fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
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Is there a Calibration in WoD?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
It's interesting that CCG can't go to our hell because it's too far away, but it can punch its way out of Creation entirely.
That has some interesting implications about where Molly's is extruding into. I'd have thought her nearest neighbors would be the thousand hells, but I doubt they're further from the mortal world than the Outside.
Yes. If you are uniquely vulnerable to something splendors cannot make you immune, they just make you no longer as weak
No, but there used to be one in Exalted is what I meant, magic that invokes a set period of reality going strange works to a finer degree than making things up as you go along
That is more than Outside is a bigger target. If you could aim the gate into your own soul it would work at that as well, but in such a way as would provoke an immune response from your own exaltation. It is something Molly instinctively does not want to do.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
What if we open the gate from inside our hell pointing at earth?
Would still ping metaphysical danger senses, it is a passage into the heart of Molly's being not under the control of her inherent charms.
[X] Plan Exalted Effort
-[X] Use two foci to make a 3 dot splendor (Mystically fortified Protection against Possession, Mind Control, and Iron)
--[X] Head of Arianna Ortega (6th Generation Equivalent)
--[X] Red Court Elder Corpse (7th generation equivalent)
-[X] Use the foci for Crown questions before using them for crafting
--[X] Arianna: Where are the gods that this one stolen from held?
--[X] Red Court Elder: List of all covert Red Court agents
-[X] STUNT: The form the charm takes under your hands is a that of a small, burrowing owl carved out of a single piece of bone, so intricate as to seem alive and ready to take flight at any moment. The talisman, and it is clear that this is more than a mere decoration, hangs from a triple strand chain, links of your brass, summer fae gold, and human iron weaving around themselves in an alien facsimile of DNA, interlacing and reinforcing each other, all existing in perfect inseparable harmony. If one was to count them, there's precisely 125 links in each strand, threes and fives of Fates invoked together.
--[X] Talisman Mechanics: 3 Dot Adornment Splendor: Form of Dreams and Nightmares, Form of Portentous Moonlight, Form of Steadfast Earth, Sacred Protection, Mystic Fortification (-2 DC on Willpower rolls to resist possession or mind-control including multi-element attacks).
-[X] Use two foci to make a 3 dot splendor (Mystically fortified Protection against Possession, Mind Control, and Iron)
--[X] Head of Arianna Ortega (6th Generation Equivalent)
--[X] Red Court Elder Corpse (7th generation equivalent)
-[X] Use the foci for Crown questions before using them for crafting
--[X] Arianna: Where are the gods that this one stolen from held?
--[X] Red Court Elder: List of all covert Red Court agents
-[X] STUNT: The form the charm takes under your hands is a that of a small, burrowing owl carved out of a single piece of bone, so intricate as to seem alive and ready to take flight at any moment. The talisman, and it is clear that this is more than a mere decoration, hangs from a triple strand chain, links of your brass, summer fae gold, and human iron weaving around themselves in an alien facsimile of DNA, interlacing and reinforcing each other, all existing in perfect inseparable harmony. If one was to count them, there's precisely 125 links in each strand, threes and fives of Fates invoked together.
--[X] Talisman Mechanics: 3 Dot Adornment Splendor: Form of Dreams and Nightmares, Form of Portentous Moonlight, Form of Steadfast Earth, Sacred Protection, Mystic Fortification (-2 DC on Willpower rolls to resist possession or mind-control including multi-element attacks).
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
My vote was counted without the stunt so it showed up at the very bottom.
[X] Plan Exalted Effort
-[X] Use two foci to make a 3 dot splendor (Mystically fortified Protection against Possession, Mind Control, and Iron)
--[X] Head of Arianna Ortega (6th Generation Equivalent)
--[X] Red Court Elder Corpse (7th generation equivalent)
-[X] Use the foci for Crown questions before using them for crafting
--[X] Arianna: Where are the gods that this one stolen from held?
--[X] Red Court Elder: List of all covert Red Court agents
-[X] STUNT: The form the charm takes under your hands is a that of a small, burrowing owl carved out of a single piece of bone, so intricate as to seem alive and ready to take flight at any moment. The talisman, and it is clear that this is more than a mere decoration, hangs from a triple strand chain, links of your brass, summer fae gold, and human iron weaving around themselves in an alien facsimile of DNA, interlacing and reinforcing each other, all existing in perfect inseparable harmony. If one was to count them, there's precisely 125 links in each strand, threes and fives of Fates invoked together.
