Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
How does Seeing Is Blindness interact with Molly's AoE charms?
Because as I currently see it, comboing Seeing Is Blindness(2 dots, 6xp) with Source Code Compliance Protocol(1 dot, 4xp) would drive everyone who could hear her voice blind for the scene(+2 DC to all activities involving sight) unless she exempted them from the effect.

Ditto if she combines Seeing Is Blindness with World-Grinding Devastation, in which case they would be both blind and being eaten by demon-insects.
Seeing Is Blindness (••)
The Infernal's attacks trail inky contrails that steal the light from the eyes of her foes.

System: Reflexively spend 1 Essence. For the next (Essence rating) turns, the Infernal's attacks are stained with darkness. If such an attack strikes an opponent, whether or not it inflicts damage, the target is blinded for the rest of the scene: a cloud of liquid darkness spreads across his eyes, and he raises the difficulty of all actions depending on vision by +2.

Signature Effect: Anyone who gazes upon the Infernal while in her Shintai form must make a Willpower roll (difficulty 8) or be struck temporarily blind, as though afflicted by Seeing is Blindness. This roll needs only be made once per transformation. Attempting to target the Infernal with attacks without looking at her raises the difficulty by +1 for close-quarters attacks, +2 at range.
Source Code Compliance Protocol (•)
The Infernal connects herself to the underlying structure which precedes all communication, and then networks those around her into that understanding as well.

System: The Infernal's player rolls Willpower against difficulty 7. Success allows her to speak the language at the heart of all languages for a scene. Anyone who hears her words comprehends them, and finds that any attempt they make to speak in her presence comes out in the same ancient tongue. This enforced comprehension ravages the mind and body, and who hear the Infernal and respond to her suffer one level of bashing damage in the form of bleeding eyes and terrible headaches. The Infernal may spend 1 Essence to spare those she converses with this harm and the associated pain, should she feel magnanimous.
World-Grinding devastation (•••••)
The Infernal spreads her arms, breathes out her corrupted Essence, and draws the Hell of Burrowing Maggots up into the world around her. Her surroundings shiver. The world trembles with seeming desert-shimmer, a heat-haze in the corner of the eye. Then the hideous truth asserts itself: the landscape is moving, writhing, as millions of flesh-hungry maggots chew their way into reality, boiling out of every crease and corner, dripping from ceiling tiles and tree branches, wriggling up from the ground. They even come squirming through gaps in the air itself.

System: The Infernal spends a turn in concentration and spends 2 Essence. For the rest of the scene, or until the Infernal dismisses them back to Hell, everything within (Essence x 30) yards around her swarms and heaves and drips with hungry demon-maggots. Everyone she does not personally exempt from their appetite suffers one level of lethal damage per turn as the maggots swarm and chew and devour. One who seeks to avoid being devoured may do so by bowing before the Infernal and pressing his forehead to the ground: groveling in this fashion offers protection from the maggots while it continues. It also causes anyone who submits in this fashion to raise the difficulty of all ac- tions taken to hinder, oppose, attack, defame, humil- iate, or resist the Infernal by one for a year and a day.

Signature Effect: World-Grinding Devastation may be activated reflexively and only costs 1 Essence while the Infernal wears her Shintai form.
Just asking, because that sounds like a "fuck you and your army" effect, to be pulled off when someone ambushes you with an overpowering number of enemies.

If you are doing damage it seems clear to me that should count as an attack so yeah Seeing is Blindness should trigger
 
Source Code Compliance Protocol (•)
The Infernal connects herself to the underlying structure which precedes all communication, and then networks those around her into that understanding as well.

System: The Infernal's player rolls Willpower against difficulty 7. Success allows her to speak the language at the heart of all languages for a scene. Anyone who hears her words comprehends them, and finds that any attempt they make to speak in her presence comes out in the same ancient tongue. This enforced comprehension ravages the mind and body, and who hear the Infernal and respond to her suffer one level of bashing damage in the form of bleeding eyes and terrible headaches. The Infernal may spend 1 Essence to spare those she converses with this harm and the associated pain, should she feel magnanimous.
That one only deals damage if people respond to Molly by the way.
Still very effective, but enemies can be instructed to shut up and they won't suffer any damage.
 
