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its game changing?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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There is a non-zero chance that we'll see hostile abyssal unleashed by outsiders at some point. At least it wouldn't surprise me if there were already Black Court elders looking.
And yet, on the balance, this is still better than, say, two hundred years ago.
Okay Uju going down the list Mad Is essentially if I'm going down. I'm taking you with me. Because Nukes flying means The End of the F***ing World no matter which side of the world. They're on even if the other side decides not to if someone unleashes a nuclear Arsenal of a major nuclear power. That's it, the world is over. It's global nuclear winter time mass starvation it's fucked. I'm not gonna say the exalted. Can't be small-minded, but think about the examples. You just gave me fool's conned by rich People to vote against their own interest so governed by small concerns that someone might benefit that They Refuse to take what is theirs. People who hold their value of their life so low that not even in a abbysal exultation would take them. Apathetic people that hold such great Ego that they think killing defenseless people is a way to show their strength. That they mean something. You know what all these examples have In common, they're all replaceable. They're not skilled in ability or attribute. They are the mass of humanity. The kind of people that exultation definitively picks against.
Goldfish
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I would say so. On top of being able to completely mask our supernatural presence from anything short of a Wizard's Sight, being able to take on the appearance of anyone we wish to at a moment's notice, or simply change our own appearance to suit any given situation, basically opens up the world to us.
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Hmm I see some good points but we're more reactionary than proactive. Man I want to go ham with cyberdemons or was it cyberdevils and throw them in so much shit and get an absurd spying ring.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I dont think anyone ever said that. You need to stop looking at them like Exalts and look at them like humans. The way people live, and handle adversity are entirely different. I still think your applying your common sense to people it may not at all apply to.
We also need to burn Crown questions asking what Odin, Winter, and Summer know about Exalted. Not to mention the prison with the rogue faction in Molly's Hell apparently has some lore at least lying in there. We have a lot of things to do.
1) Plot.
Nothing Im aware of in the greater story suggests that individual Outsiders have the metapysical weight and magical might to be multiversal.
2) If you ask me? Splintered Gale + Inner Devil Unchained.
Two hundred years or more ago, the ability of individuals to affect the world were more limited.
Genghis Khan could get pissed and genocide a city, or Wallenstein could murder Magdeburg without wrecking the world.
POTUS or Putin or Xi gets pissed, and we could all be reenacting Mad Max. Or worse.
Great power means greater opportunity for fuckups, both by mistake and malice.
And a Celestial Exalt has a lot of power.
The Exalted are as petty as everyone else.
I could start going through the named Exalts of Ex2, but I frankly dont have the time.
The principle is the same, if your full existence and its full power, entering the world just means you instantly die, you do not have it. You first priority is to either alter the universe to allow you to fully enter, or find a loophole in the universe that will allow you to bring your full power in. And the proven best to defeat a fortified area, is to get a traitor to open the gate for you to get in bypassing the defenses entirely.
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In fairness to power the mothers mere presence on earth destabilizes reality fairly sure there are outsiders greater than them.
What does splintered gale + inner devil unchained do?
What does splintered gale + inner devil unchained do?
Actually... Archive is one of the very few beings with an intellectus comparable to ours. So...
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-[X] As an gesture of good faith burn Archive as a focus to ask for a list of all hostile plots against Archive (unless she has a better suggestion), and give those to her.
The answer to "the more advanced we become the greater the danger to the world is" is not to stop advancing, or to regress. In order of increasing potential danger, a supervulcano eruption, a large asteroid impact, a gamma ray burst, and a false vacuum collapse don't care how advanced we are, unless we are advanced enough to survive them. The only way to ensure survival in a hostile universe is to keep advancing. Anything else is a delayed suicide.
The world isn't pure PvP, it's PvPvE.
[X] [FULL DISCLOSURE]: Explain your crown and its limitations
-[X] As an gesture of good faith burn Archive as a focus to ask for a list of all hostile plots against Archive (unless she has a better suggestion), and give those to her.
And yes, the world is better, kinder, and more stable right now than it was 200 years ago. And not just because of our technological advancements.
The answer to "the more advanced we become the greater the danger to the world is" is not to stop advancing, or to regress. In order of increasing potential danger, a supervulcano eruption, a large asteroid impact, a gamma ray burst, and a false vacuum collapse don't care how advanced we are, unless we are advanced enough to survive them. The only way to ensure survival in a hostile universe is to keep advancing. Anything else is a delayed suicide.
The world isn't pure PvP, it's PvPvE.
What common sense that the people chosen to be exalted or fated to be so Aren't chumps who can't see 5 feet from their face. Unskilled replaceable lumps from the mass of humanity That exaltation specifically chooses against.
@uju32 Which ones from Ex2 do want to go over Lyta So racked by great curse that she Can't fathom The people that she lived were entire life lives with As anything Other than servants.