--[X] Talisman Mechanics: 3 Dot Adornment Splendor: Form of Dreams and Nightmares, Form of Portentous Moonlight, Form of Steadfast Earth, Sacred Protection, Mystic Fortification (-2 DC on Willpower rolls to resist possession or mind-control including multi-element attacks).
[X] Plan Exalted Effort
-[X] Use two foci to make a 3 dot splendor (Mystically fortified Protection against Possession, Mind Control, and Iron)
--[X] Head of Arianna Ortega (6th Generation Equivalent)
--[X] Red Court Elder Corpse (7th generation equivalent)
-[X] Use the foci for Crown questions before using them for crafting
--[X] Arianna: Where are the gods that this one stolen from held?
--[X] Red Court Elder: List of all covert Red Court agents
-[X] STUNT: The form the charm takes under your hands is a that of a small, burrowing owl carved out of a single piece of bone, so intricate as to seem alive and ready to take flight at any moment. The talisman, and it is clear that this is more than a mere decoration, hangs from a triple strand chain, links of your brass, summer fae gold, and human iron weaving around themselves in an alien facsimile of DNA, interlacing and reinforcing each other, all existing in perfect inseparable harmony. If one was to count them, there's precisely 125 links in each strand, threes and fives of Fates invoked together.
--[X] Talisman Mechanics: 3 Dot Adornment Splendor: Form of Dreams and Nightmares, Form of Portentous Moonlight, Form of Steadfast Earth, Sacred Protection, Mystic Fortification (-2 DC on Willpower rolls to resist possession or mind-control including multi-element attacks).
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
We should bring Olivia with us to Las Vegas. After all she is magical stealthy as well and has been training with alien guns.
Of course we aren't actually bringing her to fight, but help us with leg work. You just know that we are going to need to cover extra ground.
Of course we aren't actually bringing her to fight, but help us with leg work. You just know that we are going to need to cover extra ground.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
You go and argue in a tied vote for someone to make a plan on par with yours using the opposing plan's idea as a base and for some reason you don't mention that that could split the vote that is tied with yours and let your vote win?
Fine I'll do, but I'm not splitting the vote I already voted for.
[X] Tears of the Summer Lady
[X] Plan Red Adamantinum
-[X] Use two foci to make a 3 dot splendor (Mystically fortified Protection against Possession, Mind Control, and Iron)
--[X] Tears of the Summer Lady
--[X] Red Court Elder Corpse (7th generation equivalent)
-[X] Use the foci for Crown questions before using them for crafting
--[X] Tears of the Summer Lady: List of conspirators whose conspiracy caused the previous owner of this stained piece of cloth to turn into the Summer Lady
--[X] Red Court Elder: List of all covert Red Court agents
-[X] STUNT: The form the charm takes under your hands is a that of a small, burrowing owl carved out of a single piece of bright red steel burning with an inner flame yet only conmofrtingly warm to the touch, so intricate as to seem alive and ready to take flight at any moment. The talisman, and it is clear that this is more than a mere decoration, hangs from a triple strand chain, links of your brass, summer fae gold, and human iron weaving around themselves in an alien facsimile of DNA, interlacing and reinforcing each other, all existing in perfect inseparable harmony. If one was to count them, there's precisely 125 links in each strand, threes and fives of Fates invoked together.
--[X] Talisman Mechanics: 3 Dot Adornment Splendor: Form of Dreams and Nightmares, Form of Portentous Moonlight, Form of Steadfast Earth, Sacred Protection, Mystic Fortification (-2 DC on Willpower rolls to resist possession or mind-control including multi-element attacks).
Edit: Fuck it going for broke even if I will probably lose:
Red Admantinum is an obscure fantasy metal that requires the tears of an unforgiven soulless being to be forged and bright red steel is crumbly and brittle if forged poorly and yet it is made into good quality modern steel if forged properly. This fits Lily and her situation to a T.
Edit 2: Approval voting for a modified version of my plan:
[X] Plan Red Adamantinum v.2
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I'm not sure if you'll believe me, but vote splitting wasn't part of my thought process at all. I was arguing solely based on the intended outcome - that a 3 dot splendor is much stronger than a 2 dot one. I realize that not all participants are interested in crafting, and so I tried to outline the main core differences and the reasoning why it was worthwhile to pursue it.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Rereading: Well we can manage it now. It's not a slap per say, but still bashing damage.
