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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Yog said:
Six months of training assuming three uses of our training charm per month to bring everything to 5 / 6. Less, because we can't train them in Larceny and such.
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Yes 6 months seems like more than enough time for a full ethics course load for a dedicated student. Of course 6 months is longer than this game has gone so far in quest time.
 
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DragonParadox said:
"Well damn, you really can put me in that thing can't you?" Lasciel asks, her voice voice not just soft, but a furtive whisper. "She is going to want to make an example of you."There is no doubt who 'She' is in this context.

Without even turning from polishing the mirror one last time you reply: "Good, the feeling is mutual then."

"No, you don't understand, She is not some brute like Magog who is just going to try to bash your head in, She will scheme and seduce, twist and violate all that you hold dear until you will wish you were dead!"
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We really are shaping up the world here, this seems so little yet is probably one of the biggest victory we could get, this is true exalted, asking the world to move, and having the world listen.

[X] Yog
[x]BronzeTongue
 
Nyarky said:
We really are shaping up the world here, this seems so little yet is probably one of the biggest victory we could get, this is true exalted, asking the world to move, and having the world listen.
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It's a more personal victory, but I suspect that a hypothetical outside observer would say that freeing Maeve from Nemesis was a bigger victory.
 
[X] Yog
[X] BronzeTongue

As much as I like Harry, he always has at least 50% chance to put his foot in his mouth, and Lash fell for his stubbornness, personality and actions, not words.

And we are the ones in charge of the ritual here, so even any potential not foot-in-the-mouth reassurances from Harry won't mean that much here, in the context.
 
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Iron Roby said:
[X] Yog
[X] BronzeTongue

As much as I like Harry, he always has at least 50% chance to put his foot in his mouth, and Lash fell for his stubbornness, personality and actions, not words.

And we are the ones in charge of the ritual here, so even any potential not foot-in-the-mouth reassurances from Harry won't mean that much here, in the context.
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Lash's concern is less about your ability to take her out of Harry's head and put you in that Mirror she just got an eyeful of Molly doing Essence Crafting not as some half wild force of nature, but as deliberate arcane practice. Said practice had a success values of: Error; Roll not needed. This is more a matter of what becomes of her and of what happens with Molly and Harry afterwards
 
As a counter-argument against letting Harry speak - do we ship Lash and Harry? Because that's the vote that advances Lash route for Dresden.
 
Yog said:
As a counter-argument against letting Harry speak - do we ship Lash and Harry? Because that's the vote that advances Lash route for Dresden.
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Doesnt follow.
Trusting a person's word and assurances is as much a matter of knowing a person's history and their record as it is a matter of what you feel for them.

Lara Raith trusting Dresden's word, and vice versa, for example, is not based on any physical attraction that exists there either.
Any more than Marcone is.

In this case, Lash and Dresden have actually lived inside each other's head for two and a half years at this point.
She is still inside his head right now. He's almost definitely one of her Intimacies.
She can read him a hell of a lot better than she can read Molly, Infernal Exalt, which has implications for how reassuring he is.

We can certainly brute force this, but I dont think it would yield best results.
And given that its been his company and influence that brought her to a point where Molly could attempt to get things moving along without a lot more preptime? Having him play his hand might yield unexpected benefits.

Multiple social anchors are better than one for the purpose of stabilizing a person.
We shouldnt be looking to replace Dresden in her life, and more to supplement him.
 
Yog said:
As a counter-argument against letting Harry speak - do we ship Lash and Harry? Because that's the vote that advances Lash route for Dresden.
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They have a sort of brain Zues style baby in canon right? I say we ship them. It might lead to Molly giving up her crush down the line.

Changed my mind.
[X] Let Harry speak, that Lash has even come this far is a testament to him
 
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I just had a really weird thought about how things could go. Might Lash be the next wielder of the sword of faith?

The last wielder was also a former Nicklehead.
 
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fictionfan said:
I just had a really weird thought about how things could go. Might Lash be the next wielder of the sword of faith?
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That's going a bit far. Lash will hopefully establish her own identity, but she remembers being Lasciel. Having such a long bitter history with heaven, even discarding whatever drove Lasciel to fall in the first place.

I doubt she'll be on the side of the angels in the literal sense anytime soon, if she ever will, but that doesn't necessarily mean she can't become something capable of coexistence with the rest of the world.

uju32 said:
Multiple social anchors are better than one for the purpose of stabilizing a person.
We shouldnt be looking to replace Dresden in her life, and more to supplement him.
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I don't think we can replace him, he's the guy who got her to start deviating in the first place after all.

If anything this would be the part where we have the opportunity to become a social anchor ourselves instead of staying an arm's length resource.
 
BronzeTongue said:
That's going a bit far. Lash will hopefully establish her own identity, but she remembers being Lasciel. Having such a long bitter history with heaven, even discarding whatever drove Lasciel to fall in the first place.
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The last wielder of the sword of faith was also a Nicklehead. But we really do need to find out the details of the fall.
 
fictionfan said:
The last wielder of the sword of faith was also a Nicklehead. But we really do need to find out the details of the fall.
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He was a mortal holder of a coin who was in for a small fraction of a mortal lifetime. Lash's insight makes this more personal for her in every respect, and it could easily extend back to a time before the current incarnation of humanity as a species.
 
BronzeTongue said:
He was a mortal holder of a coin who was in for a small fraction of a mortal lifetime. Lash's insight makes this more personal for her in every respect, and it could easily extend back to a time before the current incarnation of humanity as a species.
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The whole point of this is that Lash isn't that old she just has old memories. It all depends on if Lash agrees with Lashiel She could decide that Lashiel's reasons for falling were stupid. Or she could decide that Lashiel is totally in the right. But in the second case I don't think that we can trust Lash at all.

Right now Lash has just lost her purpose for living so what she picks next is important.
 
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fictionfan said:
The whole point of this is that Lash isn't that old she just has old memories. It all depends on if Lash agrees with Lashiel She could decide that Lashiel's reasons for falling were stupid. Or she could decide that Lashiel is totally in the right. But in the second case I don't think that we can trust Lash at all.

Right now Lash is has just lost her purpose for living so what she picks next is important.
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Yes she is a different person, but the bedrock of her personality is Lasciel.

She's not a human child who only inherits dna from a parent, Lash is a different person but her mentality started with Lasciel's. All of those memories, emotions, and modes of thought feel like hers even if she wasn't really there when they were formed.

When and if she accepts that she isn't going to just 'wake up' to some vaguely nice base state that can view that stuff like an unbiased outsider or something and then calmly pick what influences she wants to retain.

That's why this stuff is so hard in the first place.
 
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