That would require a lot of trust on their part and on Morgan's.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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[X] At the Last Station, it is a good introduction for what they will see beyond
- Location
- Canada
Damn, Morgan is not holding back. I dunno whether he killed the Lord hiding out in his place of power or ganked him on the battlefield, but it sounds like a chemical firestorm was involved. Sheesh, what a rockstar.
The Red Court is really starting to hurt for top-level leadership at this point. Not sure if this happened in canon or if this is also a butterfly effect, but regardless the Red Court went for a Bloodline Curse in canon 'cause they were nervous of the Blackstaff, so it's possible this happened then too.
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Butterfly I rolled for it in the background.
Kemayo
A Certain Cheerful Tone Of Voice
- Location
- Missouri
Yup! But it'd also require a lot of trust on their part to use communications gear that Molly provides. So it's a potential outcome on the table, at least.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
It does make me wonder how much infighting there is right now to to fill those vacuums.
[X] At the Last Station, it is a good introduction for what they will see beyond
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Etiquette excellency
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- Canada
What's more, if it was just Arianna dead there would be chaos as contestants vie for her position, but given a Lord died a lot of people are gonna be having second thoughts about putting themselves in such a high-ranking (and high-visibility) position. Heck, even other Lords would be nervous, assuming there's more than the one who can actually work up the motivation to do something (and even that's assuming the Lord was trying to take command rather than Morgan nuking his home like the Blackstaff did)
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[X] At the Last Station, it is a good introduction for what they will see beyond
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Etiquette excellency
Maybe, but as we've been shown Morgan is a serious component of their military success on a personal level. Comms used by their willing agents isn't quite the same as dock time for their human aircraft carrier.
So what is the chances that Morgan tries to kill some of the Jade Dogs?
Out and out try to kill, thus breaking guest right? None. Could he or either of the other wizards be upset by the Jade Dogs? Yes. Keep in mind the White Council does not respect non-humans much and all of the Jade dogs beside the handful of humans are also predatory.
Of course you might want to introduce them to that concept before you show them your alien hell realm of billions, but on the other other hand they have no context for the hell realm so if you introduce those first it might lead to a different mental register.
Considering how wizard magic works just not respecting them is already a great accomplishment.
On one hand, it might prejudice them, yes. On another, it also introduces Mercy in Servitude to them.
The downside is that it reveals Last Station to WC, but it wasn't really secret anyway.
Mac's pub also works, I think, but Last Station is a sort of something in the middle between the world they know, and our courts. An alien-ish little microcosm of urban magic rarely seen otherwise.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] Bring them all home to dinner, it is not often you have diplomatic dealings with people you can bring home and it should set them at ease
It is the most friendly.
It is the most friendly.
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[X] Bring them all home to dinner, it is not often you have diplomatic dealings with people you can bring home and it should set them at ease
[X]Empathy and Etiquette Excellency, All Things Betray and Hellscry Chakra as necessary.
REASONS
1) We want to vet these people IC before taking them to the Courts; bringing them through the Angel-warded Carpenter threshold and under Michael's eye will help double and triple-check Molly's own judgement and perceptions.
There are classes of beings that will balk at entering the Carpenter home.
Remember, the fact that they are not on the list of traitors doesnt prevent them from being under the influence of people who are on that list. Case in point: Anastacia Luccio, who was not a traitor, but was mind controlled into killing a Senior Council member.
2)It humanizes Molly by reminding them she has parents and family in the city.
This might be necessary with Morgan and Wu Mei in particular.
Molly doesnt need to do grandeur; the Brass Courts will do that for her.
3)It helps Molly with both Charity and Daniel in the future.
Dresden's the only wizard they've met.
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If we take them to MacAnally's, we'll be broadcasting to everyone who has spies watching it that the White Council sent a party of political and military heavy hitters to meet with Molly.Only a couple weeks after the Merlin met with her.
Thats a no-no
And I cant see any reason why we'd want to start by taking them through Last Station.
Seeing an upgraded subway station is no preparation for seeing a city, or a world.
