Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Why? Serious question.
Death isnt casual, even for the Courts.
And the Wheel as described is not a pushbutton system; its not under the control of the residents, works to its own purposes, and takes its own time, which are usually, but not always predictable.

You cant kill someone and decide they'll be back in x timespan.

So, here is the final Sorcery document. I added an index to make it much, MUCH more easier to navigate.
Nice work.
I probably wouldnt use any part besides maybe the Sorcerous Working bit, but I can appreciate the work that went into this.

COMMENTARY
1)Duffle bag of $100s? *checks*
Your standard military duffle would fit around $2.3 million dollars, which would weigh roughly 50 pounds/23 kilograms.
Thats useful. Many thanks to Arianna for funding Christmas.

The cocaine will probably be of some academic interest to the biochemists and alchemists of the Brass Courts.
Lotsa phones and laptops

2) Study can even be reasonably explained to the Reds as being to their benefit if we want.

Establishing a medical baseline for the species is something that benefits the PoWs in case they have a mundane or supernatural medical issue that needs to be dealt with, and looking for any potential hostile interactions between their magical biology and the Hells environment and residents is better done sooner than later.

Molly can even spare a corpse for an autopsy. She'll get most of it back.

3)The Reds must be so confused to hear Seeker call Molly sister.
And Seeker behaves like someone deprived of social interaction. And quite likely doesnt even see it.
The kind of person who would pull on a person's pigtails for attention as a kid.

4)Fascinating insight into how the Reds social control works.
And a little insight into exactly how much effort it would require to dismantle the Red Court's support infrastructure without having everything descend into chaos and bloodshed.

5) I dont really see any of the humans leaving.
Not when Molly takes time to talk with them while burning Essence properly. Might be worth looking for the families of those with living family for relocation in a year or so, but that something for the intelligence services of the Courts to do.

6) Wonder what happened to the pilots?
Im assuming they are pure mortals; the training for jet airliner pilots rather precludes their being Reds or half-Reds.
Should be 3x half-Reds/infected, not 2x. Add 7x Red PoWs, and 8 mortals, and we're looking at 18 people to transport.


[X] Plan Investigation and investments
-[X] [VAMPIRES] Study
-[X] [INFECTED] Study, including searching for ways to cure the condition, including studies of how the turning of the Wheel interacts with the condition (volunteers only)
-[X] [HUMANS] Limited Access
--[X] Rehabilitation programs - they require those.
---[X] See if any of them are worth recruiting after they are better. As Earth natives they could be useful as agents
They are known to the Red Court. All of them have families, friends or acquaintances through whom leverage can be applied; see Sofia, who ran away from an abusive family and was still talking about her friend who snapped and was killed.
So thats a hard no.

Besides, like I said earlier, I am reasonably sure Molly can talk them around to not leaving if she wants.

Using the Delirium table, 76% of mortals are Willpower 5 or lower, 63% are Willpower 4 or lower.
And these arent randoms, they are Red victims; I suspect that high Willpower is a contra-survival trait among those Red victims cultivated for food and service as opposed to autonomous action.
 
VOTE
[X] [VAMPIRES] Study
[X] [INFECTED] Interrogate
[X] [HUMANS] Limited Access



The only real question here is what to do with the mortal humans.
But since we didnt take the Panopticon option, I cannot in good faith let them run around unsupervised in Molly's Hell.
 
3)The Reds must be so confused to hear Seeker call Molly sister.
It's probably gone past confusing into something downright painful.
As rigidly dynastic as their politics seems to be they seem like the type to be primed to overemphasize that sort of thing.

Trying to figure out how much -if any- of that term is a joke and what that means about the people in control of their lives must be driving them crazy.

Especially since we're talking about a Naagoloshi here. Broken Seeker calling us sister in front of them probably made them clench whatever they have instead of sphincters so hard they sprained something.
 
[X] uju32

Incidentally, since the baseline mortals are all addicts (as astoundingly bad an idea as that was for the red court to indulge in) and we probably aren't going to let them continue with the toxic feeding dynamic, we'll probably get to see something like this:


But with vampires who're simultaneously incredibly pissed and desperately trying to avoid pissing off the Queen of the hell realm they're trapped in.
 
If we send human agents back to Earth from Hell they'll just be attacked and interrogated. No point in opening that can of worms right this minute. Better to give them limited acess.
 
Harry spent years on this problem and made no progress, and neither has any other mage who's looked into it.
Harry was, after his obsessive deep dive, still convinced that it was possible, and his godmother later showed that she knew how to specifically target the vampiric infection with magic. Harry was interested, the knowledge was a bit too pricey for a spur of the moment lesson, and soon thereafter became purely academic.

If there is a way, which we can be pretty confident in saying there is, then we can probably figure it out.
 
To be fair, we could delegate supervision of them to Molly's subjects
Which just means they are on their best behavior when they think they are under observation.
As opposed to our being able to monitor while allowing them the illusion of privacy, which allows us to see if they are settling in or just biding their time and prepping a jailbreak, or an attack on a target they think might hurt Molly, or trying to gather information.

There's a reason that the fiat option was offered.

It's probably gone past confusing into something downright painful.
As rigidly dynastic as their politics seems to be they seem like the type to be primed to overemphasize that sort of thing.

Trying to figure out how much -if any- of that term is a joke and what that means about the people in control of their lives must be driving them crazy.

Especially since we're talking about a Naagoloshi here. Broken Seeker calling us sister in front of them probably made them clench whatever they have instead of sphincters so hard they sprained something.
Lol. True
And unlike the mortals, who may just think that Seeker is some monster that Molly brought with her, they are knowledgeable enough to recognize what a naagloshii is.

