Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Lilly sits down, seeming more relaxed as she lays her head back to bask in the half-real sun of the garden. "It's nice to talk about this stuff, to too around a bit, not a lot of people to talk cartoons around here. Mostly it's just 'ho hum we are hoity-toity nobles, children of Danu', but Tinker Bell is a fairy too."

talk not too

The rest of the afternoon goes down in a lot less seriously since code or no Lilly meant that bit about not having many people her age to talk to. There is Fix of course, they have known each other for most of their lives, but there is only so much one can share with any one person, 'especially when that person is a guy'. There's more than a wink and a giggle to be had here though. She is desperately lonely in a way you find hard to even understand, as much as you might fight with your mother or find your siblings annoying sometimes they are always there if you need to fall back on someone to talk to.

So she talks about them, about Meryl who had given herself to Winter just so that she might help in battle only to be killed in it, about Ace the one who ran who ran worked with the Red Court and then ran. Not just the end, not just the parts that hurt, the stupid stories that every friend group shares, 'the ups and downs and right 'arounds as she puts it. "...so then Meryl says 'Lilly, that's straight tonic no gin, we haven't given you any alcohol since the first glass. How are you this drunk?' And 'I say are you sure, I'm having a blast.'..."

Finally she talks a little about about Ronald the Summer-Knight-Who-Was, the closest thing to a father she had ever known, the only one who ever been able to really stand up to her.

serious direction since not seriously since

who ran, worked not who ran who ran worked

I say 'Are not 'I say are

"I've always been pretty, not like this but enough enough especially sine I was willing to show it off. There have always been men willing to protect me, or try to at least. But with Slade... there wasn't anyone who could do it until Ronald. That is how it goes right, winter and summer evenly matched, its our place to keep them from unleashing savagery upon the world, all things in balance?"

doubled up word

since not sine

Winter and Summer not winter and summer

"He would make me dance. In front... in front of... of everyone." There's so much unsaid in those pauses, a knots of pain and shame all wrapped in anger. "I wish I could hurt him now, even though that is not something I'm owed, even though I wouldn't be as good at it than Mab anyway."

Something about her tone tells you that you are hearing the echo of a conversation she has with someone probably a lot of conversations, probably with Titania. Firmly you remind yourself that summoning the Queen of Summer just so you could yell at her wouldn't be helpful. "Do you want to know what I think?" you ask, once you're sure the words will come out calmly.

knots not a knots

has had with someone, probably not has with someone probably

"Every time one of you kids was born I wrote a letter to my parents, or at least I tried." She crumples the papers, no, the letters a little. "I could never get more than halfway, the first one is just 'Dear Mother and Father' and a lot of crossed out lines. I told myself they would not believe what happened anyway, so better not to brand myself a liar in their eyes again, then I told myself that they would be safer not knowing me anymore. What if someone came after them? Being honest with myself with myself I... I didn't trust them with you kids. If something happened to Michael and me I did not want you to end up back in Boston. But now you are an adult there's no more 'ending up'. You should know. "

doubled up words

now that you not now you

For those of you wondering my opinion on the Faerie Courts is that someone or something should usurp their position as reality's protectors and then lock most of them up for being the sort of monsters they are. I don't talk much about that part of my opinion on Faerie Courts because all it usually gets me is people defending their existence.
 
It's magic. Crystallize the tears and form a diamond-like gem out of them. If those were Maeve's I would say "freeze them and the magic of the splendor will keep them frozen". I mean, splendors are congealed spells. They are normally dissolved in one's anima, so the material component is more symbolic than anything.
I guess, though using materials like that in the ritual to make it doesn't seem like an issue to me.

I prefer something with an inter theme to just making a gem or something, and the dual layer nature of the dream form leaves us some space to play with it in.

Either way you're still skipping over the rarity of the resources involved. If we can get the same effect without burning them then I don't see why we shouldn't save them.

Asshole vampires in need of a stake are readily available and fairly renewable as a resource, making fey queens cry isn't as common.
 
