Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Mead for Odin, with a raid mechanic because fighting giant bugs to get drunk/high feels like a viking things to do.
Wōðanaz does bean 'lord of frenzy' or 'lord of the possessed' after all.
One person I forgot: Brother Dev.
Book on philosophy. Not necessarily Brass Court; might be an Earthly one.
Plus a spidersilk monk robe.
We're about two minutes for getting a gift card to Applebees for Broken Seeker. This is one hell of a list.
 
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One person I forgot: Brother Dev.
Book on philosophy. Not necessarily Brass Court; might be an Earthly one.
Plus a spidersilk monk robe.
He's probably going to have some Questions about the courts, so a FCF book might be more appropriate.

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We're about two minutes for getting a gift card to Applebees for Broken Seeker. This is one hell of a list.
If it wouldn't get everyone there killed I'd be tempted to do exactly that, just for the look on his face. :V
 
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Seriously, think of the things that would have used it to buy favor if they could. Genuine gods during their glory days would have if they could, ignoring Mab herself. We can put your average glory-day-god to shame but it wouldn't be a light matter. It would mean fucking with the natural order of the world on the order of what we are doing with Lash or worse.
If we ever feel the need to gain leverage on Winter its a good idea...
 
Amoracchius isnt a person; more that there is an angel inside Amoracchius, and inside each of the Swords.
If I was going to make anything for Amoracchius, it would be a scabbard. But I honestly feel its more than a little presumptuous; a little like trying to paint someone else's house/car.
Amoracchius the angel is embodied in the mortal world as a sword. When telling Michael to put him down he refers to the sword as "I". So, I think this is appropriate.
One person I forgot: Brother Dev.
Book on philosophy. Not necessarily Brass Court; might be an Earthly one.
Plus a spidersilk monk robe.
He's probably going to have some Questions about the courts, so a FCF book might be more appropriate.
Speaking of, we should spend some time with him next turn, i think, we kinda stopped training for a time. And take him to the Courts, I believe. I think he'd be interested.
We're about two minutes for getting a gift card to Applebees for Broken Seeker. This is one hell of a list.
We have a large cast of allies and friends.
 
Speaking of, we should spend some time with him next turn, i think, we kinda stopped training for a time. And take him to the Courts, I believe. I think he'd be interested
What do you suppose the success requirements are for convincing a Shih to let us drag him to our Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Yomi-Wan!hell?

If he goes down the "Molly is a new Yama Queen, playing for team good guys again" his reaction might be a touch more theologically charged than the wizard who's probably several decades older and had her supernatural education somewhere other than a monastery.
 
@uju32 the idea behind sorcery is that it's solid foundations for greater access magic not dissimilar to our own ancient sorcery. It's a solid Stone of hard formula and practices of magic that can be drawn fron for it to be constricted is a matter of playstyle taste and also efficiency with XP not because they can't use it. Blood sorcery, Spirit charms, Hekau all are more thematically tied to their Splats and stronger than regular sorcery so it's more of a thing of being efficient rather than incapability.
Edit: the only ones who I know for sure can't actually use sorcery are the wraiths.
 
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My apologies for picking at this detail, but to my knowledge thats not accurate.

The only playable splats who have access to linear magic are Sorcerers(mortal), Hunters(mortal), Kinfolk(mortal), Bastet and Kitsune(Fera). Bastet are specifically noted to have an affinity for stealing magic from others (Gifts, rituals, hedge magic) from others by observation, as do Kitsune, which is represented by the Breed-exclusive 7-dot Cat/Fox Magic Merit.

Mortals who are initiated into another splat (Kinfolk who become Garou, mortals who become Vampires) promptly lose all access to linear magic. Other splats have their own native magics(Vamps have blood sorcery, Mummies have Hekau, etc)
But they dont get linear sorcery Paths.

Think of it this way: If that was possible, the Technocracy would have drowned the Traditions in Victor clones with linear magic using the same means of teaching them everything else. The potential for producing HITMarks with linear sorcery is a moderately terrifying thing; the Technocracy already has a lot of infrastructural advantages.


Amoracchius isnt a person; more that there is an angel inside Amoracchius, and inside each of the Swords.
If I was going to make anything for Amoracchius, it would be a scabbard. But I honestly feel its more than a little presumptuous; a little like trying to paint someone else's house/car.