How about The bull Who takes the coalition of tribes and turns them into a northeastern empire. Or maybe you mean the lunars The ones we see so racked with mutation and great curse that they can barely tell Their hands are on straight anymore. Or maybe the one with super depression who lives at the bottom of the ocean.
What do you mean havesh I know he was a popular punching bag because well. He's squandered his potential instead of fighting the caste system or doing anything. He decided to sleep with rich people's wives. Or maybe you mean panther you know a ex gladiator who goes around Freeing slaves.
Which From that edition do you wanna talk about The ones racked with a curse that no longer exists The ones that squandered their potential or the ones that will go to the potential and where heroes and normal people of Bronze age time.
You know what they all had in common none of them are replaceable Koneko Is a venerable elder in a place where men die young with a head for strategy. Panther is someone who saw this stadiums and screens and turned away to live a new life. Lyta martial arts prodigy who manages to escape the blessed aisle. Havesh, a skilled theif and assassin who refuses to become more when given a chance.
None of them are Mediocre, they could aspire to be more or not, but none of them were ordinary or could be confused for someone who wasn't going places. Even if those places were low in the case of the night caste havesh.
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@uju32 Which ones from Ex2 do want to go over Lyta So racked by great curse that she Can't fathom The people that she lived were entire life lives with As anything Other than servants.
How about The bull Who takes the coalition of tribes and turns them into a northeastern empire. Or maybe you mean the lunars The ones we see so racked with mutation and great curse that they can barely tell Their hands are on straight anymore. Or maybe the one with super depression who lives at the bottom of the ocean.
What do you mean havesh I know he was a popular punching bag because well. He's squandered his potential instead of fighting the caste system or doing anything. He decided to sleep with rich people's wives. Or maybe you mean panther you know a ex gladiator who goes around Freeing slaves.
Which From that edition do you wanna talk about The ones racked with a curse that no longer exists The ones that squandered their potential or the ones that will go to the potential and where heroes and normal people of Bronze age time.
You know what they all had in common none of them are replaceable Koneko Is a venerable elder in a place where men die young with a head for strategy. Panther is someone who saw this stadiums and screens and turned away to live a new life. Lyta martial arts prodigy who manages to escape the blessed aisle. Havesh, a skilled theif and assassin who refuses to become more when given a chance.
None of them are Mediocre, they could aspire to be more or not, but none of them were ordinary or could be confused for someone who wasn't going places. Even if those places were low in the case of the night caste havesh.
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While there may not be detail given within the story itself. Outside material from Butcher indicates that there are individual outsiders who have the metaphysical and magical might to be multiversal such as to match Uriel themselves. Such as for example below.
Which is fundamentally made worse by the fact there are even more powerful outsider entities within the outside. Since HWWB is for example the right hand man of Lord of Slowest Terror, who is most likely even more powerful than them as seen by the dynamic with supernatural entities where the servant is usually weaker than the master. Like with Lea and Mab.
Therefore they should hopefully be singular entities with no differing variations like with Mab and Odin, since they already operate on a similar level such as Uriel, just with differing rules and restrictions applying for them such as possibly only limited fragments being allowed to enter reality.
While there may not be detail given within the story itself. Outside material from Butcher indicates that there are individual outsiders who have the metaphysical and magical might to be multiversal such as to match Uriel themselves. Such as for example below.
Which is fundamentally made worse by the fact there are even more powerful outsider entities within the outside. Since HWWB is for example the right hand man of Lord of Slowest Terror, who is most likely even more powerful than them as seen by the dynamic with supernatural entities where the servant is usually weaker than the master. Like with Lea and Mab.
Therefore they should hopefully be singular entities with no differing variations like with Mab and Odin, since they already operate on a similar level such as Uriel, just with differing rules and restrictions applying for them such as possibly only limited fragments being allowed to enter reality.
dragon
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I think we should go for full disclosure.
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Okay, hear me out. First, there's a lot of crown questions we'd like to use on the archive. But she might feel us pulling information from her. If she knows then she's not automatically resisting that.
The archive is also the one most likely to figure out what's going on with Molly even if we tell her nothing, just from other people figuring it out. On the flip side, she's best placed to inform us if we have a leak somewhere.
She can also use her intellectus to point us to focuses we have trouble getting our hands on. Which is one of our primary limitations.
It's also a point of connection that she's not going to have with anyone else. Ancient past life knowledge, intellectual giving lots of information man was meant to know. That's a better starting point for friendship than anyone has with her.
And really, Molly is trying to befriend Maeve. I think Maeve is both more likely to betray us and less useful.
Unlike the white council or fae courts, archives faction doesn't have traitors. If we're good with her then we don't have to worry about people spreading our information without her say so.
[X] [FULL DISCLOSURE]: Explain your crown and its limitations
Okay, hear me out. First, there's a lot of crown questions we'd like to use on the archive. But she might feel us pulling information from her. If she knows then she's not automatically resisting that.
The archive is also the one most likely to figure out what's going on with Molly even if we tell her nothing, just from other people figuring it out. On the flip side, she's best placed to inform us if we have a leak somewhere.
