scum hasn't put together that the multiple days of mentioning of a weird RB, is this delay based RB. So I will confirm that night 1 Logos(Me) was delayed.

    I feel the delayer was a town "RBer", based off of targeting, though I admit that Dino I think is an iffy selection but, night 1 I couldn't have killed, Night 2 Byzantine couldn't have killed, and if we believe Dino is truthful, Dino couldn't have killed. This isn't as helpful as I wish but its on the board.

    For now since I was wrong about Nopeguy, back to my next more suspect player as I continue to consider this situation that I'm not as confident in as I was yesterday... scum with more than one kill is gross.

    [X] Vote Cyricubed
     
    (Also please note EoD is going to suck for me schedule-wise so if you want to build a wagon on me fairly, please consider starting it at least 24 hours before EoD. If, however, you just want to dunk my slot, feel free to wait longer. I will absolutely judge, but it's only fair!)
     
    -Rosen was doctored, so either there's a scum doctor or Shal is clear.

    Admittedly, a scum doc is more likely in this game than most due to my role. But it's still unlikely.
     
    Shalmoa said:
    Okay, I was wrong, strongman is 100% not dead, or I'm in the wine of a bunch of different possible quiet actions affecting me. I am preferring to believe the simple option that my read on the strongman being dead was garbage.
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    Young Pyromancer said:
    -Rosen was doctored, so either there's a scum doctor or Shal is clear.

    Admittedly, a scum doc is more likely in this game than most due to my role. But it's still unlikely.
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    Shalmoa, explain?
     
    Shalmoa said:
    Oh, I'd argue that it's more than that. It's actually so bad I kinda want to just drop the idea of pushing dino right now because I'd rather it be a viable EoD wagon than something I have to sit and gripe about all day and then people will complain about things getting stale and terrible and awful and then it won't actually have any chance of happening.

    [x] Vote A Wild Hermit

    @A Wild Hermit: GTH, find me a scum that isn't dino, and then tell me why they're bad. It can be me, I don't mind, just not dino.
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    Sure. In what world is someone who had four LHF in his PoE Day 3 in Post #2208 automatically town cleared? Give me the speech about being Town Aligned please, because it is NAI for anyone to solve claims towards LHF like that while giving out mehs for everyone else. It's really easy to prove someone's guilt when they don't know how to say anything back.

    Question for everyone else: How many scum do you think are left? Two or three?
     
    Shalmoa said:
    Okay, I was wrong, strongman is 100% not dead, or I'm in the wine of a bunch of different possible quiet actions affecting me. I am preferring to believe the simple option that my read on the strongman being dead was garbage.
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    Young Pyromancer said:
    -Rosen was doctored, so either there's a scum doctor or Shal is clear.

    Admittedly, a scum doc is more likely in this game than most due to my role. But it's still unlikely.
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    Also, these two statements are really funny together. Because it seems to me like Shalmoa pre-empted claiming that he doctored Ori and then YP followed up by saying that no, -Rosen was doctored. I have a very simple solution to this, but I want to hear Shalmoa's response first.
     
    Byzantine said:
    A cheerlead could, but all of mine are accounted for.

    Multi kill nights with a single scum team are not particularly rare in a game this large.
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    Understood. Thank you again. See, I'm just trying to figure out how in the world Ori's bomb didn't go off. It could've been fake this entire time. A townie could've visited him. Maf could've found a way to still kill while still visiting him.

    Hmmmmm.... You see, I hate that Shal claimed redirector / transporter. Because there's a very simple way to solve this question, and it's: Hello! Did anyone visit Shalmoa last night? You don't have to say what you did, you only have to say that you did visit him.

    But it's weird to me. Because there was a bomb on him last night. If this theoretical re-director / transporter was town, then why re-direct a doctor? And if this theoretical re-director / transporter was Mafia, why target Shalmoa when he dies that night? A lot of weird questions.
     
    Byzantine said:
    That bit, at least, is easy: why not doctor town you know you won't be targeting that night for town cred?

    If there's a town JOAT now is the time to claim.
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    Unless we believe there are two JoATs, Ori's claim already kinda went in this direction Yesterday, no? I need to find the post but I'm pretty sure she claimed "a weird kind of joat" or something along those lines, so I guess it could open the door to a second one, but I doubt if Shal was on target then a second doctoring was her doing -- not with what her three confirmed actions look like up to this point.

    At the same time, I just don't think Scum!Shal plays a lie like that with YP's action still pending at the time the Doc Ori action was outed. Quiet transporter is out of the question because then YP would have swapped to Ori, seeing the kill instead. I'm not sure a Redirect exists in this game either, without seeing any action fuckery up until this point.

    I'm kinda left in a tough spot of "do I believe Scum!Shal made a poor play, or do I think another Doc action exists, if only for this Night?" I'm not sure I have a good explanation either way.
     