Good call.
We know the Mothers exist, but we've never met them, nor do we have any sort of relationship.
And frankly, we dont know enough about their role in the power structure to go blundering in there.

Depends on how cost effective it is to teach a clone linear magic. Also according to Sorcerer Revised at least vampires can use hedge magic, they just don't generally since they have more blood points than willpower which makes linear sorcery inherently worse for them.
 
Vote closed, interlude incoming.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 2, 2023 at 2:55 AM, finished with 60 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Plan Gifts and Feasts
    -[X] Mab, Maeve : Arctic Absinthe - A spirit fermented from fresh Ascetic's Root and those few lightless plants of the waste that are edible to mortals. When swirled carefully in a glass the otherwise clear liquid almost seems to contain a trapped aurora borealis. Taken by the shot it is almost bitterly cold, most comparable to an invigorating mint though it doesn't quite match any earthly flavor, settling into a spicy heat.
    -[X] Summer Queen, Lady: Bright Brandy - Traditionally distilled from the shock-fruit of the near forests, this beverage undergoes a natural form of electrochemical fermentation over a fivefold distilling process. A cloudy white color, as it moves forking yellow streaks form and break apart, giving a false sense of depth. A sweet and tangy taste, it crackles in the mouth and leaves a tingling numbness going down.
    -[X] An ultra-comfortable sword-stand for Amoracchius, with minor enchantment for cleaning - an analog of ultra-comfrotable massage chair, but for a sword
    -[X] Decals for Santa's sleigh for Santa
    -[X] A Feast for Jade Dogs, made with full exalted effort
    -[X] Model train set for Porter
    -[X] some nice Christmas-Cards to the Cauldronists
    -[X] Wine for Thomas
    -[X] morphing shoes that always provide perfect support, no matter if they look like high heels or sneakers for Lydia
    [X] Throw a party for the Jade Dogs, somewhere convenient between Christmas and New Year and send some nice Christmas-Cards to the Cauldronists.
    [X]Plan Friend Zone
    -[X]Concert tickets for Izzy, Alec and Olivia
    -[X]Gold and silver ear rings for Rosie and Isabella
    -[X]Case of exotic alcohol for Thomas and Murphy
    -[X]Model train for Porter
    -[X]Cards for Cauldron
    -[X]Jade Dogs bonus/gift/feast funding
    -[X]Winter Queens: Arctic Absinthe
    -[X]Summer Queens: Bright Brandy
    -[X]Brass Court shoes for Lydia
    -[X]Appropriate alcohol for Donar Vadderung and Gard
    -[X]Book on philosophy + spidersilk monk robe for Brother Devisimar
    [X] Plan Gifts and Feasts
    -[X] Mab, Maeve : Arctic Absinthe - A spirit fermented from fresh Ascetic's Root and those few lightless plants of the waste that are edible to mortals. When swirled carefully in a glass the otherwise clear liquid almost seems to contain a trapped aurora borealis. Taken by the shot it is almost bitterly cold, most comparable to an invigorating mint though it doesn't quite match any earthly flavor, settling into a spicy heat.
    -[X] Summer Queen, Lady: Bright Brandy - Traditionally distilled from the shock-fruit of the near forests, this beverage undergoes a natural form of electrochemical fermentation over a fivefold distilling process. A cloudy white color, as it moves forking yellow streaks form and break apart, giving a false sense of depth. A sweet and tangy taste, it crackles in the mouth and leaves a tingling numbness going down.
    -[X] An ultra-comfortable sword-stand for Amoracchius, with minor enchantment for cleaning - an analog of ultra-comfrotable massage chair, but for a sword
    -[X] Decals for Santa's sleigh for Santa
    -[X] A Feast for Jade Dogs, made with full exalted effort
    -[X] Model train set for Porter
    -[X] some nice Christmas-Cards to the Cauldronists
    -[X] Wine for Thomas
    -[X] morphing shoes that always provide perfect support, no matter if they look like high heels or sneakers or anything else for Lydia
    -[X]Concert tickets for Izzy, Alec and Olivia
    -[X]Gold and silver ear rings for Rosie and Isabella
    -[X]Case of exotic alcohol for Thomas and Murphy
    -[X]Book on philosophy + spidersilk monk robe for Brother Devisimar
 
@DragonParadox can I get a little bit of confirmation about what I said about sorcery because I'm pretty sure that's how it works but that might not be how it works in this story or your understanding might be different than mine.
 
