Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
 
We should consider what Molly is going to study in general. Political science? Some manner of STEM (engineering?)? History / psychology / anthropology?

But yes, one of the reasons I think we should go to Harvard is that it gives us access to Earthside recruits from both the faculty and students. Joining a sorority and setting it up to filter a never-ending stream of new talented teens to subvert seems like a grand idea.
We hardly have to content ourselves with students. Just get False Springs Beckons or VEE then look up professionals in their field who have serious health problems. Steven Hawking is still alive even.
 
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
 
We should consider what Molly is going to study in general. Political science? Some manner of STEM (engineering?)? History / psychology / anthropology?

But yes, one of the reasons I think we should go to Harvard is that it gives us access to Earthside recruits from both the faculty and students. Joining a sorority and setting it up to filter a never-ending stream of new talented teens to subvert seems like a grand idea.
I'd say political science or law, because we could use that as justification for dots in a few different things and essentially let the FCF telecommute through a through education on a slice of earth based legal and political stuff.
 
[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.


Approval voting doe contacting the grandparents. I'll get to that argument I started next.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Nov 15, 2023 at 10:42 PM, finished with 87 posts and 32 votes.
 
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
 
1)You evidently havent read the books.
Sympathy is a strong magical principle in this setting, as are blood relationships.
After the fetches kidnapped Molly in June, Dresden found Molly by using Charity as the focus.

And that was the entire plot of Changes.
Thats why Dresden's daughter was kidnapped, and it was also how the Red Court was destroyed when Dresden used the prepared ritual to kill the youngest Red Court vampire at the time.



2)You dont counter it.
You disrupt attempts to use people to work the ritual, but that requires that you know the potential victims that could be used.
McCoy didnt know that Maggie was a thing when the Red Court were trying to use her to kill him.

Actually countering something like that is probably outside Molly's current capabilities.
Maybe if we get Ancient Sorcery's Counterspell, but while it would counter any such ritual coming at Molly, I dont think it would counter stuff she wasnt present for.
Nah we can just use mortal sorcery dispels if we need to, those work against all magics and with our pool we would be ungodly good. Might need to buy them tho.
I'd say political science or law, because we could use that as justification for dots in a few different things and essentially let the FCF telecommute through a through education on a slice of earth based legal and political stuff.
Why are we spending AP on university. It doesn't seem worth it at all, its literally yeara long reduction in our actions.


Can we simply not just buy skills with exp if we need to.
 
[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied

Molly gave Charity a chance so no reason not to give the grandparents the same.
 
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
 
That was the result of a Mundane crazy who failed.

The Carpenters have that security stuff because of the whole god helps those who help themselves thing. They aren't the sort who expect god to hold their hands all day.

Even then, its worth noting how ridiculous it is that no assault on it has ever benefited the people to do so. That's so improbable it basically makes plot armor canon.

Actual Celestine level entities act as security in site, and follow them around out of the house. They aren't there on vacation.

At minimum Uriel is going to notice and send the knights after you for trying this shit.
I am reminded of rules lawyering done by Sidereal players. Since their perfect defenses work by fate on any deleterious or unwanted effect even if they are not actually aware of the attack the argument goes that they can therefore use Duck Fate to save any allies or mentors written on their character sheet.

Since obviously your allies dieing is a deleterious or unwanted effect.
 
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[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
 
Can we simply not just buy skills with exp if we need to.
I don't think that's a thing outside of char gen, you need an explanation for how you got the training.

Being an exalt covers for a lot, but some things are a touch out of scope.

The degree isn't the important part though, subverting the academic establishment and access to people through it are.

All the social skills in the world do not matter when you're not in the room and don't have a history. Being at a school like Harvard is how you get into the room to make impressions, to make the old boys club work for you.

This is especially important for Molly, because her social skills are almost exclusively based in small group direct relationships and information games. She'd go through that sort of network like a great white shark in an Olympic pool full of salmon.
 
I'd say political science or law, because we could use that as justification for dots in a few different things and essentially let the FCF telecommute through a through education on a slice of earth based legal and political stuff.
Not sure if law is worth it, at least as the primary area of education. Molly should have some understanding of it, and economics, both micro and macro, but she has people for minutae. Political science is probably the best bet. Alternatively, checking the list of Harvard undergraduate programs, folklore and mythology, or history in one of its form might work well.

In all truth, I think the best bet might be to talk to some of the professors (after vetting them), explain to them who and what we are (demonstrate the courts, and some of our powers, and in general lift the veil of the masquerade for them), and request a specialized custom-made course be assembled for us under the guise of political science. Because the education a god-empress head of super-advanced world state that acts as a warrior-queen / ambassador to feudal courts of immortal fae needs is different from the education a normal politician / activist needs. And I would assume that top world's academics would jump on the chance of participating in such an education. Even if they could only publish things related to it in several decades.
I don't think that's a thing outside of char gen, you need an explanation for how you got the training.

