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Should Day 2 be extended by another twenty-four hours?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 83.3%

  • No

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
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End of Night 5/Start of Day 6
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    • The party of nine from where they had entered in the night comes out to a party of seven, all of them looking as two more of their numbers have vanished. And so like every night prior, the two missing are revealed.



    The first is revealed as Reisen Inaba, Moon Rabbit on Earth (@Shalmoa), who 'died' from a Knock on the Head.



    The second is revealed as Alice Margatroid, Seven-Colored Puppet Master (@dinomannitro6), who 'died' from being Knocked Out In A Closet.

    And a message is left upon the table to read.

    Reevals needed on Walker's flip
    Everyone needs progressions now IMO
    Hobo's vote NAI even if late due to self-pres
    Other votes probably won't get good info at this point
    Not sure if absences are notable right now (Dino/Comi, YP to a lesser extent)
    Figure one more affordable miss ATM but needs serious discussion given game length
    Probably makes it a good spot to fill out claim space
    Wiadi, Comi, Atoms are the only unclaimed ATM
    Atoms can clear with N5 Town kill, Wiadi/Comi mech-locked out of Odd-Night TKP
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    And so the seven members of the party begin the sixth day…

    End of Day is at
     
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    • Byzantine said:
    Unfortunately it does follow the same logic as my RB from N2, so it would make sense.
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    Oh, I'd argue that it's more than that. It's actually so bad I kinda want to just drop the idea of pushing dino right now because I'd rather it be a viable EoD wagon than something I have to sit and gripe about all day and then people will complain about things getting stale and terrible and awful and then it won't actually have any chance of happening.

    [x] Vote A Wild Hermit

    @A Wild Hermit: GTH, find me a scum that isn't dino, and then tell me why they're bad. It can be me, I don't mind, just not dino.
     
    A Bunch Of Atoms said:
    I went back to look at this and they both say bump now.
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    Can confirm this -- appears to have just been a diction error in the kill flavor.

    Anyway I'm not auto-reading Dino bad for these results but N1 and N3 put together brings Scum!Watcher stocks up a fair bit from my perspective. Open to other interpretations if anyone disagrees though.
     
    Byzantine said:
    What was the logic behind picking YP? He seems like an odd choice for a watcher N1.
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    Outsourced my N1 pick to memes, it was either YP or Atoms.

    Young Pyromancer said:
    [X] Vote Churno
    It keeps staring at me. Sus behavior.
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    A Bunch Of Atoms said:
    Sus vote reasoning. What's wrong with being watched? You don't have something to hide, right?
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    There was enough activity with him I thought it was good enough for a N1
     
    Also I have been clarified it wasnt exactly a role Block, more a role Delay, so its a good thing I didn't reveal who I targeted
     
    Shalmoa said:
    Oh, I'd argue that it's more than that. It's actually so bad I kinda want to just drop the idea of pushing dino right now because I'd rather it be a viable EoD wagon than something I have to sit and gripe about all day and then people will complain about things getting stale and terrible and awful and then it won't actually have any chance of happening.
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    Sorry, I know you're wanting to leave this for later in the Day so I won't get into the weeds on it but basic pitch on why it's That Bad? Brain is slightly soup, long day.
     
    Wiadi said:
    Sorry, I know you're wanting to leave this for later in the Day so I won't get into the weeds on it but basic pitch on why it's That Bad? Brain is slightly soup, long day.
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    dinomannitro6 said:
    Also I have been clarified it wasnt exactly a role Block, more a role Delay, so its a good thing I didn't reveal who I targeted
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    Watcher claim with no targeting info and no good reason stated for delaying said targeting info, just letting it hide in the "I was RB'd" comment was, IMO, very sus.

    But now we've got a reason for delaying said targeting info. If I didn't know I wasn't teamed with dino, I'd suspect I was coaching dino, TBQH!
     
    Shalmoa said:
    Watcher claim with no targeting info and no good reason stated for delaying said targeting info, just letting it hide in the "I was RB'd" comment was, IMO, very sus.