You are reaching. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
No Im not.

This is the fourth or fifth revision, part or in full of ExWoD; there was the original document, the Companion, the current version of ExWoD, this Craft document, and ExWoD Powered By The Apocalypse.
There have been multiple revisions. He's literally invented new splats.

Holden went to significant effort to detail permissible powers as niche as Tunneler in this Crafting document.
He didnt omit this by accident.
Well, yes. As any ruler with a millenium of experience is ought to be in order to be at all successful.
A ruler at war has particular competencies as a prereq.
The Winter Court has been at war since prehistory, and Mab specifically came to power by military force. Running and fighting a centuries old war is her primary duty. Her ONLY duty.

This is not a job with a gentle learning curve.

Besides, look at her reputation.
She's known for keeping her deals, and wrecking havoc on her enemies.
Thats it.
Citation needed. In fact, based on how Emanations can use our kingdom as a keystone, I would argue it's entirely expected to have multiple emanations using the same keystone. You don't expect an exalt to be limited to only one bound spirit servant, do you?
Making an arcana is supposed to use up its components.
There is nothing stopping Molly owning multiple arcana; she just cant use the same keystone for them.
Go source new ones.

Thank you.
I need to read that again, before raising my objections.

Depends on how cost effective it is to teach a clone linear magic. Also according to Sorcerer Revised at least vampires can use hedge magic, they just don't generally since they have more blood points than willpower which makes linear sorcery inherently worse for them.
1)Its the Technocracy.
They have vast resources. The pre-Avatar Storm Technocracy with all the resources it was throwing around would have considered it a money no object project, since it would substantially enable their eradication of the Traditions.

Its almost certainly cheaper than sticking Primium in mass-produced HITMarks.
Of course, it would also catch Nephandi attention.


2)*checks*
Sorcerer Revised p120? That appears to be talking about people wanting to implement house rules.

I mean, Vampires have Thaumaturgy and the various forms of Koldunic, Setite and Assamite Sorcery.
They dont have linear magic as of canon, and IIRC the Vampire books say you should convert any numina to vampiric thaumaturgy
Unless you're building a special NPC.
 
No Im not.

This is the fourth or fifth revision, part or in full of ExWoD; there was the original document, the Companion, the current version of ExWoD, this Craft document, and ExWoD Powered By The Apocalypse.
There have been multiple revisions. He's literally invented new splats.

Holden went to significant effort to detail permissible powers as niche as Tunneler in this Crafting document.
He didnt omit this by accident.
Repeating yourself does not validate your point. And as to the document - it's a rough draft full of typos and errors, referring to stuff that isn't in the ExvsWoD document and completely unformatted. Inferring that a list of examples is full inclusive list of splats and assuming that no other type of being can access splendors is a fool's errand. He listed many (most) canon character types in WoD. Not all, I'll note (no hunters, for example).
Making an arcana is supposed to use up its components.
Magic (Essence) is ephemera's component. A keystone is exactly that - an anchor binding an Emanation to the material world. Nothing says it is used up if Emanation is made successfully.
 