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and then lock most of them up for being the sort of monsters they are
If nothing else Winters position of constantly fighting a war encourages a monsterous mindset and war driven society. Then we have Summer who are hardwired to value emotions above logic and who are expected to be able to at least counter the former war driven society.

It seems incorrect to judge them by human standards if their brains are wired differently to begin with. What your proposing here is like throwing a 40k tyranid or daemon into prison. There's no point, they aren't going to be rehabilitated or something.
someone or something should usurp their position as reality's protectors
I agree with that but anyone or anything that has to fight a war indefinitely probably isn't going to be nice. It would have to be some kind of automated force maybe that doesn't get involved with anything non Outsider related.
I don't talk much about that part of my opinion on Faerie Courts because all it usually gets me is people defending their existence.
Unless you can suggest a better alternative to the essential role people are gonna do that lol.
 
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It seems incorrect to judge them by human standards if their brains are wired differently to begin with. What your proposing here is like throwing a 40k tyranid or daemon into prison. There's no point, they aren't going to be rehabilitated or something.
Butcher refers to them in his WoG as elementals but for the soul, just as additional context to this.

Fey in general and Sidhe in particular are close to human in some ways, but are fundamentally alien and inhuman in others. Culture is part of it, but even absent that they simply don't work like humans do.


Not that I'm trying to excuse them, their victims certainly don't care about their motives, but it's worth remembering that they are not human and aren't supposed to be.
agree with that but anyone or anything that has to fight a war indefinitely probably isn't going to be nice. It would have to be some kind of automated force maybe that doesn't get involved with anything non Outsider related
Anything clever enough to actually fight the war is probably going to end up being a person in the end anyway.

If we want a kinder solution we'll probably need to basically take the job ourselves.

Personally I think the right way to do this isn't to depose them all at once, but rather to slowly take more and more pressure off their hands as we get stronger until we've subverted the role.

The fey will still be a super power after that, but their political leverage over other nations will decline as ours goes up. Which will make pushing them to sign agreements requiring more ethical treat of mortals easier.
 
Hopes and Memories, All in a Row​
27th of December 2006 A.D.
COMMENTARY
This whole convo was very like Harry's first meeting with Aurora in Summer Knight chapter 17.
Just with the relative positions flipped.
If Molly's Perception rolls werent so good, I'd be worried about being played.

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Ronald Reuel was significantly older than Slate, as far as Im aware, and he was a Chicago resident. Unlike Slate.

That said, of the original four changeling friends, we know Meryl was a troll-blood, Ace was the kid of the Redcap, and Lily was the daughter of a nixie. Fix's parent isnt stated.
They were all Winter Court changelings, and thus under Winter Court jurisdiction until they chose.

Which is why Slate could fuck with them, and why it took heavyweights like the Summer Knight and Winter Lady to make him stop. Though Maeve's role in this is ambiguous; Meryl both says that Maeve made him stop, and that she tortures them.
"Yes," she said. "And until then I'm under the rule of the Court of my fae father. Winter. The others too. That's why the four of us stuck together. It was safer."
Billy nodded. "Oh."
"Meryl," I said, "what makes you think your friend is in trouble?"
"She's not very independent, Mister Dresden. We share an apartment. She doesn't have a very good idea of how to take care of herself, and she gets nervous if she's out of the apartment for too long."
"And what do you think happened to her?"
"The Winter Knight."
Billy frowned. "Why would he hurt people in his own Court?"
Meryl let out a brief, hard laugh. "Because he can. He had a thing for Lily. He would hurt her, frighten her. He got off on it. He was furious when Maeve told him to back off. And once Ron was gone …" Her voice trailed off and she turned her head to one side.
"How does Reuel fit into this?" I asked.
"He was protecting us. Maeve had been torturing us for fun, and we didn't know where to turn. Ron took us in. He put us under his protection, and no one in Winter was willing to cross him."