    But now we've got a reason for delaying said targeting info. If I didn't know I wasn't teamed with dino, I'd suspect I was coaching dino, TBQH!
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    Frankly there's no reason to target Dino today anyway, there should be 3 scum left in probably 6 people, so just look at the other 5 and pin Dino to "pending".
     
    Shalmoa said:
    Watcher claim with no targeting info and no good reason stated for delaying said targeting info, just letting it hide in the "I was RB'd" comment was, IMO, very sus.

    But now we've got a reason for delaying said targeting info. If I didn't know I wasn't teamed with dino, I'd suspect I was coaching dino, TBQH!
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    I didn't say it at first because isnt it generally the case you dont want to give scum an idea of who you target? N1 was fine because that was mostly meme based so it gives less of who I target in serious mode
     
    Shalmoa said:
    :thonk:

    It's probably because I need sleep, but my gut and brain disagree strongly on this sentiment.
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    I can see that, and if we were down to 1 scum, or the likely barrel was larger I would think this logic was dumb. But with 3 left and dino potentially providing interesting info tomorrow we should aim in the relatively small barrel. Worst case Dino is actually scum, in which case we are shooting for 2/5, probably. But the info leak on the RB makes me suspect dino is actually town.
     
    Shalmoa said:
    TBH, that reasoning raises my evaluation of dino's slot significantly, though not necessarily above null.
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    I'm actually struggling with my evaluation a bit -- I don't like the reasoning when Watcher is highly liable to just find bad actors on high-value slots that early on. Using it on YP or Atoms feels like a waste.

    However, my question at that point becomes, would Scum even want to use such an action on one of those two so early? Scum'!Watcher mindset would be at least somewhat similar IMO, where they'd be looking specifically for anyone who has any visits at all, to give them some kind of fuzzy idea of who has powers in the first place. So on that note, I don't think Scum would willingly go in this direction.

    That leaves the idea that dino is just lying, and with this coming out so early in the Day? I have a hard time thinking that's the case. This presumes that Scum needs to try to play around a Town!RB against a Scum!dino -- assumption made here since why in Churno's name would Scum!RB put dino in this kind of position -- and in the event dino does get RB'ed, there needs to be a damn good explanation for the YP visit in the first place if lying about the real target was in the cards.

    With that in mind, and having typed all this out myself, I just...don't see this being bad for dino, honestly? Sure, I heavily disagree with the Town application of such an action, but the Scum application of this progression makes so little sense that I have a really hard time seeing it be the case.
     
    Byzantine said:
    I can see that, and if we were down to 1 scum, or the likely barrel was larger I would think this logic was dumb. But with 3 left and dino potentially providing interesting info tomorrow we should aim in the relatively small barrel. Worst case Dino is actually scum, in which case we are shooting for 2/5, probably. But the info leak on the RB makes me suspect dino is actually town.
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    I mean I can see that too, but I still don't like just writing dino off as a wagon today when we're not even 2 hours into the day. :V
     
    Shalmoa said:
    I mean I can see that too, but I still don't like just writing dino off as a wagon today when we're not even 2 hours into the day. :V
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    I'm just putting a pin on it till we have more. Not necessarily saying he definitely should be the vote today, just that I don't think it's the direction we want to focus today unless someone has info otherwise.
     
    Byzantine said:
    I'm just putting a pin on it till we have more. Not necessarily saying he definitely should be the vote today, just that I don't think it's the direction we want to focus today unless someone has info otherwise.
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    I mean I said the same thing before we even got the rest of the claim, although I was definitely holding a dagger behind my back while doing my best yandere impression while saying it.
     
    -Rosen said:
    Anyway I'm not auto-reading Dino bad for these results but N1 and N3 put together brings Scum!Watcher stocks up a fair bit from my perspective. Open to other interpretations if anyone disagrees though.
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    So yeah disregard this one from me -- deeper thinking about it has me completely disagreeing with my original take lol
     
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