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Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Nov 2, 2023 at 4:29 AM, finished with 63 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Plan Gifts and Feasts
    -[X] Mab, Maeve : Arctic Absinthe - A spirit fermented from fresh Ascetic's Root and those few lightless plants of the waste that are edible to mortals. When swirled carefully in a glass the otherwise clear liquid almost seems to contain a trapped aurora borealis. Taken by the shot it is almost bitterly cold, most comparable to an invigorating mint though it doesn't quite match any earthly flavor, settling into a spicy heat.
    -[X] Summer Queen, Lady: Bright Brandy - Traditionally distilled from the shock-fruit of the near forests, this beverage undergoes a natural form of electrochemical fermentation over a fivefold distilling process. A cloudy white color, as it moves forking yellow streaks form and break apart, giving a false sense of depth. A sweet and tangy taste, it crackles in the mouth and leaves a tingling numbness going down.
    -[X] An ultra-comfortable sword-stand for Amoracchius, with minor enchantment for cleaning - an analog of ultra-comfrotable massage chair, but for a sword
    -[X] Decals for Santa's sleigh for Santa
    -[X] A Feast for Jade Dogs, made with full exalted effort
    -[X] Model train set for Porter
    -[X] some nice Christmas-Cards to the Cauldronists
    -[X] Wine for Thomas
    -[X] morphing shoes that always provide perfect support, no matter if they look like high heels or sneakers for Lydia
    [X] Throw a party for the Jade Dogs, somewhere convenient between Christmas and New Year and send some nice Christmas-Cards to the Cauldronists.
    [X]Plan Friend Zone
    -[X]Concert tickets for Izzy, Alec and Olivia
    -[X]Gold and silver ear rings for Rosie and Isabella
    -[X]Case of exotic alcohol for Thomas and Murphy
    -[X]Model train for Porter
    -[X]Cards for Cauldron
    -[X]Jade Dogs bonus/gift/feast funding
    -[X]Winter Queens: Arctic Absinthe
    -[X]Summer Queens: Bright Brandy
    -[X]Brass Court shoes for Lydia
    -[X]Appropriate alcohol for Donar Vadderung and Gard
    -[X]Book on philosophy + spidersilk monk robe for Brother Devisimar
    [X] Plan Gifts and Feasts
    -[X] Mab, Maeve : Arctic Absinthe - A spirit fermented from fresh Ascetic's Root and those few lightless plants of the waste that are edible to mortals. When swirled carefully in a glass the otherwise clear liquid almost seems to contain a trapped aurora borealis. Taken by the shot it is almost bitterly cold, most comparable to an invigorating mint though it doesn't quite match any earthly flavor, settling into a spicy heat.
    -[X] Summer Queen, Lady: Bright Brandy - Traditionally distilled from the shock-fruit of the near forests, this beverage undergoes a natural form of electrochemical fermentation over a fivefold distilling process. A cloudy white color, as it moves forking yellow streaks form and break apart, giving a false sense of depth. A sweet and tangy taste, it crackles in the mouth and leaves a tingling numbness going down.
    -[X] An ultra-comfortable sword-stand for Amoracchius, with minor enchantment for cleaning - an analog of ultra-comfrotable massage chair, but for a sword
    -[X] Decals for Santa's sleigh for Santa
    -[X] A Feast for Jade Dogs, made with full exalted effort
    -[X] Model train set for Porter
    -[X] some nice Christmas-Cards to the Cauldronists
    -[X] Wine for Thomas
    -[X] morphing shoes that always provide perfect support, no matter if they look like high heels or sneakers or anything else for Lydia
    -[X]Concert tickets for Izzy, Alec and Olivia
    -[X]Gold and silver ear rings for Rosie and Isabella
    -[X]Case of exotic alcohol for Thomas and Murphy
    -[X]Book on philosophy + spidersilk monk robe for Brother Devisimar
 
Arc 10 Interlude 3: Prometheus
Prometheus

23th of December 2006 A.D.

I was starting to learn the path though Undertown to the Station, rarely a good sign when someone is this familiar with how to get to an underground lair. In my defense most underground lairs are not filled with the savory smells of lamb ribs, the sizzle of great spongy pancakes topped with curry made with onion chili and a bunch of spices I did not know the names of until two months ago. It was a good place to pick up rumors from the darker side of town the way Mac's was for minor minor talents and practitioners. A lot of people would talk to a ghoul who wouldn't give the resident warden the time of day. At least that was my excuse and I was sticking to it... even as I grabbed a bowl of stew from the kitchen, a hard-boiled egg bobbing inside it.

"The Lady is doing something intensely arcane and sure to have all sorts of exciting consequences," the smarmy dark haired vampire said not looking up from his laptop as I passed though the common room.

One of the kid ghouls giggled and then looked up guiltily just as one of the wall-lights grew a stone lid to wink at him. Like Alice in Wonderland if it was written by.... No come to think about it Lewis Carol was probably weird enough to have come up with this stuff. The station felt more like the Nevernever every time I visited. Bob called it a shallowing and insisted that is was 'perfectly normal' for active nodes where a lot of magic was being used, but I was reminded that Bob's notion of normal was not one most people, even most wizards shared when he started talking about some Alpine town that lost half its name and a third of its hours to Faerie but 'made a killing on trade... mostly not a literal killing.'