Still work.
She needs to have a dedicated action spending time with them, not making things for them. Both for her mental health, and theirs. Christmas gifts she can go shopping in the Brass Courts one afternoon.
We have inherently different, probably irreconcilable views on what is and isn't relaxation.
 
That one only deals damage if people respond to Molly by the way.
Still very effective, but enemies can be instructed to shut up and they won't suffer any damage.
We are talking about enemies who can pass a self-control roll against a social Exalt.
Wont shut down any bosses, and might not even cripple some minibosses.
But the minions? Down.

Like back when we fought the Will of Kakuri and had to deal with lesser akuma providing fire support.
Fire up a taunt, they reply, and suddenly they are all blind.
Anyone who has learned Blind Fighting, or has other senses, is probably good, though.
We have inherently different, probably irreconcilable views on what is and isn't relaxation.
Its not just relaxation, its family and friends time.
Family time is spending time with the family.
Being in a workshop making things for them is not family time.

The dude who took overtime on his kids birthday to afford the birthday party probably does love his kid.
But he didnt spend time with them.
And at a point, time >>> stuff.
 
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Its not just relaxation, its family and friends time.
Family time is spending time with the family.
Being in a workshop making things for them is not family time.

The dude who took overtime on his kids birthday to afford the birthday party probably does love his kid.
But he didnt spend time with them.
And at a point, time >>> stuff.
It's attention that matters, not stuff itself. Using our powers for something non-confrontational and even fun. When was the last time Molly used her abilities for something fun?

As to spending time with our close ones - we do. It's just not depicted. We are still living with our family, and have rebuilt our relationship with them. We interact, probably even hang out with our friends.
 
It's attention that matters, not stuff itself. Using our powers for something non-confrontational and even fun. When was the last time Molly used her abilities for something fun?

As to spending time with our close ones - we do. It's just not depicted. We are still living with our family, and have rebuilt our relationship with them. We interact, probably even hang out with our friends.
Attention, yes.
Spending that time doing stuff for someone is not attending to them.
If we spend the next month building someone a computer, or a house, it may be for them, but we arent spending time with them.

Fun is personal time. Sometimes also friend time. Not necessarily family time.

Not really. We explicitly had an option for taking family time to hang out with family and siblings for several turns. We havent taken it.
And there is a Family Time category of potential actions.
Its separate from the making stuff category for a reason.

My two cents.

Current tally:
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Sep 8, 2023 at 5:21 PM, finished with 43 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Use Rendered Villain Dispersal, fast and safe, but the more you use it the more likely someone is to guess something like this exists
    -[X] Bring along a water bottle of bleach in our backpack, along with whatever other essentials we decide to carry, such as holy water and potions.
    [X] Take the Ways, Broken Seeker knows them well
    [X] Use Rendered Villain Dispersal, fast and safe, but the more you use it the more likely someone is to guess something like this exists
 
so @DragonParadox I was curious do you have any uh informationals ready for or in your mind about our hell that their preparing for us? Like economics, important organizations, important people, weapons, services, problems, etc etc?
 
so guys what books should we prepare for our people in hell? On top of whatever the wizards going into our hell are going to teach and provide to them? I think world history, american history, supernatural species books, Laws for the u.s. and european countries, the laws of magic, the accords, a book about modern languages, uh honestly if we can get the books for a standard education from elementary school to college and just hand that out to them sounds like a good idea right?
 
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The practical objections are simple:
We want to minimize the amount of time we spend using Infernal powers under his scrutiny. Because he'll be looking.
My worry is more that Molly has to spend essanse on every social interaction with him and we are about to go into a fight. Better if we can have a full tank.
 