Interesting thought. I'll have an option for that in the vote.
And here I went and ran my mouth when the other vote was actually already winning:
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
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This edit has been added to my vote to give an explanation of my thought process for it.
That's a very interesting idea. We might want to equip her with a no-possession talisman first (a 1 dot splendor), but yes, that's an idea, if we are going for stealth
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
OK expanding on that whole Red Admantinum thing.
It's made of 4 pieces:
- Some sort of Admant/Adamantium/Adamantinum ore which is just a fancy name for a special blend of Iron ore historically that could produce steel in more primitive forges.
- Some sort of Essence of Eternal Fire
- Some sort of Demonic Essence/Blood
- Tears of an Unforgiven Soulless Being. The Unforgiven part is sometimes not used.
Bright red steel with an inner fire that is comfortably warm to the touch sounds like what we are trying to make to help Lily.
It's made of 4 pieces:
- Some sort of Admant/Adamantium/Adamantinum ore which is just a fancy name for a special blend of Iron ore historically that could produce steel in more primitive forges.
- Some sort of Essence of Eternal Fire
- Some sort of Demonic Essence/Blood
- Tears of an Unforgiven Soulless Being. The Unforgiven part is sometimes not used.
Bright red steel with an inner fire that is comfortably warm to the touch sounds like what we are trying to make to help Lily.
VOTE
[X] Tears of the Summer Lady
RATIONALE
You're gonna make things for a Fae Queen, use materials that are appropriately aligned.
She wept. Use those.
And keep the Red Court reagents in the refridgerator. We might actually need them against the Red Court;
The Red King has one named daughter, and we killed her. I dont have any idea if we will ever stumble across any other reagents that are so clearly linked to the head of state of a supernatural power like this.
Something that can be asked by visiting, or even finding a picture of any of the old temples of the MayaAztec pantheons and using that as a focus; Google says there's at least 200 of them. And thats not counting their authentic idols in museums.
Or using a picture of that artifact we let Seeker have as a focus.
You're just burning shit to burn shit at this point.
[X] Tears of the Summer Lady
RATIONALE
You're gonna make things for a Fae Queen, use materials that are appropriately aligned.
She wept. Use those.
And keep the Red Court reagents in the refridgerator. We might actually need them against the Red Court;
The Red King has one named daughter, and we killed her. I dont have any idea if we will ever stumble across any other reagents that are so clearly linked to the head of state of a supernatural power like this.
Why?
Something that can be asked by visiting, or even finding a picture of any of the old temples of the MayaAztec pantheons and using that as a focus; Google says there's at least 200 of them. And thats not counting their authentic idols in museums.
Or using a picture of that artifact we let Seeker have as a focus.
You're just burning shit to burn shit at this point.
This question is better addressed to me, since I proposed it. What w9uld you suggest as an alternative?
Also, we need multiple foci to mount a proper rescue operation for the gods. Where are they held, how are they guarded, what is their condition, etc. I doubt mundane desecrated temples will hell us much.
Counter-argument 1: mechanically, there's no difference, and Red Court heads are easier to get.
Counter-argument 2: even if you want to use tears, pushing for a 3 dot splendor is much, much better. For the cost of a single 1 dot splendor you get a result that's much more powerful.
Counter-argument that requires a ruling: @DragonParadox are reagent sets a thing, where a total of several components is more than the sum of its parts? Ie, for example, if we got a similar focus from Maeve, or if we gathered a lady-queen-mother set, would the total power of the foci be more than the sum of the separate power foci?
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Conceivably if you were making a manse or something else that is off your current scale, but as you are operating on now, no.
Yeah, thought so. I still would like my choices better for ease of acquisition, and because I am hoping we get to make large scale projects later
1)Why would we mount a rescue operation? Why is this even a priority?
Have you actually looked up the history of some of the Mayan Pantheon that were usurped? Or why noone intervened on their behalf when the Reds grabbed them? We certainly havent done the research IC.
They were not necessarily good people, nor is unleashing them on modern Mexican society necessarily a good thing.
2) Even if we wanted to? We are not mounting a rescue operation for the gods in the short to medium term.