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    Young Pyromancer said:
    -Rosen was doctored, so either there's a scum doctor or Shal is clear.

    Admittedly, a scum doc is more likely in this game than most due to my role. But it's still unlikely.
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    Do you think there would be any chance of both existing?

    We've seen 2KP from Town so far so I'm not sure that's out of the question yet.
     
    -Rosen said:
    Unless we believe there are two JoATs, Ori's claim already kinda went in this direction Yesterday, no? I need to find the post but I'm pretty sure she claimed "a weird kind of joat" or something along those lines, so I guess it could open the door to a second one, but I doubt if Shal was on target then a second doctoring was her doing -- not with what her three confirmed actions look like up to this point.
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    A scum-joat is entirely reasonable, though two town ones is unlikely I agree.

    -Rosen said:
    At the same time, I just don't think Scum!Shal plays a lie like that with YP's action still pending at the time the Doc Ori action was outed. Quiet transporter is out of the question because then YP would have swapped to Ori, seeing the kill instead. I'm not sure a Redirect exists in this game either, without seeing any action fuckery up until this point.
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    I'd have expected scum to steal my cheerlead if a redirect was in play tbh.
     
    A Wise Hermit said:
    Understood. Thank you again. See, I'm just trying to figure out how in the world Ori's bomb didn't go off. It could've been fake this entire time. A townie could've visited him. Maf could've found a way to still kill while still visiting him.
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    My general mindset is that, with all the talk around leaving Shal to die during Day 3, Ori probably made the saving visit herself. In my headspace I probably would have done it myself if I were capable of doing so.

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    Hmmmmm.... You see, I hate that Shal claimed redirector / transporter. Because there's a very simple way to solve this question, and it's: Hello! Did anyone visit Shalmoa last night? You don't have to say what you did, you only have to say that you did visit him.

    But it's weird to me. Because there was a bomb on him last night. If this theoretical re-director / transporter was town, then why re-direct a doctor? And if this theoretical re-director / transporter was Mafia, why target Shalmoa when he dies that night? A lot of weird questions.
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    The even simpler answer to this question is an extension of the above IMO -- Ori probably made the saving visit, and IMO the only way Shal's action doesn't go unhindered is if Ori's saving visit just so happened to be a quiet redirection over to me. I have my doubts just based on how many things need to be true about Ori specifically for it to work.
     
    Byzantine said:
    That bit, at least, is easy: why not doctor town you know you won't be targeting that night for town cred?

    If there's a town JOAT now is the time to claim.
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    Wasn't Ori JoaT? It's not implausible that Ori healed -Rosen yeah?

    Regardless Shalmoa being alive is something of an oddity given I know I didn't visit them, out of claims so far no one has visited them, and yet they are alive which indicates scum kept them alive somehow? At least that is my working theory.

    -Rosen said:
    At the same time, I just don't think Scum!Shal plays a lie like that with YP's action still pending at the time the Doc Ori action was outed. Quiet transporter is out of the question because then YP would have swapped to Ori, seeing the kill instead. I'm not sure a Redirect exists in this game either, without seeing any action fuckery up until this point.

    I'm kinda left in a tough spot of "do I believe Scum!Shal made a poor play, or do I think another Doc action exists, if only for this Night?" I'm not sure I have a good explanation either way.
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    YP would've seen the transport even if quiet yeah? Unless transport would also be quiet AND ninja which is something of an incredibly strong power against what we've seen us have so far.
     
    I guess there is also the possibility that Shal is just Scum!Doctor in the first place and targets Ori knowing the action gets bricked with a Strongarm anyway. I'd need to evaluate again to see if I like that idea but I really need to do Cyri first (sometime today I promise :V)
     
    You see, I'm willing to vote Shal in simply because he was supposed to resolve last night, and somehow, he didn't. This is funny, because his death would resolve two slots outright.

    I apologize deeply for not being able to articulate this better with mechanical evidence, but after our PoE closed over Nanimani yesterday and she flipped green, I stated in post #2108 that this wouldn't be an easy game if she flipped green. Why? Because it meant that we had a Power / Deep Wolf Dream team. This game isn't as simple as "We vote out all of the LHF and then the path to victory opens to us," it's a game of "The wolf team convinces us to vote out all of the LHF and bad logic players during the day and then kills everyone else during the night."

    I mean, I have one way to prove this theory, and the wolf team is being incredibly obvious right now. But I want to wait until prime time to say it.

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    My general mindset is that, with all the talk around leaving Shal to die during Day 3, Ori probably made the saving visit herself. In my headspace I probably would have done it myself if I were capable of doing so.
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    True. She did say that the result would be funny either way. And I completely agree with her. This was a very funny move, assuming that she could visit the afflicted person to remove their aliment. Makes sense, because you might see that you were wrong in your choice during day discussion and may want to stop it during the night.
     
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