Call me old fashioned but the idea of having kids and a baby around this much magic made me nervous even before I got into the laboratory done up like a scene from Conan the Barbarian if they had a way better budget.

At the center of the room a pillar of stone had been not erected but grown from the floor presumably by Porter and to this spike of stone was chained what at first seemed to be a woman on her knees arms behind her back and it was only on a second look that I realized it was a marble statue so finely made as to seem alive, a winged statue. When I finally manages to tear my eyes away from the impossible detail in every line of it I realized there was something else odd about it, the joints were too flexible, marble should not bend like that or hair of spun gold flow and ripple in the soft hiss of the air conditioning.

"Do you like it?" Molly asked, smiling, a little sheepish maybe over that phone call.

But I couldn't answer, damn my curiosity I'd already opened my Sight to get a better look at it.... and almost fell right on my ass from sheer vertigo. I had seem some pretty awful things with the sight and some wonderful things too, but this had to be one of the weirdest. It was stone and gold and wheels of brass and it was a body at the same time, like Molly had written: "2+2=5" on some cosmic blackboard and made it true, logical inconsistencies be damned. Like a funhouse mirror the more I looked the more I saw, like losing myself in its depths, vessel and sanctuary, idol and eidolon.

Who says the blackboard is 2D?

The Sight being what it was as soon as the thought had entered my head I cranked my metaphorical neck and I could kind of see it, the other side on which the missing 'numbers' had been written. It was like trying to read an IKEA manual though a snowglobe when you also had the sneaking suspicion that it was all in Chinese anyway. But now that I knew that space was there I could... Well truth be told I was not sure what I could do with it, but I'm a wizard, figuring stuff like that stuff is half of my job.

"It's very impressive," I managed to get out as I closed myself up again.

"Thank you," Molly and Lash said at the same time.

"Well it is my body," the... spirit, I couldn't really think of her as a demon anymore could I? If I did I might have to object to this whole ritual to embody her to work her will in the material world to do even Heaven did not know what.

"This is going to take till midnight, there's snacks and a bottle of water over there." Molly motioned towards an armchair and a coffee table someone had moved to the other side of the room as she set Lash's mirror down... in midair opposite the pillar and the body.

Of course there's snacks, what kind of a birthday party would there be without snacks. What did it say about me that I wasn't even that surprised at this point.

Once I had taken my seat Molly started to chant in the same alien inhuman tongue she had been speaking to Lash before, green fire kindling all about her. The words beat upon the ear like storm-winds not beat upon the ear like storm-winds and the roar of distant thunder. The mirror started to move slowly clockwise five full circles then the words changed, the crackle in them was not lightning but fire raging over the earth, dancing in tongues of light that touched the heavens exulting in power higher and higher.

The Mirror moved faster. Where its first five cycles had taken it more than three hours the next five took only an hour.

Down at the roots of the flames I could ear something else, the chants spoke of the groaning of stones as they gave way into deep clean earth renewed so that...

The mirror moved even faster. Five turns again in forty five minutes

Words of earth gave way to words of water, first ones that brought to mind rivers flowing in their banks then the sea roaring free. Almost fifteen minutes past as now the mirror's wings seemed almost to come alive.

Like a storm though deep deep jungles untouched by human hands the last words came, the mirror now so fast it it was a blur until it reached the point opposite the pillar.

Lash Spoke and her voice was white lighting cutting though the air, it was the sound of an skyscraper's worth of glass shattering not just one hand sized mirror and these words of all words I understood: "[I am Myself Apart I am.]"

In one motion the body snapped its chains and broke the pillar wings unfurling and it... and she rose and rose, impossibility tall for something that could fit inside the underground room, the hem of her robes was smoke and shadow, her flesh was stone carved without flaw, her hair of gold like a crown on marble brow hallowed in that same white light that pierced the eye and demanded the eye take keep. Her wings clinked like crystal set against the darkness behind her for the light illuminated her and only her.


