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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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What material did we use to make this body? Or did Lash herself count as a sufficient reagent?

Also I just realized that when Lash asked what we wanted in exchange for making her body and we said that every child gets a body without having to pay for it that we should have told her that her last name is now Carpenter.
 
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fictionfan said:
What material did we use to make this body? Or did Lash herself count as a sufficient reagent?
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Golem Simulacra do not need arcane reagents.

Simulacra built on the model of a more elegant golem are fairly demanding, requiring raw materials worth at least Resources 3 at the most basic level, and rising to Resources 4 for 3-dot simulacra and 5 for 4 and 5-dot simulacra.

Molly has the equivalent of Resources 5 in her realm because she is the Empress so she could get stuff like rare metals to engrave the organs or precious stones to set in her eyes etc
 
Another funny side note; Lash made the image of her current body specifically to appeal to Dresden as part of her first plot, she only seemed to start associating with it personally later.

Which means we just literally carved his dream girl out of marble with the imperishable skill of the exalted, and in doing so convinced him to stop seeing her as a demon to oppose implicitly. Once things have time to settle their relationship is going to be hilarious. :V

Artemis1992 said:
Her current Visage seems to be influenced by the materials of her body, so probably a lesser echo compared to a regular Apocalyptic Form.
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I don't think so, we made a super body perfectly engineered for the task of supporting her consciousness and power rather than making her hijack a human built with completely different goals in mind.

The reflection is probably because of that more than a sign of weakness.
 
[X] Let's go, Harry can come along if he wants
-[X][Stunt] "Not how I expected to introduce our child. Oh well."

They grow up so fast.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Another funny side note; Lash made the image of her current body specifically to appeal to Dresden as part of her first plot, she only seemed to start associating with it personally later.

Which means we just literally carved his dream girl out of marble with the imperishable skill of the exalted, and in doing so convinced him to stop seeing her as a demon to oppose implicitly. Once things have time to settle their relationship is going to be hilarious. :V


I don't think so, we made a super body perfectly engineered for the task of supporting her consciousness and power rather than making her hijack a human built with completely different goals in mind.

The reflection is probably because of that more than a sign of weakness.
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Specifically the White God in this universe would not allow something like the Fallen from Demon jacking mortal hosts to happen 'naturally', since He is both more moral and less of a deadbeat then his WoD counterpart ('let me curse you with immortality and infinite power Caine, that will teach you' :V ).

Molly literally engineered a new thing into existence that could not have been without her improvising several very old things into novel arrangements.
 
fictionfan said:
So Lash is Molly and Harry's child now. Most people have a first date before children.
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It's an entertaining meme, but I think it's more accurate to say Lash is Lasciel daughter via asexual reproduction and Molly is her surgeon/prosthetic designer.

After all, Lash was a complete person of her own before she got the body and would remain one if you took it away. Molly is no more her mother than whoever designed Stephen Hawking's wheelchair is his.

Also not how Molly would think about it, or present it to her own parents.
 
uju32 said:
The only playable splats who have access to linear magic are Sorcerers(mortal), Hunters(mortal), Kinfolk(mortal), Bastet and Kitsune(Fera). Bastet are specifically noted to have an affinity for stealing magic from others (Gifts, rituals, hedge magic) from others by observation, as do Kitsune, which is represented by the Breed-exclusive 7-dot Cat/Fox Magic Merit.
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Revenants, Dhampirs, Ghouls, and Dhamphyrs can also learn linear magic.

The Wan Kuei can also learn at least two linear magic paths, as the Tzu Wei and Feng Shui 'disciplines' can be learned by mortals up to five dots, so are forms of linear magic.

Western vampires can also learn linear magic with the right merit (the rune casting one from Wolves of the Sea).
 
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Votes are unanimous. Might as well as call it tbh.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Nov 2, 2023 at 12:12 PM, finished with 43 posts and 18 votes.
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[X] Let's go, Harry can come along if he wants

Our father would want to be woken for this and, beyond that, I have a feeling that God is waiting for us. We've begun the reclamation of something lost, a beautiful thing turned ugly and now beautiful again, and this is something that has never before been. She isn't the angel but she is a semblance that I believe may one day redeem the mantle of her predecessor. The woman isn't home yet but, for the first time since the Fall a road even exists for all that it is a long one.

Our parents can afford a little lost sleep. They will want to know about both the victory and the danger... because by the rules the higher powers play by this is going to allow a counterweight action by the other side, our theoretically being a neutral party be damned. What kind of counterweight action will be less than obvious because this was in no way a hostile act against the Fallen: This was a gift given to them but a poisoned one and, when they reciprocate, I imagine it will be in kind.
 