Which means that whatever information this is will quite likely be obsolete by the time we actually have the ability to do anything about it. The setting is not static.
3) Like I said, short of getting our hands on the Red King himself, Arianna Ortega is possibly the highest tier Red Court information and sorcerous focus we are likely to get in the short to medium term, and there is a war on where that might be useful. Especially since Divination Magic is something thats up for us to learn.
Even the Lords of Outer Night are not likely to be as good links to the head of the Red Court as his own daughter is.
What you are suggesting is the magical equivalent of melting down boy-Pharoah Tutankhamun's mask for the gold it was made of.
Sure the gold is valuable.
But the gold is but a fraction of the market value of the artifact itself.
1) There is no mechanical difference between a 10 kilogram lump of gold and Tutankhamun's funerary mask.
Melted down, they have the same value.
That does not mean they are equivalent.
Similarly, all that it says it that Arianna's head can be melted down for X amount of magical mojo.
It makes no assignation to value of the head itself.
2) Red Court heads are easier to get, because making and replacing mooks is fairly straightforward for the Reds.
Red Court elder heads? Much less so.
It's telling that Morgan cutting down a Duke and two Counts was counted as a big deal in canon.
A low-generation equivalent Rampire elder is not exactly something you can find on a street corner; they didnt get to become elders by making a habit of putting themselves where you can stab them.
The one saving grace there is that most arent unique, and are more or less interchangeable.
Not like Arianna, daughter of the Red King is.
I dont especially agree. Not in this case.
There is such a thing as overdoing stuff, especially when it comes to the balance of power between two Fae Courts.
Besides, splendors are explicitly upgradeable.
There is nothing preventing you adding a feature to a 2-dot in the future if we are so inclined and get the resources/an appropriate reagent then.
As the QM has confirmed, not a medium term issue.
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As a way to cripple Red Court power in a way that doesn't necessarily produce immediate apocalyptic response. And yes, I realize that, at least by modern standards, mayan and aztec gods are most likely complete monsters. They are still unlikely to be worse than Red Court, and only saving good people from underserved eternal suffering is a slippery slope I don't like. Strategically, rescuing them gives us allies, or at least removes a power source from Red Court. Possibly removes a large part of their strategic magical capability, if they are piggy backing on stolen divinity.
Any Red Court elder should do for any strategic intelligence question about red Court, like a random warden netted us all the traitors in White Council. Unless you are suggesting reviving and interrogating her somehow, Arianna is only exceptionally valuable for stuff she, and not Red Court in general, participated in. And only for one question.
And I am still not seeing an alternative proposal. Simply letting her sit in the fridge is not using her for maximum benefit. And, even all that aside, if you are using Lily's tears, at least ask for the list of Nemesis-infected in Summer Court.
No, mechanically for the purpose of crafting, there's no difference. Arianna doesn't provide us a better focus for crafting red-court related splendor, and Lily's tears aren't providing us a better focus for this talisman. Unless I am wrong. @DragonParadox is there some sort of resonance here where Lily's tears would be more valuable / be able to provide a better reagent than normal when used for the kind of the talisman we are making?
There is overdoing things, but this is very much not the case here. The counter to overdoing things here (and getting Lily's favor), is making a similar thing for Maeve, and getting her gratitude too.
In this case I firmly believe that we should be pushing for maximum effort. Right now both Summer and Winter ladies are ill-suited for their roles, and there's no inherent mechanism to fixing the situation (or at least none that are morally acceptable to me). Thus, it falls to us to help.
But a long-term one. I very much want to try making a manse. The promised benefits are large enough that it's worth the effort, and this means starting to prepare and gather resources.
In terms of that the Spelndor would do on its own, no, it does what it says.
The implications are more political, if you use the tears it means you no longer have them as a focus for divination or general thaumaturgy, which would almost certainly make Molly look more reliable to the Summer Court. Using vampire bits on the other hand projects strength, 'look at what I have killed'. Also on a personal level Lilly might be more comfortable with the tears than the distilled bat-horror essence, but that is very much secondary to her desperate need to have something that allows her to hang on to who she is.
There is also the possibility that Lilly could eventually learn to use the Splendor for some kind of fey magic, but that is again in the long term, depends on how she wrangles her mantle and a whole lot of things Molly does not have the information to make a good guess at.