If we are insistent on taking them through Last Station, we can do that on our way back.
Though I'd prefer not to.
I see no reason to bother the Jade Dogs at this right now by bringing a delegation of wizards through their living space for no particular reason. And I dont want to reveal the presence of the SUTRA.
[X] Bring them all home to dinner, it is not often you have diplomatic dealings with people you can bring home and it should set them at ease
[X]Empathy and Etiquette Excellency, All Things Betray and Hellscry Chakra as necessary.
REASONS
1) We want to vet these people IC before taking them to the Courts; bringing them through the Angel-warded Carpenter threshold and under Michael's eye will help double and triple-check Molly's own judgement and perceptions.
There are classes of beings that will balk at entering the Carpenter home.
Remember, the fact that they are not on the list of traitors doesnt prevent them from being under the influence of people who are on that list. Case in point: Anastacia Luccio, who was not a traitor, but was mind controlled into killing a Senior Council member.
2)It humanizes Molly by reminding them she has parents and family in the city.
This might be necessary with Morgan and Wu Mei in particular.
Molly doesnt need to do grandeur; the Brass Courts will do that for her.
3)It helps Molly with both Charity and Daniel in the future.
Dresden's the only wizard they've met.
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If we take them to MacAnally's, we'll be broadcasting to everyone who has spies watching it that the White Council sent a party of political and military heavy hitters to meet with Molly.Only a couple weeks after the Merlin met with her.
Thats a no-no
And I cant see any reason why we'd want to start by taking them through Last Station.
Seeing an upgraded subway station is no preparation for seeing a city, or a world.
If we are insistent on taking them through Last Station, we can do that on our way back.
Though I'd prefer not to.
I see no reason to bother the Jade Dogs at this right now by bringing a delegation of wizards through their living space for no particular reason. And I dont want to reveal the presence of the SUTRA.
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Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
- Location
- ALSO SCREAMING.
We need to get our manifesto out to the Council somehow. Our goal is to take everything within our reach and then, by hook or by crook, ensure that it plays relatively nicely with everything else if it is in any way possible under the eyes of God. Anyone can kill a monster, and there will always be another monster behind them, but what we are doing is undermining or redirecting their monstrosity so that they end up bolstering the system rather than eroding or toppling it. Give someone skin in the game and a chair to sit at and they might just play the game.
Kindness and evenhandedness are insidious blades. The Red and White courts will be bled dry of their cannon fodder and many of their younger members. The Council should be able to recognize that even if they will very much want to put in measures to counter Molly.
Kindness and evenhandedness are insidious blades. The Red and White courts will be bled dry of their cannon fodder and many of their younger members. The Council should be able to recognize that even if they will very much want to put in measures to counter Molly.
While I would forgive Molly for not knowing Emma-O's personal history with people stealing shit from him?
Apparently noone here has read the Illiad.
Specifically, Hector stripping Achilles' armor from the body of Patroclus, and precisely how Achilles reacted to that.
Taking something as high profile and recognizable as the personal weapon of a greater akuma, supplied by a Yama King, and giving it to a mortal? Is essentially signing the mortal's death warrant.
Emma-O is more or less obligated to respond to that sort of thing.
If you intend to give this out, it needs to be reforged until its unrecognizable.
Else its just going to get the recipient killed.
You are thinking in terms of how diplomacy and nationstates work in the era of post-Treaty of Westphalia international relations, instead of how it used to work, back in the time when relationships were personal, and envoys were assigned based on their degree of relationship from the rulers and powerbrokers.
When the Red Court made diplomatic overtures in Changes? It was Arianna Ortega, daughter of the Red King. When the Denarians negotiate, its always Nicodemus, Lartessa or Rosanna. When the Fomor need diplomatic representation, they send a cantrev-lord. Mab would come herself, or send Lea; Titania would send someone like Eldest Gruff.
Relationships and record.
In this situation, Morgan is the shot-caller, the person with the official position, personal history and relationships to be credible when he speaks for the White Council and commits them to something.