[X] uju32

Incidentally, since the baseline mortals are all addicts (as astoundingly bad an idea as that was for the red court to indulge in) and we probably aren't going to let them continue with the toxic feeding dynamic, we'll probably get to see something like this:


But with vampires who're simultaneously incredibly pissed and desperately trying to avoid pissing off the Queen of the hell realm they're trapped in.
Yeah. At least at the beginning, before they learn to make antivenom and a substitute/purge

Also, a second reason for all that study: Red Court nutritional substitutes, because we arent letting them feed on people if we can help it. We do have professional alchemists, and our time in the Brass Courts explicitly mentions life energy as a medium of exchange with some of the spirits, so a blood substitute can be cooked up in lieu of blood donations to keep the Reds fed and healthy.

Harry was, after his obsessive deep dive, still convinced that it was possible, and his godmother later showed that she knew how to specifically target the vampiric infection with magic. Harry was interested, the knowledge was a bit too pricey for a spur of the moment lesson, and soon thereafter became purely academic.

If there is a way, which we can be pretty confident in saying there is, then we can probably figure it out.
The one certain way Harry discovered of getting rid of it was an Unravelling, but that required magic from the Fae Mothers.
Lea could certainly target and suppress the parasite directly, and given WoG with regards to Mab and the Hunger of the Whampires, I'd be willing to bet that Mab could rip one out if she wanted to.

And of course, the bloodline curse ritual at Chitchen Itza burned out the Red Hunger in every surviving half-Red while leaving the human half alone. But its unclear if anything short of similar-tier magics can get rid of one.
Worth looking, at least.
 
Now I am wondering if our people could put together a bloodline curse? The Reds were able to do it after all and we have access to even greater resources.
 
Harry was, after his obsessive deep dive, still convinced that it was possible, and his godmother later showed that she knew how to specifically target the vampiric infection with magic. Harry was interested, the knowledge was a bit too pricey for a spur of the moment lesson, and soon thereafter became purely academic.

If there is a way, which we can be pretty confident in saying there is, then we can probably figure it out.
I wasn't saying it was impossible, just that we shouldn't expect to toss it to some generic magitech pharma labs and expect a pill of anti-vampirism in the near future.

Medical research is a years and billions topic even when you have a good idea about what you want to do. Sure this is magically delicious research, but so is the problem.

Fey being able to numb the parasite is a good place to start, but isn't the same thing as being able to remove one without killing the host.
 
Now I am wondering if our people could put together a bloodline curse? The Reds were able to do it after all and we have access to even greater resources.
Can we? Of course.
Its essentially the same spell that the scrub Victor Sells was using to murder people in the first book, just with extra juice. If he could kludge his version up into working, using storms as a power source, Molly can do a much better implementation.

But why would we want to?
 
One thing that can certainly speed up any attempt to find a cure for those infected with Red Court vampirism is using our crown to ask about Red Court vampirism itself. Get ourselves a magical biology lesson.
 
To wipe out the Reds?
We dont need a bloodline curse to wipe out the Reds.
And there's also Dresden's specific circumstances, where he was essentially complicit in the assisted suicide of his ex-girlfriend in order to set up that goal.

Besides, the problem isnt really wiping out the Reds; Im reasonably sure we will be in a position to manage it in six months.
The problem is avoiding the collateral that Dresden's use wrought in canon, and then managing the aftermath.
And there would be a lot of aftermath to manage.
 
The problem is avoiding the collateral that Dresden's use wrought in canon, and then managing the aftermath.
And there would be a lot of aftermath to manage.
The only way to avoid a power vacuum would be to fill it ourselves.

Like we get a bunch of Red lords with control issues to sign on with us then either kill or king or get him to bow.

Actually that is a good crown question. Which Red lords are having control issues in their old age?
 
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They are known to the Red Court. All of them have families, friends or acquaintances through whom leverage can be applied; see Sofia, who ran away from an abusive family and was still talking about her friend who snapped and was killed.
So thats a hard no.

Besides, like I said earlier, I am reasonably sure Molly can talk them around to not leaving if she wants.

Using the Delirium table, 76% of mortals are Willpower 5 or lower, 63% are Willpower 4 or lower.
And these arent randoms, they are Red victims; I suspect that high Willpower is a contra-survival trait among those Red victims cultivated for food and service as opposed to autonomous action.
Which is why the vote is not to recruit, but to consider recruitment. Red Court is a global power, but it doesn't have global dominance or government penetration. Inserting some of these people into, say, European union, might be worthwhile.

Also, not all of them have families - that's your supposition. Most of them have. BUt not all. And not all would care about said families. And some of the families might suffer "incidents" (if they aren't executed by Red Court as a precautionary measure after Araianna's murder).

This is not meant as a short term option. It'll likely take year(s) for them to get better. But it's something to note here.

Also, on the subject of your vote, why not study half-reds? Even leaving aside the cure issue, it's one of the things that definitely interacts with the Wheel, and is a potential danger to a long-term operatives of the court deployed to Earth.
Death isnt casual, even for the Courts.
And the Wheel as described is not a pushbutton system; its not under the control of the residents, works to its own purposes, and takes its own time, which are usually, but not always predictable.

You cant kill someone and decide they'll be back in x timespan.
Most of these are your suppositions. Death is almost certainly not casual, but how much knowledge of the Wheel the courts have, and how predictable it is, is very, very arguable. We know that there are entire species that directly take advantage of the Wheel mechanics to sustain themselves. I find it entirely plausible that intelligent residents of the courts also do.
 
Votes tied.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Sep 25, 2023 at 2:29 AM, finished with 59 posts and 10 votes.
 
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