She can also use her intellectus to point us to focuses we have trouble getting our hands on. Which is one of our primary limitations.
It's also a point of connection that she's not going to have with anyone else. Ancient past life knowledge, intellectual giving lots of information man was meant to know. That's a better starting point for friendship than anyone has with her.
And really, Molly is trying to befriend Maeve. I think Maeve is both more likely to betray us and less useful.
Unlike the white council or fae courts, archives faction doesn't have traitors. If we're good with her then we don't have to worry about people spreading our information without her say so.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Splintered gale allows us to make loyal Molly clones.
Inner devil unchained let's us awaken and bind people's dark sides giving them superpowers. It also has bad side effects, but that isn't a problem for them so long as they serve us loyally.
OctarineShrike
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[X] [FULL DISCLOSURE]: Explain your crown and its limitations
-[X] As an gesture of good faith burn Archive as a focus to ask for a list of all hostile plots against Archive (unless she has a better suggestion), and give those to her.
-[X] As an gesture of good faith burn Archive as a focus to ask for a list of all hostile plots against Archive (unless she has a better suggestion), and give those to her.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Resist? We are asking the Storyteller there is no way someone inside of a story can resist us asking the Storyteller questions. Now maybe the Archive's own broken divination will allow her to tell what we did, but there is no way she can block it. Or well the Storyteller can make up whatever he wants I guess, but that would be making stuff up.
While intensely studying an object, situation, or individual that is within her line of sight, the Infernal may spend 1 Essence and ask one question about it, which the Storyteller must answer honestly. The Infernal can only ever use this power a single time on any object, situation, or individual. When the character's anima is flaring, great staring eyes open within its emerald flames, and the Infernal becomes impossible to ambush or strike with an unexpected attack, even if her foe is invisible.
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dragon
Ancalagon the Black
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At the least, she would have more awareness. Which risks making her hostile if she doesn't know what's going on.
As it is, it just isn't worth using the archive as a focus because she might feel it.
I think there's more reward than risk here.
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Specifically you can also give Fomori powers to SGI!Molly since she is 'as human as the exalt sans exaltation', so would be a target for being made Fomori. Narrative-wise that is binding dark spirits that originate with Molly to Molly so you are in the clear.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Good thing you said that SGI!Molly get the passive effects of Molly charms* because Inner devil unchained is explicitly very painful and we might want to roll the dice multiple times to get the best combo.
*Like By Pain Reforged which is a extremely fitting name for the situation. Also Ox body which has the flavor text of "The Infernal's flesh is fortified with the power to survive the very tortures of Hell.". And Scar-Writ Saga Shield. In general Molly just has a weird relationship with pain.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Not to dismiss your aurgument or anything(really) but you need to use paragraphs if you want people to read your post. Right now its just a wall of text and those are kind of difficult to read for a lot of people, me included.
Also use the @ function or quote people so they know who you are talking to, if the thread is moving fast whoever your addressing may miss your post entirely.
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You are misreading that IMO. I thought the same thing before going back to look at the books.
Similar to Uriel = Performs the same role for the Outsiders that Uriel does. Occupies the same position(s).
Thats not the same thing as being a peer of Uriel. Because, we've actually had Dresden look a greater Walker in the eye during Cold Days and determine that, at best, they would hard cap at Mab. At best.
Kringle and the Erlking and the Wild Hunt would not nut up against a Uriel-peer, the way they did against Sharkface and his posse during Cold Days.
Molly has told neither Maeve, nor Lily, nor Mab about her Crown.
I dont see a particular reason to tell the Archive.
She does not have a need to know.
And even if she did, Kincaid sure as fuck does not.
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Silvereagle21
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-[X] Hint that there is more you can't say presently and ask for a soul visit from the archive, at her earliest convenience.
I dislike the "things are more likely to go wrong, because natural allies chose to not share important intelligence affecting both of them" trope, but I dislike going full sunk cost fallacy about bad security even more.
Back then we didn't have the option, now we do. Maybe somebody we don't want to already knows. But maybe they don't. Maybe we got lucky, or just had fewer eyes on us back then.
All I know is that it would be incredibly silly to lose the secret of our crown just because we assumed it might already be lost.
[X] [MEDIUM DISCLOSURE]
-[X] Hint that there is more you can't say presently and ask for a soul visit from the archive, at her earliest convenience.
I dislike the "things are more likely to go wrong, because natural allies chose to not share important intelligence affecting both of them" trope, but I dislike going full sunk cost fallacy about bad security even more.
Back then we didn't have the option, now we do. Maybe somebody we don't want to already knows. But maybe they don't. Maybe we got lucky, or just had fewer eyes on us back then.
All I know is that it would be incredibly silly to lose the secret of our crown just because we assumed it might already be lost.
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Why would it say power level and not role then? Also you know we could be dealing with fragments or less than full power? We already have examples of powerful beings having their power limited when in the world.