[X] Use Rendered Villain Dispersal, fast and safe, but the more you use it the more likely someone is to guess something like this exists
-[X] Bring along a water bottle of bleach in our backpack, along with whatever other essentials we decide to carry, such as holy water and potions.
 
I know we have basically the internet in our hell offhand how old is the internet in our hell? I'm wondering if we have basically hundred year old streamers.
 
[X] Use Rendered Villain Dispersal, fast and safe, but the more you use it the more likely someone is to guess something like this exists
-[X] Bring along a water bottle of bleach in our backpack, along with whatever other essentials we decide to carry, such as holy water and potions.


I have to ask - how was Peabody discovered in canon?
I don't recall what tipped Dresden off, I think it might have been something that came up when he was investing Madeline Raith.

He proved it by getting them to search the guy's room. Apparently the stuff he uses is trivial to identify if you're holding the bottle and he just leaves it lying out where you can find it in a few minutes of searching.
If we get CCoP, one of the actions I have planned is making Christmas gifts for everyone. I even have ideas. We definitely will be having a big Christmas celebration to make up for missing birthdays.
Are you thinking actually useful stuff, or things that are as much about having fun as the advantages involved?

High level prodigies are kind of a headache, but the low level ones could entertaining for silly gifts. Making them mortal approved involves a cost bump, but we can still make it work for very low level stuff or by adding detrimental conditions to their use.

Lydia: A pair of stiletto heels that have better stability and protection than high grade boots. I haven't forgotten her giving us shit about being a magical girl, the natural retaliation is to make her best footwear for a fight into Hollywood grade combat heels. :V

Izzy & Alec: Groucho Marx glasses that disguise the wearer's identity, but always in some way the user would find embarrassing.

Daniel: An unfolding shield like Molly's enchanted to always be at hand when he need it (surprisingly this is a one dot effect).

Matthew: Glasses that make it easier to read Japanese, but flash menacingly when he pushes them up. Because weeb.

Leech: Improbably Useful multi-tool (difficulty reducer for the physical crafting part of her robotics thing. Enchantment only functions if she whistles while she works.

Amanda, Hope, & Harry: FCF themed blaster toys that shoot sparkly looking (but entirely safe) beams.

Micheal: Grilling shoes that act as better than high grade boots. So he can take his dad energy with him when fighting Denarians.

Charity: An incredibly mundane looking hammer that is always in reach when she needs it.
 
to fuck with harry we could just get him a gold bar or something. A lot of harrys stuff would be helped if he didn't have financial issues. I'd like to give him a safe but super realistic light saber. But, we've already had this discussion.
 
The less we have to speak to BS the better. I don't want Molly burning through essence just to talk with him before we ambush the Reds.

[X] Use Rendered Villain Dispersal, fast and safe, but the more you use it the more likely someone is to guess something like this exists
-[X] Bring along a water bottle of bleach in our backpack, along with whatever other essentials we decide to carry, such as holy water and potions.
 
My worry is more that Molly has to spend essanse on every social interaction with him and we are about to go into a fight. Better if we can have a full tank.
Fair enough.
I don't recall what tipped Dresden off, I think it might have been something that came up when he was investing Madeline Raith.

He proved it by getting them to search the guy's room. Apparently the stuff he uses is trivial to identify if you're holding the bottle and he just leaves it lying out where you can find it in a few minutes of searching.
I have to ask - how was Peabody discovered in canon?
He lured him out.
Long explanation below:

After he discovered that Madeline Raith was working for the baddies and had already called the White Council with an anonymous tip, he called the White Council switchboard himself, declared that he had been sheltering Donald Morgan for several days, and that he had definitive evidence that Morgan was innocent via an informant, and they could come get him if they wanted on Demonreach.

Demonreach being what it is, there is no direct Way that ends up on the island.
So anyone coming there from Edinburgh has to pass through Chicago.