Behind and all around the room Molly's green flames grew brighter. They had not really gone away I realized, it was just that for a moment my eyes refused to see them, refused to see anything beside Lash herself.

"Good?" Molly asked, a little awkwardly, but Lash was too busy looking down at herself in wonder.

She walked over to one of the walls and and splayed her fingers on it, then she tapped it and tipped her head as though listening for the echoes. "Wh... what have you done?" she barely managed to get out the last word in a voice like bells and wind-chimes somehow assembling into a semblance of English in perfect harmony before she breaks down laughing in sheer joy, unlike something I had ever heard from her, unlike anything I had ever heard from anyone.

"I made you a body," Molly answered patiently, but she did not try to hold back the enormous smile on a face now slick with sweat.

"Did you... did you fucking ever?" The wings fold inwards, the light going with them, until Lash was standing there looking like what my brain insisted was her 'normal' six foot tall blond sporty Girl-Next-Door only here in the flesh and also in a black cocktail dress.


She turned to me, lips parting slightly as she considered her next words and asked softly: "Permission to punch you in the nose?"

"What?" I blurted out after a no doubt appropriate amount of time.

"I need to test something, it's important," she insisted earnestly. "I can't ask Molly, she might be too weird to count"

"Don't look at me, she's telling the truth," Molly said from by left.

"Alright," I agree, that is just your luck isn't it? Though I take care to add: "You only get one you hear. And just a normal punch I don't want to explain a broken nose to Butters."

Lash nodded solemnly, then she socked me, a respectable right hook though it wasn't any harder than a woman of her apparent size and strength could deliver so that was a relief.

"Nothing," she sighs, sounding both disappointed and relieved. "I can't get power from suffering like I could... like She can."

"Good," I get out rubbing my nose.

"Well the other way I can get it is to make pacts with mortals. What do you say Harry, fancy supernatural charm? Maybe a quicker wit?" I was about to open my mouth to quip when she added counting on her shapely fingers fingers. "Immunity to mind control, immunity to possession, resistance to illusion."

"And what would you get out of that?" I manage.

"Your faith in her to provide those things," Molly answers in the same tone she mentioned the phone call earlier. "That is what the built the... er... prayer channels. Though I am not sure, what can you do," she adds to Lash.

"Oh you know I can make the blind see and the lame walk," Lash starts out faux casually. "But mine is the Lore of Light, Longing and... Flesh." She trails off her expression unreadable. "Right I don't have a Coin, no access Down Below, limits of scale, but I can... and even..."

"Starting to get worried here, just a bit," you interject.

Lash does not answer, she just puts her hands to her temples, closes her eyes and thinks or maybe meditates. Slowly, reluctantly she says to Molly: "I think I need to have a talk with your father... and maybe his Sword."

What does Molly reply?

[] Let's go, Harry can come along if he wants

[] Wait until morning so as not to spring this on her parents in the middle of the night

[] Write in


OOC: Congratulations, you just invented Demons... well specifically the non-Earthbound Demons from Demon the Fallen. Just infernal things.
 
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Huh. Demons.

IIRC, they are pretty comprehensively stronger than ExWoD terrestrials, and Lash here in particular got pretty good selection of Lores, I think.

Flesh starts superior to attribute-boosting qiao/shih arts - both in terms of raw potence and ability to boost mental attributes - and then progresses further into really good stuff. Longing is social+Willpower hijinks and Light is mostly illusions.
 
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[X] Let's go, Harry can come along if he wants

Neither Charity, not Michael are likely to be asleep yet. Charity due to malcoffee, Michael likely waiting for Molly (also, I expect Amoracchius to have woken him up). Also, I am half-expecting Uriel (or quite possibly some other archangel) to make an emergency appearance to establish ground rules. Possibly archangel and Lucifer together.
 
Longing lore will be homeruled? I don't remember it from DtF

It is canon, page 198 of the core book

As for the Arcana Numia debate I looked up sorcerer revised and you are right @uju32 that is an optional rule, but it is one that makes a lot of sense to me and ultimately I do not think building Hedge Magic into your constructs is going to break this game. It's not like you can mass produce them with the AP costs, you are better off just getting some sorcerers from Sanctuary for most purposes and frankly I do not see the thread being inclined to do so even if they could.
 
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