"What about your fae dad?" Billy asked. "Didn't he do anything to look out for you?"
Meryl gave Billy a flat look. "My mother was raped by a troll. Even if he'd been strong enough to do anything about Maeve hurting us, he wouldn't have. He thinks he's already done enough by not devouring my mom on the spot."
"Oh," Billy said. "Sorry."
I frowned. "And with the Summer Knight gone, you think Slate grabbed the girl."
Meryl said, "Someone broke into the apartment. It looked like there had been a struggle."
I let out a sigh. "Have you contacted the police?"
She eyed me. "Oh, yeah, of course. I called them and told them that a mortal champion of the fae came and spirited away a half-mortal, half-nixie professional nude model to Faerieland. They were all over it."

I had to admire the well-placed sarcasm. "It doesn't take a supernatural studmuffin to cause something very bad to happen to a cute girl in this town. Your plain old mortal kidnappers and murderers can manage just fine."
She shook her head. "Either way, she's still in trouble."
I lifted a hand. "What do you want from me?"
"Help me find her. Please, Mister Dresden."
I closed my eyes. I didn't have time, energy, or brainpower to spare for this. The smart thing would be to blow her off entirely, or to promise her I'd do it and promptly forget about it. "This just isn't a good time." I felt like crap the second I said it. I didn't look at the changeling's face. I couldn't. "There's too much trouble already, and I don't even know if I can help myself, much less your friend. I'm sorry."
I turned to go, but Meryl stepped in front of me. "Wait."
"I told you," I said. "There's nothing I can—"
"I'll pay you," Meryl said.
Oh, right. Money.
I was about to lose the office and
Yes, Reuel was enough of a hardcase that even Maeve didnt consider it worth the trouble to cross him over a couple of changelings.

Which nixie was Lily's parent is never said. Nor is Fix's parent that I can find.
And yes, Lily was a professional nude model prior to becoming Summer Lady.
Good odds she ran into a number of unsavory types.


Talking in code would be a Subterfuge or Streetwise roll, depending on the circumstances and expertise of the character.
Not an Expression roll. And Subterfuge is Key for Molly.
Not that it matters now.


Gonna note that a handkerchief of tears from an Incarna who was reminiscing about memories and intimacies is probably quite thematically resonant with making artifacts/magic items for said Incarna to protect her Intimacies.
Might be worth tracking down something from Reuel, the Summer Knight That Was, as well. Or from Meryl.
Lol now I want to burn a favor on Slate even less. Also is it Slate or Slade?
[X] What was it like growing up in Boston
Im more interested actually. To quote Sarissa:
Cold Days c3 said:
"I get that you're afraid of me," I said. "I know you saw Lloyd Slate in action when he was the Winter Knight, and I know exactly what a peach of a human being he was. And I figure you think I'm going to be like him."
"I didn't say that," she said.
"It wasn't an accusation," I said, as gently as I could. "I'm not trying to trick you into saying something. I'm not hoping that you'll give me an excuse to do something to you. Okay? I'm not like Lloyd Slate."
"Neither was he," Sarissa whispered. "Not at first."
A cold little feeling wobbled through my guts.
It makes him of even more interest in getting a look at what a Mantle does up close.
Assuming its the Mantle of course; he could just have been an asshole who was granted power and ran amok.
Or it could be the Mantle amplifying something that would normally never been an issue.

I would love to know, both intellectually, and because I suspect it might be relevant in the future to figuring out how Nemesis is able to sneak into senior figures of the Fae Courts without provoking an immune response from their Mantle.
 
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[X] What was it like growing up in Boston

Like someone else said, this is a family bonding scene.
Not one for intellectual curiosity about a magic talent that Molly doesnt share any longer.
 
It makes him of even more interest in getting a look at what a Mantle does up close.
Assuming its the Mantle of course; he could just have been an asshole who was granted power and ran amok.
Or it could be the Mantle amplifying something that would normally never been an issue.

There's no actual evidence this guy has anything that's both unique and valuable enough to be worth a favor. Spending strategic resources on curiosity is a waste.