Being an exalt covers for a lot, but some things are a touch out of scope.
Fairly sure it was stated that, for things that aren't modern mortal magic or martial arts, which didn't and couldn't exist in the Age of Legends, Molly is mostly remembering and integrating half-forgotten excellencies of her exaltation's past life when buying Abilities. I.e. yes, we could buy dots in Politics right now, and it would be Molly having a dream about some abstract political science mental exercise her exaltation's previous wielder had, and that her current mind is interpreting.
Why are we spending AP on university. It doesn't seem worth it at all, its literally yeara long reduction in our actions.
University is not about education. It's about recruiting, and about alumni organizations, and about taking over the area. In four years (the time it normally takes to graduate, though I wouldn't mind graduating early), Molly, at the current rate of progress, will be E5, and thoroughly exceeding all mortal capabilities in all relevant fields. The time we spend in university is best spent setting up nets to recruit gifted Earth-side people, to slip our agents into mechanisms of power.
 
I don't think that's a thing outside of char gen, you need an explanation for how you got the training.

Being an exalt covers for a lot, but some things are a touch out of scope.

The degree isn't the important part though, subverting the academic establishment and access to people through it are.

All the social skills in the world do not matter when you're not in the room and don't have a history. Being at a school like Harvard is how you get into the room to make impressions, to make the old boys club work for you.

This is especially important for Molly, because her social skills are almost exclusively based in small group direct relationships and information games. She'd go through that sort of network like a great white shark in an Olympic pool full of salmon.
If our goal is to gain mortal world influence than we should be more focused on forming a megacorp. It has the benfit that being the owner of a megacorp gives you massive influence in poltics and business and it gives us access to transnational influence as well. As well as allowing us to do things like rolling out super tech computers that each usages prayer for a hypothetical god of the internet.

Harvard is hardly that merocratic so if we want to get the best and brightes. We probably need to build our own team of head hunters and sponsorship programs if we want to do that.


I just think it is not a worthwhile use of AP to go to college when we can be just gain those benfits through other routes.
 
[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
 
I just think it is not a worthwhile use of AP to go to college when we can be just gain those benfits through other routes.
Remember, the primary impetus behind Harvard thing is Odin trying to get us out of Chicago. And he's doing this for two reasons: prevent a massive war that might erupt due to us staking a claim and aggressively expanding, and to secure mystical Harvard territory (this is our incitement - an offer of mostly unprotected territory and resources, including Dragon Nests). Harvard itself is incidental to that. The primary thing is the ability to secure the area mostly unopposed and to set up our own little kingdom. Of course, this was before our Kingdom was a thing.
 
Looks like we have a tie.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 16, 2023 at 4:47 AM, finished with 98 posts and 36 votes.
 
Looks like we have a tie.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 16, 2023 at 4:47 AM, finished with 98 posts and 36 votes.
Technically those aren't mutually exclusive, you can decide "not right now" and still read up on them.
 
Technically those aren't mutually exclusive, you can decide "not right now" and still read up on them.

Hmm... a lot of people have been voting them together and they are not mutually exclusive

Vote closed
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 16, 2023 at 5:21 AM, finished with 101 posts and 36 votes.
 
Remember, the primary impetus behind Harvard thing is Odin trying to get us out of Chicago. And he's doing this for two reasons: prevent a massive war that might erupt due to us staking a claim and aggressively expanding, and to secure mystical Harvard territory (this is our incitement - an offer of mostly unprotected territory and resources, including Dragon Nests). Harvard itself is incidental to that. The primary thing is the ability to secure the area mostly unopposed and to set up our own little kingdom. Of course, this was before our Kingdom was a thing.
But why would we agree to that. We can just take over chicago, we already have in with the white court and that is the only major facton here. Neither winter or summer are going to be a problem for us as well.


Like what massive war??
 
Arc 10 Post 50: Data Breach
Data Breach

27th of December 2006 A.D.

Your first impulse is to bat away the papers, those people had barely been family to Mom, why should you treat them as though they are yours? Even Dad thinks they were terrible and... That's not quite what he said, darn memory. Dad said he finds it hard to think well of them and so do you. Is it worth trying though? As soon as the question pops into shape it's hard not to think of all the other people for which you had tried: ghouls and vampires all, the cultists of the Red Court. But they all had extenuating circumstances: Hunger, indoctrination, the cold anger at the back of your mind provides.

The answer comes just as quickly: Ignorance. James and Regina did not know what they were dealing with because of this whole stupid veil of secrecy. But they had to have known their daughter wasn't doing OK even before that, it's like they hardly cared to begin with. Maybe they changed, people do that sometimes, from some shock or time passing and they have had plenty of both. It's been more than a quarter of a century.

It wouldn't hurt to look.