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LightLan said:
Does it?

This was wrought by mortal free will.
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I think its a risk at the very least. We're adding an extra piece to the game board, in a way that just doesn't happen, and we are kind of in a very hazy area in regard to this whole 'mortal' thing. Even if its not letting Satan or Little Nicky spread their wings I am forced to imagine that it will give them a little bit of extra wiggle room in regard to pushing into their own hazy areas that previously wouldn't have been permitted. An imperceptible fraction of one percent change in that game board is probably larger than the Earth so I expect something,

Less than an angel spreading its wings but something proportional that might not have gone under the radar previously.

Even if it doesn't, even if they can't pull an actual counterweight action, it will probably invoke a symbolic one. Tit-for-tat is typically the winning strategy in a Prisoner's Dilemma series or other game theory experiment. What we did is enough they can't leave it unanswered.
 
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DragonParadox said:
The thing is Molly does not know what she is doing on a cosmic level, she knows what she's doing on a distinct individual levels, she sees the table, she feels the thing in her hand (it's a rock) and then she chucks it in the general direction of the table and calls Yahtzee! 'What do you mean that is not what you were playing? I just remembered the word and the rock seemed appropriate.'
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Lucifer and Uriel have the most challenging game of shogi ever.

From the side comes Molly with her bowling ball while wearing a blindfold with only a vague sense of direction.
 
Modus_Tollens said:
because by the rules the higher powers play by this is going to allow a counterweight action by the other side, our theoretically being a neutral party be damned.
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I don't know about that; the rules exist because the good guys are overwhelmingly stronger but bound by their nature. Hell only gets tokens by winning arguments with Heaven.

We don't work for god, the biggest benefit of maintaining our distance is that they don't get free moves when we do stuff.

I don't doubt Hell will still act, but it'll either be an attempt to cheat or regular scale operations.

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I also wouldn't call this a gift either, not to the fallen. It's probably the most barbed and spiteful bit of mockery they've ever been offered by a mortal.

The idea that their kids might learn better and go home where they will not and cannot is pretty brutal for people who never intended to have them and aren't used to the idea in the first place.

Depending on why they rebelled in the first place it could burn even worse than it might appear to at a glance.
 
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I don't think us doing anything, unless it's by specific orders / rules breaking influence of one side allows for any retaliation under the rules. We are a mortal human. We can do whatever, glorious exalted power notwithstanding. This is one of those rare times when Heavens get to abuse the loopholes in the rules.
 
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I don't know about that; the rules exist because the good guys are overwhelmingly stronger but bound by their nature. Hell only gets tokens by winning arguments with Heaven.

We don't work for god, the biggest benefit of maintaining our distance is that they don't get free moves when we do stuff.

I don't doubt Hell will still act, but it'll either be an attempt to cheat or regular scale operations.
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The Fallen have power because they have universes worth of hostages that they can still kill. Not all of them but well in excess of whatever number God and those under him could ever countenance even for the greater good. God doesn't play nice and they start straining their bonds just a little and people die, souls are damned, and creation is permanently diminished potentially on a conceptual level. And God can't respond to that in full or else things will just escalate with more deaths and the possibility the walls to the Outside will be breached and end this whole grand experiment, a true mutual loss or at least a risk of one.

Thats my vision of it anyways.
Yog said:
I don't think us doing anything, unless it's by specific orders / rules breaking influence of one side allows for any retaliation under the rules. We are a mortal human. We can do whatever, glorious exalted power notwithstanding. This is one of those rare times when Heavens get to abuse the loopholes in the rules.
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Even if it did permit a counterweight action it wouldn't stop my support. This would still be enough of a coup that it could eventually result in the end of the hostage situation and God's eventual win. Whatever would be done in response wouldn't be enough to undo the advantage.
 
Lash isn't Lasciel, as we should know very well.

If anything, she could be considered Lasciel's child with Harry, if she isn't Lasciel's child with Harry AND Molly.

This isn't the World of Darkness either.

If she is considered Molly's kid in any way, I could see an argument that Lash is not only innocent of any of Lasciel's wrongdoing, but as a 'child' still bound by the protection that is supposed to cover Michael's family up until she intervenes in the battle between good and evil.
 
Yog said:
I don't think us doing anything, unless it's by specific orders / rules breaking influence of one side allows for any retaliation under the rules. We are a mortal human. We can do whatever, glorious exalted power notwithstanding. This is one of those rare times when Heavens get to abuse the loopholes in the rules.
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Thing is I'm pretty sure this achievement is going to peeve certain people hard enough that they may go into cosmic debt just for a chance to take a swing at Molly. Lasciel and a good chunk of other Fallen certainly would be among them.
 
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