Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
Maybe, and there will probably still be issues at that point if any of them want to leave.
That said, I think the situation will be very different a year from now IC. It's plausible that it won't really matter anymore.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Could we maybe delegate the responsibility of getting their families out? Bring out a team and assign them the mission.
Sending a team is a bigger risk. Hiring some mercenaries from outside the FCF might work though.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I guess we could contract the fellowship of St. Gils. They aren't mercenaries per say, but this seems like the sort of job that they would agree to and asking them might actually improve their opinion of us. It's a good in for talking with the organization.
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This is actually a genius idea.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Now that you mention it, this would also be a good time to slip the Felllowship the names of traitors within their organization, with the excuse that we confirmed the information from documents found among Arianna's personal effects through interrogation of captured Elder Rampires.
- Location
- Canada
[X] Promise you will get their families out
We're in a position of strength here against the Red Court; if we act now, most of the Red Court's probably still in lockdown after Arianna just got mulched mid-flight. They see us, they're not gonna dogpile us, they're gonna be too busy getting the hell outta town
Besides, it's the right thing to do
We're in a position of strength here against the Red Court; if we act now, most of the Red Court's probably still in lockdown after Arianna just got mulched mid-flight. They see us, they're not gonna dogpile us, they're gonna be too busy getting the hell outta town
Besides, it's the right thing to do
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
[X] Promise that we will attempt to arrange the extraction of their families to safe locations.
-[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
--[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.
-[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
--[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
A mission to get their families out is something that we can bring Dad on.
@DragonParadox : Have these worshipful half-red come under MIS?
@DragonParadox : Have these worshipful half-red come under MIS?
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Yes, they have perfect control of their hunger
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If we went Shinka (which we can do freely in our kingdom) and take advantage of our kingdom the human goes up to the 10 successes range.
Molly was trying to me more approachable, she was not attempting to get worshipers.
- Location
- Estonia
[X] Promise you will get their families out
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[X] Promise that we will attempt to arrange the extraction of their families to safe locations.
-[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
--[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.
We have zero right to keep innocent mortals against their will for any time in the first place. Circumstances like now might excuse it, but what they won't excuse is then not taking responsibility for fixing the resulting consequences, just because we have "better things to do".
"No, I won't let you go right now and I won't do anything about it myself. I'll just let you go after the hostages are probably already dead" would be kinda crossing the line for Molly.
It would be kinda ironic to be so watchful of Broken Seeker not corrupting us, and then doing it immediately to ourselves purely on our own.
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[X] Promise that we will attempt to arrange the extraction of their families to safe locations.
-[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
--[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.
We have zero right to keep innocent mortals against their will for any time in the first place. Circumstances like now might excuse it, but what they won't excuse is then not taking responsibility for fixing the resulting consequences, just because we have "better things to do".
"No, I won't let you go right now and I won't do anything about it myself. I'll just let you go after the hostages are probably already dead" would be kinda crossing the line for Molly.
It would be kinda ironic to be so watchful of Broken Seeker not corrupting us, and then doing it immediately to ourselves purely on our own.
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These people want to go back to protect their family, they won't want to wait a year, and will quickly grow resentful if we try to keep them that long against their will.
Plus, we decided ourself to attack in a place with humans present, helping their families is not getting bogged up, it already was our responsibility in the first place, it's our fault they are even more at risk, and Molly is not the kind of person that would ignore that.
[X] Promise you will get their families out
[X] Promise that we will attempt to arrange the extraction of their families to safe locations.
-[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
--[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.
Chaos Blade
Procrastinating Writer
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
So up to date
One thing, La dona is not right, it should be la doña (phonetically this would be la donya, or thereabouts) I know the ñ is hard on non spanish speakers, but it is annoying to me to read
That said, now this is an issue, hmmm, on the one hand getting the mortals families sound like the right call, but it might not be doable, so we really shouldn't promise in absolute terms, but we will try and rescue.
Letting them go is... look, they'd be dead and probably their families will follow, at least from what I understand. so letting them go is doing them no favors.1
SO I guess I am going to support @Iron Roby's suggestion
So I think an attempt at a rescue should be done, plus this is weakening the bloodsuckers (not very familiar with dresden, but I gotta say I really dislike the vampires aren't the person, feels too much like a cope-out to justify keeping them evil, instead of distorted, but eh, to each their own)
One thing, La dona is not right, it should be la doña (phonetically this would be la donya, or thereabouts) I know the ñ is hard on non spanish speakers, but it is annoying to me to read
That said, now this is an issue, hmmm, on the one hand getting the mortals families sound like the right call, but it might not be doable, so we really shouldn't promise in absolute terms, but we will try and rescue.