Carefully you take the papers and for the first time you look at the pictures, a faded family photo of what's clearly your mother, maybe fourteen or fifteen, sitting on a sunlit bench the faint shadows of the leaves above falling on her face, but mostly on the giant straw hat she was wearing at the time. The man to her right looks... about how you would imagine a 80s high power investor to look, slicked black hair, suspenders and all. There is something about the jaw and the eyebrows that remind you of Matthew, but it's the eyes that are the most arresting, exactly the same blue as your own. Blood will leave its mark. The woman, your grandmother you guess, looks very little like mom and it's not just the 80s perm and fancy earrings that wouldn't look out of place on the Titanic, a aristocratic, almost hawkish face and eyebrows that to match, like wings about to take flight in outrage. Her posture though, straight-backed without being deliberate or self-conscious about it, ankles that does remind you of Mom.

"Thanks Mom, I know talking about all that wasn't easy for you," you squeeze her hand one more time. If I do end up going to Harvard this is definitely something to check into, you add inwardly, not wanting to bring college or Odin into the conversation.

"It wasn't, but—" she sighs— "I wonder if things wouldn't have been easier if I talked to you about all this last year."

How would I have taken the revelation a year ago? you wonder. Would I have understood where she was coming from better, or would I have just called her a hypocrite? "I'm honestly not sure either," you say aloud. "Either way time travel isn't something I can do."

"Though the flow of time may be more difficult to command than most nothing is truly beyond your reach Majesty."

Before Usum is even done with his flattery you shoot back: "Not helping!" thankfully unnoticed by your mother

***​

29th of December 2006 A.D.

Essence and Willpower restored to full

Over the next two days you learn what you can about Mom's side of the family. For one both James and Regina are still alive and apparently doing just as she had expected: sweeping up unprofitable start ups and either turning them around or selling them for parts and being a leading voice 'in charities promoting education in the developing world' particularly in Sub-Saharan Africa. Of far more interest to you is that they have another child: Brian Hamilton, age twenty-three, adopted. Looking though the dates they must have started the process months, at most a year after their daughter ran away. What, did they replace her for a new model, one that went to MIT yet? Being fair they did adopt an orphan, you can't fault them for the deed itself.

"Alert!" Clippy's avatar flashes on the screen. "Infiltration of the Hedge Fund New Wave Investments has been detected. Awaiting instructions."

What do you do?

[] Cut the connection and leave well enough alone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of

[] Cover your tracks, even if it means bricking any machines that might reveal details about the hack

[] Write in


OOC: It was bound to happen eventually, your cyberdevils botched. Better than it happening when you are hacking the US government
 
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That was the result of a Mundane crazy who failed.
The Carpenters have that security stuff because of the whole god helps those who help themselves thing. They aren't the sort who expect god to hold their hands all day.

Even then, its worth noting how ridiculous it is that no assault on it has ever benefited the people to do so. That's so improbable it basically makes plot armor canon.
Actual Celestine level entities act as security in site, and follow them around out of the house. They aren't there on vacation.

At minimum Uriel is going to notice and send the knights after you for trying this shit.
Uh, no, that wasnt a mundane. Wasnt even a crazy per se.
Father Douglass was a priestly member of the Ordo Malleus. The Catholic Inquisition. Father Forthill's order. No supernatural powers, but he was very much a member of the spooky side of thing.

Yes, plot armor is canon. But that hasnt actually stopped the bad guys trying before.


Thats something to keep in mind. Not all of these people are entirely rational all the time; Polonessa Lartessa had to be physically stopped from throwing magic at the Carpenter household in Skin Game, despite the fact that doing so would have freed the guardian angels there to retaliate and strike her down, and probably everyone with her.

Bianca had her ally the Nightmare go after a pregnant Charity, despite being senior enough in the Red Court to know better, and having senior members of the Red Court and Black Court providing planning support.


Sometimes, if they commit sufficient resources or are fortunate, they succeed, at least for a while.
Because Heaven has rules, and Free Will comes into play a lot.
The certainty of Consequences after the fact doesnt change that.

But why would we agree to that. We can just take over chicago, we already have in with the white court and that is the only major facton here. Neither winter or summer are going to be a problem for us as well.

Like what massive war??
We cant just take over Chicago. Its NOT free real estate.

Chicago is the physical nexus point of the Stone Table, where the major Faerie Courts negotiate and arrange transfers of power. Its the closest metro city and magical nexus to Demonreach.
The Twylyth Teg have their embassy here. So do the svartalfar. The White Council meet here regularly.

At least one god has been in longterm residence in this city. So are hundreds of thousands of Little Folk.
Never mind the shen, and all the people who come and go.

Both the Summer and Winter Lady maintain residences here.
So did the Winter and Summer Knights.
MacAnally didnt just set up in Chicago by accident.

It is also a major transport crossroads; just like its a major rail, road, water and air crossroads in the real world, a lot of supernatural Ways interact in and around Chicago on the NeverNever side.
There's a lot of supernatural shit in town, both permanently, and in transit.

The fact that we have....established reasonable relations and coexistence with three major powers does not mean they will simply roll over and acquiesce to our attempting to take the city.

If Chicago was up for the taking, the White Court would have expanded after Dresden wiped out the Reds here.
They didnt. Noone else did either.
Consider why that is.


TL DR
You're basically proposing that, because we are on speaking terms with the US, China and the UK?
That noone will object if we try to take over the Suez Canal.
 
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