Let him rot, we have better things to do.
 
suspect it might be relevant in the future to figuring out how Nemesis is able to sneak into senior figures of the Fae Courts without provoking an immune response from their Mantle.
I mean thats interesting and all but I don't see how its neccesary or even matters really. We can use Crown questions to find Nemesis possesed and probably make things to grant immunity to it as well as remove Nemesis shards with a ritual.

I don't want to use a favor we got from Mab just to help out the Fae Courts anyway.
Not that I'm trying to excuse them, their victims certainly don't care about their motives, but it's worth remembering that they are not human and aren't supposed to be.
I think you responded to the wrong guy with this first bit.
 
I think you responded to the wrong guy with this first bit.
I was more trying to add specific context from Butcher to the point you were making and then clarifying that I wasn't trying to excuse them in doing it. Should probably have quoted both you and @Dmol8 in hindsight though.
and probably make things to grant immunity to it
I think we have OOC confirmation that splendors really mean it when they're set to possession immunity and they would cockblock Nemesis.
 
Talking in code would be a Subterfuge or Streetwise roll, depending on the circumstances and expertise of the character.

If you had used subterfuge on your Lilly would have done the same and that is not her best skill. Instead of actively trying to lie she just used a paradigm that Molly and her shared as people who know what a Saturday Morning Cartoon looks like and how the tropes work out.
 
Which also makes the Summer Queen less likely to take it.
What?

Being immune to Nemesis is an amazing benefit for the courts. Summer may be primarily set up to stop Winter from going rogue, but it also participates in the fight against the outside and is a high priority target for infiltrators.

Being able to perfectly ward people from that sort of bullshit is a wonderful security benefit.
 
What?

Being immune to Nemesis is an amazing benefit for the courts. Summer may be primarily set up to stop Winter from going rogue, but it also participates in the fight against the outside and is a high priority target for infiltrators.

Being able to perfectly ward people from that sort of bullshit is a wonderful security benefit.
Yes which is exactly why the Summer Queen is less likely to take this amazing advantage away from Lily if she suspects that she is also using it to resist the influence of the Summer Lady mantel.

Edit: Although it would maybe be best if we make the Splendor in the form of a tattoo.
 
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Yes which is exactly why the Summer Queen is less likely to take this amazing advantage away from Lily if she suspects that she is also using it to resist the influence of the Summer Lady mantel.

Edit: Although it would maybe be best if we make the Splendor in the form of a tattoo.
Misunderstanding on my part, I thought you meant Lily not taking it or perhaps Titania not accepting it being used.

In terms of the physical form, splendors can't be stolen without killing the owner first and the way their manifestation mechanic works just being a tattoo wouldn't stop it from being given away if Lily was ordered to.

Even if it did making it impossible to remove would be very bad, because it risks Titania locking Lily up to "purify" her, or simply killing her and taking on another candidate for the Lady's mantle.
 
wouldn't stop it from being given away if Lily was ordered to.
With a Splendor protecting her from mental influence could Lilly refuse orders from the Queen? Not that it would be a good idea in any case.

Or at least refusing said order would very much escalate the situation.
 
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Having slept on it, using a generic vampiric elder as a sacrifice to power Lily's splendor is better than using her tears for the reason of advertisement. If we are using this as an opportunity to advertise the product we make to the fae nobility / queens, and especially if we are going to be using my proposed "twice the materials needed to make (one going into production, one going as profit) plus a favor proportional to the effect" payment scheme, then using stuff that can be sourced by the prospective clients, i.e. sacrifices, is a good idea.
 
Arc 10 Post 49: Familiar Stories
Familiar Stories

27th of December 2006 A.D.

"What was it like growing up in Boston?" you ask after a moment, curious about a part of your mother's life she had never spoken about before. Much different from the stories Dad would tell about growing up with Grandma Grandpa Uncle Pete and Aunt Sally you would guess and not just from what you know of the story's end.