Letting them go is... look, they'd be dead and probably their families will follow, at least from what I understand. so letting them go is doing them no favors.1
SO I guess I am going to support @Iron Roby's suggestion
So I think an attempt at a rescue should be done, plus this is weakening the bloodsuckers (not very familiar with dresden, but I gotta say I really dislike the vampires aren't the person, feels too much like a cope-out to justify keeping them evil, instead of distorted, but eh, to each their own)
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[X] Promise that we will attempt to arrange the extraction of their families to safe locations.
-[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
--[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.
-[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
--[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.
- Location
- washington
I'll note while I know saint Giles does this we are gonna get some of their agents and said family members killed.
As Yog said:
Use them as focus for crown questions about where family, go there using river, find them, extract to hell, it's not the worst possible thing to have to do.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Something I've been thinking is... how many people are we going to have to extract for the reds to have nobody to torture for information due to our actions? The reds could well target people who live in the same area as the people we extracted and interrogate them.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
At that point it's just them doing their normal daily horrible activities.
Also this is more an opportunity to have positive contact with the fellowship.
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- Location
- At Home
[X] Promise you will get their families out
Just use a question on the people we have that goes like "Where is this person's [insert relevant family member here] current location?" then fly over there and get them out (together with as many other slaves/hostages as possible). There's no way some random hostages have the kind of guards that could do anything to us.
Just use a question on the people we have that goes like "Where is this person's [insert relevant family member here] current location?" then fly over there and get them out (together with as many other slaves/hostages as possible). There's no way some random hostages have the kind of guards that could do anything to us.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[x]Iron Roby
Farming a garden requires literally being there day to day, with ongoing surveillance and intervention against everything from weeds to pests to vandals.
You dont just plant and leave and come back at harvest.
Again, look at the US invasion of Iraq and the US's subsequent efforts to stabilize the place, and remember that Latin America in 2006 is ~20x the population of Iraq and at least an order of magnitude the surface area.
Its not out of our capability because Solaroid with an empire, but it is a significant problem that we would need to acknowledge and invest major ongoing effort into. Not a situation where you overthrow the governing structures and walk away with a mission accomplished banner as the region breaks down into chaos and war.
The US is still seeing blowback from its actions in Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s.
Sounds like teenage hyperbole.
Easy to confirm with the QM one way or the other.
Drug effects =/= addiction.
Being addicted to a drug is almost never a cause of death to my understanding of human biochemistry.
Deliberately administering a lethal overdose of a drug is not a normal feature of addiction.
Nonlethal addiction symptoms wont be touched by the Wheel as described. Whether physiological OR mental.
You wont stop being a coffee addict because a lethal overdose of caffeine was administered to you, or an alcoholic because someone drowned you in alcohol.
Or a marijuana addict because someone forcefed you enough kush to literally die for, assuming thats possible.
COMMENTARY
-Well, Seeker gets a front row seat to a transition.
-Multiple intelligence agencies? Oh god.
-Okay, families. Thats kinda calculated to be a hot button for Molly, given her own personal experience with the fetches.
These are mindgames, of course, but we can afford to arrange extractions. Arianna even gave us cash.
Or we could just go ourselves in the daytime; its not like there are very many Reds with fleshmasks capable of walking around in daytime south of the US border.
Well, looks like we have the dice gods opinion on events.
This.
They were always going to do this to any survivors of Arianna's retinue.
The question is whether we were going to just let it happen, or not.
This is literally what mercenaries are for.
There's RL mercenaries who specialize in this sort of asset extraction in the third world.
And this setting has people like Goodman Grey doing paid work.
We have a couple million dollars from Arianna. PAY someone for an extraction if you dont wanna go yourself.
Whether its the Fellowship or Monoc Security. Get their names and IDs, and hand them off.
Money is for spending. Spend it.
And thats assuming that Molly doesnt feel like going herself, which she very well could.
IC its the work of a couple hours to show up in the daytime when most Reds who arent ancients cant afford to be outdoors, find someone and move them into Sanctuary and just not return.
You could probably blast though a lot of random Red Court mooks, but it is worth remembering you only have so much essence. Like most solarids Molly is very very good at killing hard targets fast. When she has to fight armies things gt dicey.