The others are his assistants and advisers.
Sorta like how, in really important diplomatic situations, the President of the US shows up regardless of his personal negotiating capability, and brings advisers with him to advise him.
Because he's the person with the credibility to make calls for the US in those situations.
1) Its not assumed that every wizard is outmatched in the NeverNever.
The Merlin has blanked Outsiders in the NeverNever before with a single ward. Rashid literally walks the Outer Gates.
And elder wizards are called out in the same category as gods in the group of people who can have demesnes in the NeverNever; Rashid has one, iirc.
2)Its not muscle, its authority and credibility.
Ramirez is hotshit, and regional commander for the western US, but he only just turned 21-ish. Dresden, for all his notoriety is in his early 30s, and was made regional commander about the same time Ramirez was. Wu Mei I have no idea about; she's an OC, but since she comes from the Senior Council's primary diplomatic expert towards external powers, you can expect she has more than a passing knowledge of the Thousand Hells.
Morgan? Was born in the 1880s; he is at least a hundred years old, and has served the Council for at least the last fifty years as Warden. He is Warden Deputy Captain Commander, former apprentice of the current Captain-Commander of the Wardens, the Merlin's trusted right hand man, and an acclaimed agent of the Council with a record against the Council's enemies.
They sent someone with the relationships and reputation to be credible as a representative of the White Council.
He's senior enough and has the record that noone's going to dispute what he says he saw when he reports back.
Unlike Dresden or Ramirez.
Its a declaration both to Molly, to the other members of the White Council, and to the supernatural community at large that they are taking this shit seriously.
And whose reports will be believed by the White Council's rank and file
Also, they have their own medics.
Senior Council member Listens to Wind explicitly is a doctor in multiple traditions, shamanistic and modern medicine alike.
They have the inhouse capability to handle this.
One person does not work as an effective doctor to an entire army.
I mean there is probably a Solar Charm somewhere that can do, but Molly does not have that.
- Location
- washington
What I've got from Dresden files is that in the nevernever beings on the power of mab are not nearly as rare as they are in the real world.
1)Pre-War, the Wardens were less than 300 full-time. Less than 200, maybe.
They're expanding back out, but this isnt an army the way you think of modern armies.
And a lot of wizards have some healing bullshit.
2)Listens to Wind does not work alone. He has apprentices and assistants.
At the end of Dead Beat, he showed up with half a dozen other medics:
Ramirez made it out of that evening alive. He had four broken ribs and two dislocated shoulders, but he came through. With Butters's help, I was able to get him, Luccio, and Morgan back to my place. At some point in the evening, Butters had taken off his drum and let Morgan take over the drumming duties while he tried to help Luccio, and as a result her wound hadn't been quite as fatal as she had thought it would be.
They were far too badly hurt to stay at my place, though, and Senior Council member "Injun Joe" Listens-to-Wind himself showed up with half a dozen more stay-at-home wizards who knew something about medicine and healing to move them to a more secure location.
"Just don't get it," Morgan was telling Listens-to-Wind. "All of these things happening at once. It can't be a coincidence."
"It wasn't," I heard myself say.
Morgan looked at me. The resentment in his eyes hadn't changed, but there was something else there that hadn't been before-dare I hope it, some modicum of respect.
They were far too badly hurt to stay at my place, though, and Senior Council member "Injun Joe" Listens-to-Wind himself showed up with half a dozen more stay-at-home wizards who knew something about medicine and healing to move them to a more secure location.
"Just don't get it," Morgan was telling Listens-to-Wind. "All of these things happening at once. It can't be a coincidence."
"It wasn't," I heard myself say.
Morgan looked at me. The resentment in his eyes hadn't changed, but there was something else there that hadn't been before-dare I hope it, some modicum of respect.
Beings on the order of Mab are as rare in the NeverNever as they are in reality.
Beings on a lower tier? Far more common.
Zeus and Hades and the like might all have their demesnes in the NeverNever, but you arent going to run into them while on a casual jaunt along the Ways.
You kinda have to go looking for them at home.
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