His bet being that the traitor at Edinburgh couldnt afford to ignore such a declaration.
Even if the traitor thought he'd covered all his tracks, he would have to check. Before the White Council could get to Morgan and get him back to Edinburgh.

So Dresden arranged for multiple factions to show up at the same time
  • Three Senior Council members + a Warden high threat team,
  • A White Court vampire assault team looking to rescue Thomas, and to capture/kill Madeline Raith if she shows up
  • Madeline Raith and Binder looking to capture/kill Morgan
  • The naagloshii looking to exchange Thomas for Morgan
  • Peabody and an unknown second person showed up a little after the White Council and Whampires, with NeverNever spiderfae summons

Fight breaks out.

The naagloshii showing up distracts Dresden for most of the festivities, so he never sees or identities Peabody or the second person, who get away clean.And the White Council team never gets close enough to see the perps. The Senior Council can confirm that two attackers showing up is definitive that traitors exist, but it doesnt clear Morgan of the murder.

But as backup Dresden had a mortal PI camping the exit on the fastest Way from Edinburgh to Chicago with a telephoto lens camera to take pictures of anyone who used it that evening.
And Mouse as a credible supernatural witness who could recognize anyone who used the Way.

So the PI photographed the Senior Council members and the Wardens, who were supposed to be there.
AND Peabody, who wasnt supposed to be there. Then Dresden showed the photographs and his explanation to McCoy, and brought Mouse as a witness to the Council assembly/trial.

The photos provided probable cause for McCoy and Ramirez to search Peabody's quarters and turn up physical evidence.
Which in combination with Mouse's identification as a foo dog by Ancient Mai, makes it definitive.
Then Peabody unleashes a mistfiend, which Dresden later calls an Outsider, as a distraction and makes a run for it.
 
[X] Use Rendered Villain Dispersal, fast and safe, but the more you use it the more likely someone is to guess something like this exists
-[X] Bring along a water bottle of bleach in our backpack, along with whatever other essentials we decide to carry, such as holy water and potions.
 
After he discovered that Madeline Raith was working for the baddies and had already called the White Council with an anonymous tip
Looking into her death in the quest might give us an actual link to Peabody's business.

It seems unlikely that she'd be in as deep with the black council as Madeline was if her association was new at the time of Morgan's framing.

If we find something tangible we can work out acquiring or fabricating copies of real evidence and have Dresden present it as something he uncovered as an incidental result of investigating the major Outsider activity Molly stumbled into.

He can claim he got critical starting data points from us, like which people were actually working with Outsiders, without it seeming more strange than anything else.
 
[X] Use Rendered Villain Dispersal, fast and safe, but the more you use it the more likely someone is to guess something like this exists
-[X] Bring along a water bottle of bleach in our backpack, along with whatever other essentials we decide to carry, such as holy water and potions.
 
Offhand I know we don't really see any in Dresden files and they're hard to get for anything we have. But, who do you think we'd need to bargain with to get like something similar to a bag of holding? I'm basically any capacity? Maybe Odin or actually Santa if anyone could make one it'd be the guy who holds all the gifts for the children and is a magical god. Cause while not world shattering something like that is definitely worth some level of bargaining.
 
Offhand I know we don't really see any in Dresden files and they're hard to get for anything we have. But, who do you think we'd need to bargain with to get like something similar to a bag of holding? I'm basically any capacity? Maybe Odin or actually Santa if anyone could make one it'd be the guy who holds all the gifts for the children and is a magical god. Cause while not world shattering something like that is definitely worth some level of bargaining.
I could see a bag that is deeply connected to a place in the never-never to the point that the connection maintains even if you move the bag. That seems like the most likely way for a DF wizard to manage because I don't think we ever really see any space bending magic at all.

So Santa might have a bag connected to his workshop.

We should be able to manage something like that connecting to our kingdom once we get the magic item crafting charm. I would actually expect it to be easy because we have already managed the hard part of having a magical kingdom that we are deeply connected to.
 
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