"Lonely," the word slips without a moment's thought. "I was an only child, my father James, James Hamilton Jr., was always busy with this company or that, he was, maybe still is, what's called an activist investor, someone who takes over companies to make them run better and then sells at a profit. My mother Regina Hamilton nee Winthrop no doubt still is a socialite and philanthropist. I grew up in the city in a condo by the Old Harbor. Mother would complain about how cramped it was sometimes, personally I found it all intimidatingly large and shinny. I spent a lot more time around tutors and au pairs..." she cuts herself off. "God, I had not thought out that word in years, nannies basically, foreign ones supposedly so I would learn French and Italian, but really it was just snobbery pure and simple."

"Sounds a lot less fun than the Sound of Music somehow," you offer gently.

She huffs, startled but obviously also amused at the comparison. "As it turns out this isn't the eighteen hundreds when 'the help' stays on the manor, people move out, they move on. When you are talking about the most recommended staff they tend to specialize by age group as well. I wasn't... no one mistreated me, in some ways I was a remarkably sheltered child. I think the first time anyone raised their voice at me in anger I was ten and doing remarkably bad at tennis. That was the other thing, father believed in structured time, in efficiently, after all that is what he did for a living. After school studies, socializing, sports, clubs everything in its place, even the car ride to and fro was accounted for. Thinking back on it now I'm surprised I didn't rebel try to break out of it all sooner, but it is... hard to separate that from what came afterwards. I think it is just that I did not find it that remarkable at the time."

"What about friends, from school or all the after school stuff?"

"A few, there was one girl I partnered up for fencing a lot of the time Alexandra, Alex for short...." She stops to think, a look of sadness stealing across her face. "I can't remember her name last name anymore. She was very passionate about swords not just the foil, I think that is where I caught the bug from even if I didn't stick with swords in the end. I remember she was distantly related to the Tsars of Russia and thirteen year old me thought that was the coolest thing, so much better than stogy old Governor John Winthrop. I actually said that to my mother. To be honest I am not sure if it was out of spite or because I wanted to get some kind of reaction out of her."

The more she talks about her parents the less like parents they seem. It's just weird and creepy. You scoot over closer on the bed to ask: "What did she say?"

"She said not to use the word cool, called it uncooth and said I had 'a better vocabulary than that'." Her tone had gone utterly flat. "That was he first time I stole money out of her purse for movie tickets. Two days later me and Alex skipped out on fencing, we went to see Grease. My parents pulled me out of fencing the next day. I never saw Alex again after that."

Lost 2 Essence -> Now at 9/15 (Empathy Excellency and ATB)

As she goes quiet you are not sure what to do with yourself, what to ask. That is not the kind of confession you had expected out of your mother. A lot of pieces you did not even know were pieces start falling into place, why she had never done more than argue about the piercings even though they annoyed her, why she had never said you couldn't talk to Nelson or Rosie just argued, sometimes very loudly why you shouldn't.

"Because you took the money?" you finally manage.

"Oh no, I don't thinks he ever noticed ten dollars were missing, it was because I didn't follow the scheduale. It was very inconsiderate, that is all she cared to say. So I started doing it more often, I got better at it, by the time I was sixteen she did not care as much, but I had far worse friends and I was doing more than going to the cinema, but then I had the episode and everything changed."

"Are you sure you 're good talking about this?" you interrupt, reaching out to intertwine your fingers with hers on the bed.

"It's a long, long time ago now sweetie, more than half my life," Mom says with a shake of the head and a smile, mostly though not entirely for your benefit. "It was at a retirement party for one of Father's friends, they had dragged me into it and I hated the idea so much I tried to pretend I was sick." She looks you up and down a moment, taking a deep breath before launching herself into the rest of the story. "Tried to make myself sick, took some pills and brandy, one of my friends said it would look like a stomach flu and I'd be fine in the morning. It didn't work out that way. I was nauseous, shaky, but nothing Mother, much less Father would accept as a reason a reason to excuse myself so I went. I don't remember anything of that night, but I was told later by the doctors that I hallucinated, something about a giant bat covered in blood. I hit a man in the head with a punch bowl and had to be dragged out of the room."

"The Sight," you murmur. "Altered states of consciousness can trigger it."

She nods, unsurprised."Since that night I started seeing more things, I didn't know what it was, my parents didn't know what it was. My mother finally cared about something I did, she was horrified, terrified of it. Father was angry, though I am not sure if it was at me for seemingly going insane or at the humiliation I had caused. Pills made it worse, doctors couldn't make heads or tails of it so they stared changing doctors to ones who said they could fix me, less—" a long rattling breath— "reputable ones. I tried to lie my way out of it, claim it was gone. But it would always come back with something worse, rotten things and twisted things and turns out I was not as good a liar as I thought I was, not when people were looking for it. All the while I thought that if I could just hold out until I was an adult, hold out to eighteen I'd be free. I overheard them talking about having me committed... not with my ears. That was when I decided to test if it was real. I mentioned to Father that I had seen a brochure for the clinic they had been talking about in the trash. He asked me what I was doing rooting around in the trash, but I knew then, that it was real, that I had to run."

Even though you had known the gist of this already from Dad, but hearing the careful way she picks her words, covering pits of rage and grief makes you want to go hit something or someone.

Mom is talking faster now, as bad as things had been before this is the part she really does not want to talk about. "I took what money I had managed to squirrel away, went right to a Salvation Army thrift store for a few changes to clothes and I tried to just live, make it to eighteen. I looked for a job as a tutor, of course that was never going to work, but what did I know? Finally managed to get a job waiting tables at a club in Roxbury, not that I was any good at it, I think the lady who owned it just felt bad for me. There was an attack... they blamed the Hell's Angels, wasn't that. I could see their faces, they weren't human. One of them reached for me. I jumped out though a window, a closed window but I didn't get hurt. By then I wasn't sure what was real and what wasn't. I thought the monsters had come after me, maybe I was right, maybe not. I was too scared to try again, didn't want other people to get hurt from being around me. Things got bad, then Gregor found me and they seemed to be looking up for a little while, he had answers or seemed to at least...."

This time the pause he longer and heavier. When you remind her that you know the rest Mom nods, relief in her eyes, as you hug her wordlessly. The two of you sit like that for maybe a full minute before she speaks again: "My parents are not terrible people, not good maybe, but there's much worse to be found out there, we both know that. If you talk to them or go meet them here—" she pulls out one of the paper she had set aside on the end table. "This is a list of everyone I remember from the family, as well as what addresses I could recall though after all this time some of them probably won't be good. I'm sure you can figure that stuff out on the computer."

Do you want to speak to your grandparents after what you learned?

[] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied

[] No, they don't deserve to be part of your family after what they did to Mom

[] Write in


OOC: For anyone interested in the genealogies in this quest Robert C. Winthrop had a son with his second wife Laura which lead to the branch of the family that eventually produced Charity. The dates work out, just barely since they married with she was 35, although it would have been pretty uncommon for the time. I spent way longer researching old Bostonian families trying to find one to use as a jumping off point than I would have liked, but I wanted to use a PoD far enough in the past to be able to insert a reasonably long and varied family history.
 
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[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
These connections might actually be useful.
 
Intense. And... well going to "avenge" our mom isn't likely to be something she would appreciate.

At the same time I'm not sure we would get much warmth from them. Or even much financial gain.
 
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.

My feelings are that it might be interesting, but not enough to spend an AP on it. Maybe if we're in the area.
 
[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied

I am... curious, especially if there's actually some old magic in the family. Magic gift is inheritable, but can it skip generations? Also, just curious in general.
 
[X] No, they don't deserve to be part of your family after what they did to Mom

I can't see any point in talking to them.
 
I really don't see how they'd be of any use. Its not like we'd need them for money or anything. Actually I'd rather not waste the AP on them at all. We have so many things fighting for our AP its absurd.

[X] No, they don't deserve to be part of your family after what they did to Mom
 
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